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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
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don't even try to figure out permeation's unh can't fight itself through a wet paper bag.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Before all you wildcat fans go jump off a bridge after being swept by UVM - you should understand that UVM has been dominant in puck possession, shots, and scoring chances in the majority of it's losses this season. where they have failed is in goaltending despite the reasonable save % - lots of nice saves, not enough of the routine with way too many soft goals that killed the HE record. I have not seen much of UML yet but watched them tonight and UVM is far superior to what I saw from UML tonight except in net. BC scares me though. Would somebody please put a body on Gaudrea.....
Good luck the rest of the way, UVM needs your PWR help to stay inside the bubble!!!!
Before all you wildcat fans go jump off a bridge after being swept by UVM - you should understand that UVM has been dominant in puck possession, shots, and scoring chances in the majority of it's losses this season. where they have failed is in goaltending despite the reasonable save % - lots of nice saves, not enough of the routine with way too many soft goals that killed the HE record. I have not seen much of UML yet but watched them tonight and UVM is far superior to what I saw from UML tonight except in net. BC scares me though. Would somebody please put a body on Gaudrea.....
Good luck the rest of the way, UVM needs your PWR help to stay inside the bubble!!!!
HockeyRef
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Puck possession was key tonight I thought was impressed with UVM's game all weekend. Good luck as well...As per BC be afraid...be very afraid!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Well, here's the scenario:
#4 (T)UNH has 16 points with four games left. Win all four (LOL
) UNH finishes with 24 points.
#1 BC - Currently with 27 points with one game in-hand on UNH. As MC Hammer once said, "can't touch this".
#2 UML - 20 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Doubtful that they will collapse and lose four out of the five remaining games. Even if UNH wins all four and UML only wins two, they win the head-to-head scenario.
#3 NU - 17 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Only if all of the stars are in alignment and they collapse too.
#4(T) Maine - 16 points, but three games in-hand on UNH. Not getting a warm and fuzzy here.
#6 PC - 15 points, and two games in-hand on UNH. See above.
#7 UVM - 14 points (thanks UNH for the 4 this weekend!!), and two games in hand on UNH. UNH loses any tie-breaker here obviously.
So....while UNH is not quite eliminated mathematically from home ice (need to be in the top 5), the numbers I'm afraid to say are against them.
And I honestly do not think that UNH is going to win all four of their remaining games. I hope that I am wrong.
Well, here's the scenario:
#4 (T)UNH has 16 points with four games left. Win all four (LOL
) UNH finishes with 24 points.#1 BC - Currently with 27 points with one game in-hand on UNH. As MC Hammer once said, "can't touch this".
#2 UML - 20 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Doubtful that they will collapse and lose four out of the five remaining games. Even if UNH wins all four and UML only wins two, they win the head-to-head scenario.
#3 NU - 17 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Only if all of the stars are in alignment and they collapse too.
#4(T) Maine - 16 points, but three games in-hand on UNH. Not getting a warm and fuzzy here.
#6 PC - 15 points, and two games in-hand on UNH. See above.
#7 UVM - 14 points (thanks UNH for the 4 this weekend!!), and two games in hand on UNH. UNH loses any tie-breaker here obviously.
So....while UNH is not quite eliminated mathematically from home ice (need to be in the top 5), the numbers I'm afraid to say are against them.
And I honestly do not think that UNH is going to win all four of their remaining games. I hope that I am wrong.
HockeyRef
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Well, here's the scenario:
#4 (T)UNH has 16 points with four games left. Win all four (LOL
#1 BC - Currently with 27 points with one game in-hand on UNH. As MC Hammer once said, "can't touch this".
#2 UML - 20 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Doubtful that they will collapse and lose four out of the five remaining games. Even if UNH wins all four and UML only wins two, they win the head-to-head scenario.
#3 NU - 17 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Only if all of the stars are in alignment and they collapse too.
#4(T) Maine - 16 points, but three games in-hand on UNH. Not getting a warm and fuzzy here.
#6 PC - 15 points, and two games in-hand on UNH. See above.
#7 UVM - 14 points (thanks UNH for the 4 this weekend!!), and two games in hand on UNH. UNH loses any tie-breaker here obviously.
So....while UNH is not quite eliminated mathematically from home ice (need to be in the top 5), the numbers I'm afraid to say are against them.
And I honestly do not think that UNH is going to win all four of their remaining games. I hope that I am wrong.
Thanks Scott that's what I wanted to know have a good night all!
blackbearbone
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Tough series for you guys this weekend. UVM is tougher than they appear.
Your upcoming opponents are atrocious, so you haven't completely lost hope. Maine has a tougher road to hoe.
