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UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

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I've been lurking a bit and thought I'd chime in. For those of you who don't know me, I'm the band director.

If we're looking to make a change, I'd volunteer the band to head up the cheering at the games. That would get the voices up above and behind the students, so more people would be able to hear it, plus it would truly be student-led. I've wanted them to be more active leading cheers, but I think there's been a concern about stepping on toes and "tradition." If the torch were officially passed, then that would solve the problem.

If you guys were on board with this, I would probably have designated cheer captains (for lack of a better term) within the band who know