Tough series for you guys this weekend. UVM is tougher than they appear.
Your upcoming opponents are atrocious, so you haven't completely lost hope. Maine has a tougher road to hoe.
Josh's team tied for 26th in PWR with 33 points, 2 points behind UNH, tied for 23rd.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Good point.
Except for Lowell having the better team offense, team defense, save percentage, power play, and record, UVM is FAR superior.
Why even make the trek to Burlington on the final weekend of the season? Surely the dominance of a team that's .500 in league will shatter the confidence of a team that has four loses since Oct 25. and ruin them for the Hockey East playoffs. We'll just ignore the fact that Lowell is 4-1-1 against Vermont in the Bazin era and swept the Catamounts in Burlington just last season and concede the season series now, since Lowell didn't impress you enough in the one game you've seen them.
Dope.
Good point.
Except for Lowell having the better team offense, team defense, save percentage, power play, and record, UVM is FAR superior.
Why even make the trek to Burlington on the final weekend of the season? Surely the dominance of a team that's .500 in league will shatter the confidence of a team that has four loses since Oct 25. and ruin them for the Hockey East playoffs. We'll just ignore the fact that Lowell is 4-1-1 against Vermont in the Bazin era and swept the Catamounts in Burlington just last season and concede the season series now, since Lowell didn't impress you enough in the one game you've seen them.
Dope.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Like Scott basically said... the situation does not look good to say the least. Basically UNH needs to win the reaming 4 games and I'm afraid with the inconsistent play they have shown all year that is a tough thing to ask for. BU is always a tough opponent for UNH too. Say they find a way to win out. They will finish with 24 points.
Above us:
Northeastern has: 1 @Mass, 2 vs Maine, H&H with BU. Say they finish 3-2... they finish with 23 points.
Tied:
Maine has: 2 vs MC, 2 @ NU, 2 vs PC. Say they finish 3-3 (or 3-2-1)... they finish with 22(or 23) points
Below us:
Providence has: 2 vs. ND, H&H with Mass, and 2 at Maine. Say they go 4-2 over their last six... they finish with 23 points.
Vermont has: 2 vs BC, 2 @ MC, 2 vs. Lowell. Say they go 4-2 over their last six... they finish with 22 points.
I think most people would agree BC and Lowell are pretty well out of the picture....
So UNH needs two of those scenarios to play out in order to get a bye (top 5) and three scenarios to play out to get home ice (top 4).
This is a possible scenario I'm looking at to get home ice....
Vermont can win both against MC and split in the their two other series(BC, Lowell)(or get swept in one). End w/ 22 points
Providence can win both against UMass but then needs to split the other two series (ND&ME). End w/ 23 points
Maine can with both against MC, then get swept by NU, and split with PC. End w/ 22 points
(I apologize to Merrimack. No offense that I have you losing your last six games in my scenario. If you could get a win against Maine and or Vermont that'd be cool.)
Now that is some glass half full kind of stuff right there. Trust me I'm not senile and I know how the annual story goes for UNH. But as Scott said, were not eliminated mathematically and I'm just running through a possible scenario of how things "could" end. Now if UNH plans on finishing with anything less than 24 points then they will need some real magic from other teams in order to get a bye or home ice. I'm not going to even bother trying to plan out that situation. It's prob. still possible but highly unlikely/not a chance UNH would get home ice with less than 24 points(even w/ 24 points it's going to be a stretch). Stating the obvious... the easiest way to get home ice is for UNH to win their last 4 games and get some help else where. Yes, a lot of things need to align/ fall into place but not completely out of the question. Now for reality... I Personally think I just wasted like 30 minutes of my life because UNH will prob go 2-2 over this stretch,finish in 7th, and make all other scenarios(& this post) essentially useless/insignificant. Life of a UNH fan...
Anyway..these scenarios are getting harder and harder to do after every game lost... and it's a shame that UNH not only has to go out and win their last 4 game (highly unlikely IMO as I said) but also need a lot of help/ luck from other teams and how they finish down the stretch. This weekend was just demoralizing. Nothing against Vermont because they're a good team, but to come away from this weekend with nothing is horrible. And at HOME! Makes it inexcusable....
Well, here's the scenario:
#4 (T)UNH has 16 points with four games left. Win all four (LOL
#1 BC - Currently with 27 points with one game in-hand on UNH. As MC Hammer once said, "can't touch this".
#2 UML - 20 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Doubtful that they will collapse and lose four out of the five remaining games. Even if UNH wins all four and UML only wins two, they win the head-to-head scenario.
#3 NU - 17 points with one game in-hand on UNH. Only if all of the stars are in alignment and they collapse too.
#4(T) Maine - 16 points, but three games in-hand on UNH. Not getting a warm and fuzzy here.
#6 PC - 15 points, and two games in-hand on UNH. See above.
#7 UVM - 14 points (thanks UNH for the 4 this weekend!!), and two games in hand on UNH. UNH loses any tie-breaker here obviously.
So....while UNH is not quite eliminated mathematically from home ice (need to be in the top 5), the numbers I'm afraid to say are against them.
And I honestly do not think that UNH is going to win all four of their remaining games. I hope that I am wrong.
Like Scott basically said... the situation does not look good to say the least. Basically UNH needs to win the reaming 4 games and I'm afraid with the inconsistent play they have shown all year that is a tough thing to ask for. BU is always a tough opponent for UNH too. Say they find a way to win out. They will finish with 24 points.
Above us:
Northeastern has: 1 @Mass, 2 vs Maine, H&H with BU. Say they finish 3-2... they finish with 23 points.
Tied:
Maine has: 2 vs MC, 2 @ NU, 2 vs PC. Say they finish 3-3 (or 3-2-1)... they finish with 22(or 23) points
Below us:
Providence has: 2 vs. ND, H&H with Mass, and 2 at Maine. Say they go 4-2 over their last six... they finish with 23 points.
Vermont has: 2 vs BC, 2 @ MC, 2 vs. Lowell. Say they go 4-2 over their last six... they finish with 22 points.
I think most people would agree BC and Lowell are pretty well out of the picture....
So UNH needs two of those scenarios to play out in order to get a bye (top 5) and three scenarios to play out to get home ice (top 4).
This is a possible scenario I'm looking at to get home ice....
Vermont can win both against MC and split in the their two other series(BC, Lowell)(or get swept in one). End w/ 22 points
Providence can win both against UMass but then needs to split the other two series (ND&ME). End w/ 23 points
Maine can with both against MC, then get swept by NU, and split with PC. End w/ 22 points
(I apologize to Merrimack. No offense that I have you losing your last six games in my scenario. If you could get a win against Maine and or Vermont that'd be cool.)
Now that is some glass half full kind of stuff right there. Trust me I'm not senile and I know how the annual story goes for UNH. But as Scott said, were not eliminated mathematically and I'm just running through a possible scenario of how things "could" end. Now if UNH plans on finishing with anything less than 24 points then they will need some real magic from other teams in order to get a bye or home ice. I'm not going to even bother trying to plan out that situation. It's prob. still possible but highly unlikely/not a chance UNH would get home ice with less than 24 points(even w/ 24 points it's going to be a stretch). Stating the obvious... the easiest way to get home ice is for UNH to win their last 4 games and get some help else where. Yes, a lot of things need to align/ fall into place but not completely out of the question. Now for reality... I Personally think I just wasted like 30 minutes of my life because UNH will prob go 2-2 over this stretch,finish in 7th, and make all other scenarios(& this post) essentially useless/insignificant. Life of a UNH fan...
Anyway..these scenarios are getting harder and harder to do after every game lost... and it's a shame that UNH not only has to go out and win their last 4 game (highly unlikely IMO as I said) but also need a lot of help/ luck from other teams and how they finish down the stretch. This weekend was just demoralizing. Nothing against Vermont because they're a good team, but to come away from this weekend with nothing is horrible. And at HOME! Makes it inexcusable....
Carmine Scarpaglia
My bad.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Jesus did the page for February stick to the January page when Umile turned his calendar this month?
Jesus did the page for February stick to the January page when Umile turned his calendar this month?
come on lol, hmmmmm, revert back to last year. How well in position was unh last year only to completely loose out on home ice.Same coach just one year older..No excuse.....
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
As others have said, this is just an average team in a tough league - likable, but average. Nothing comes easy, no ability for late game dramatics. No matter where they land in the stack at the end of the regular season, all that's left after this weekend is the hard way.
As others have said, this is just an average team in a tough league - likable, but average. Nothing comes easy, no ability for late game dramatics. No matter where they land in the stack at the end of the regular season, all that's left after this weekend is the hard way.
I agree about Hockey East being a tough league; six teams in top 16 PWR, although Maine would get bumped by the AHA auto seed. I do not think even winning out will move them up much from their tie for 23rd with DU in the PWR. So, the Cats will need to take two of three probably not on home ice and then win at least one game at the Garden to move up to 15th in PWR. But, more likely they will need to win the Hockey East tournament for the auto seed to the NCAAs, although ironically doing so would likely bump them them up to 12th and a third seed in a regional. Quite the opposite to last year, when UNH had a much higher PWR from their better OOC record. So, I think that realistically we are looking from the outside at the NCAAs for the second time in three years.
Greg Ambrose
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Last night after the game my friends and I had probably the earliest season ending post mortem in recent memory. The way UNH played this weekend was downright depressing. We all know that they are not very talented but, based on last weekend's sweep, I thought the team had come to recognize that they would at least play with the defensive intensity that they showed against Notre Dame. In my book it really doesn't take a huge amount of talent to be a good defensive forward. What it takes is the willingness to put yourself in the middle of the ice, the willingness to take the body when necessary, and the willingness to have the stick down on the ice to deflect and intercept passes. But that is all predicated on skating, isn't it? The drive to bust your gut, get back there and prevent scoring chances. Sadly, very sadly, that was all missing from UNH's game the last two nights. I don't want to minimize UVM's effort in both games but all have to agree that UNH made their job a lot easier.
So the season is pretty much a loss, kind of like two years ago. Except for Pesce and TVR (if he comes back) there isn't any high end talent on this team. My favorite forward the past few weeks has been Willows. He has been skating hard and been opportunistic. Any coach would love to have him. But last night post-game we were discussing where he would be slotted on UNH teams of old. I am not talking Mowers/Krog era of the late '90's but 11 years ago, the last time UNH made the FF. That team had Gare, Hemingway, Collins, Saviano so, at best Willows would have been a third line center. This, as I see it, is how far UNH has fallen. Sure, in the last five years, with Butler and Thompson, they had some go to guys but UNH still did not have any depth. Now we have zilch.
So what do we see going forward? Obviously we are stuck with the forwards we have. The question for me is how good the incoming group is (CHC?). I see and hear that we have at least two forwards coming in who are top 100 North American on the NHL Central Scouting Bureau list. That means to me that they might be drafted anywhere from the 3rd to 6th round. Not an equal to some of BC's recruits but certainly better than what UNH has brought in in the recent past. I guess what I want to see next year is that these kids come in, get some real ice time, and show improvement as the year goes on. If the progress is as flat line as this year's freshman class then I think it will be time for a change. No, Umile won't be let go but how about the assistants? They're the ones who are the talent evaluators. I know it's a tough business but there comes a point where we can all see that the program has become a pale imitation of what it has been and, as a result, someone should be held accountable. Question is, who is going to have the stones to make (demand) the change?
BTW, I want everybody to know how depressing it is for the this 40+ year fan of the Wildcats to sit here on February 8, a month before the regular season ends, and type this post. But what alternative is there? If the team has quit, which it did this weekend, why should I not do the same?
Last night after the game my friends and I had probably the earliest season ending post mortem in recent memory. The way UNH played this weekend was downright depressing. We all know that they are not very talented but, based on last weekend's sweep, I thought the team had come to recognize that they would at least play with the defensive intensity that they showed against Notre Dame. In my book it really doesn't take a huge amount of talent to be a good defensive forward. What it takes is the willingness to put yourself in the middle of the ice, the willingness to take the body when necessary, and the willingness to have the stick down on the ice to deflect and intercept passes. But that is all predicated on skating, isn't it? The drive to bust your gut, get back there and prevent scoring chances. Sadly, very sadly, that was all missing from UNH's game the last two nights. I don't want to minimize UVM's effort in both games but all have to agree that UNH made their job a lot easier.
So the season is pretty much a loss, kind of like two years ago. Except for Pesce and TVR (if he comes back) there isn't any high end talent on this team. My favorite forward the past few weeks has been Willows. He has been skating hard and been opportunistic. Any coach would love to have him. But last night post-game we were discussing where he would be slotted on UNH teams of old. I am not talking Mowers/Krog era of the late '90's but 11 years ago, the last time UNH made the FF. That team had Gare, Hemingway, Collins, Saviano so, at best Willows would have been a third line center. This, as I see it, is how far UNH has fallen. Sure, in the last five years, with Butler and Thompson, they had some go to guys but UNH still did not have any depth. Now we have zilch.
So what do we see going forward? Obviously we are stuck with the forwards we have. The question for me is how good the incoming group is (CHC?). I see and hear that we have at least two forwards coming in who are top 100 North American on the NHL Central Scouting Bureau list. That means to me that they might be drafted anywhere from the 3rd to 6th round. Not an equal to some of BC's recruits but certainly better than what UNH has brought in in the recent past. I guess what I want to see next year is that these kids come in, get some real ice time, and show improvement as the year goes on. If the progress is as flat line as this year's freshman class then I think it will be time for a change. No, Umile won't be let go but how about the assistants? They're the ones who are the talent evaluators. I know it's a tough business but there comes a point where we can all see that the program has become a pale imitation of what it has been and, as a result, someone should be held accountable. Question is, who is going to have the stones to make (demand) the change?
BTW, I want everybody to know how depressing it is for the this 40+ year fan of the Wildcats to sit here on February 8, a month before the regular season ends, and type this post. But what alternative is there? If the team has quit, which it did this weekend, why should I not do the same?
your not alone, I gave up also.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Ummm....okay? Is that supposed to discredit the arguments he was making?
The foreign language requirement issue was brought up earlier in the thread and somebody dismissed it as trivial. I thought it was relevant, seeing as Ciocco had previously addressed that very argument in detail.
Ummm....okay? Is that supposed to discredit the arguments he was making?
The foreign language requirement issue was brought up earlier in the thread and somebody dismissed it as trivial. I thought it was relevant, seeing as Ciocco had previously addressed that very argument in detail.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread (Part 2)
Ryan, I gotta laugh ... I love the effort and in-depth analysis of what needs to happen to get UNH back with home ice and a play-in round bye. But from early on, I was thinking exactly the part of your post I highlighted in RED towards the end, and was almost relieved and reassured of your sanity when I saw you finally add it in.
unh1982 and Greg - I'm unfortunately of the same mind. I can (and have) tolerated and *suffered* through a lot of disappointments with the teams and the program over the years. But I cannot tolerate a simple baseline lack of effort. In a way, I was glad Coach did not hide his displeasure with Friday night's effort, as he has sometimes had a tendency to cover for some past poor efforts. There are some players out there who are still putting out max effort ... but there are a notable number who clearly got amnesia about just how they swept the previous series, and came up FAR short of the necessary commitment.
Let's face it ... this is a dyed-in-the-wool .500 team. They are a .500 team at home. They are a .500 team away from home. They were a .500 team before the December break, and they're basically a .500 team since. They are a .500 team with TvR, and they're a .500 team without TvR. And with BU next up on the schedule - regardless of their record - there's a very good chance the 'Cats will be playing .500 hockey for the next two weekends.
Then they will host a play-in game against UMass or BU or Merrimack, and they will win. Some of us will get psyched, figure this is the big turnaround, and then they will win one of the first two games in the Quarters, teasing us about the trip to Boston. But just as sure as water finds its level, UNH will do so again, lose "valiantly" and then they will fittingly finish their postseason at .500 too.
Ryan, I gotta laugh ... I love the effort and in-depth analysis of what needs to happen to get UNH back with home ice and a play-in round bye. But from early on, I was thinking exactly the part of your post I highlighted in RED towards the end, and was almost relieved and reassured of your sanity when I saw you finally add it in.
unh1982 and Greg - I'm unfortunately of the same mind. I can (and have) tolerated and *suffered* through a lot of disappointments with the teams and the program over the years. But I cannot tolerate a simple baseline lack of effort. In a way, I was glad Coach did not hide his displeasure with Friday night's effort, as he has sometimes had a tendency to cover for some past poor efforts. There are some players out there who are still putting out max effort ... but there are a notable number who clearly got amnesia about just how they swept the previous series, and came up FAR short of the necessary commitment.
Let's face it ... this is a dyed-in-the-wool .500 team. They are a .500 team at home. They are a .500 team away from home. They were a .500 team before the December break, and they're basically a .500 team since. They are a .500 team with TvR, and they're a .500 team without TvR. And with BU next up on the schedule - regardless of their record - there's a very good chance the 'Cats will be playing .500 hockey for the next two weekends.
Then they will host a play-in game against UMass or BU or Merrimack, and they will win. Some of us will get psyched, figure this is the big turnaround, and then they will win one of the first two games in the Quarters, teasing us about the trip to Boston. But just as sure as water finds its level, UNH will do so again, lose "valiantly" and then they will fittingly finish their postseason at .500 too.
No, I did not mean to imply anything negative about AA, as they are having their best season in a long time, and perhaps Josh is in part responsible for that. His job is recruiting in probably the toughest environment in Div 1. I think that UNH blew it by not making him an assistant last year.
As for language requirements, Bentley has benefitted with three players from BC and three from Alberta this season (having the 2012 Walter Brown Award winner from St Louis and the highest scoring D-man this year in Div 1 from Los Angeles has not hurt either). Anyone remember Joey Juneau, who could not speak any English on his arrival at RPI, where he earned BS and MS degrees in aeronautical engineering in his four years of a stellar collegiate hockey career before playing for the Bruins? I agree with Josh that a two-year language requirement is absurd, even if it seems like an easily reachable task for Div. 1 recruits.
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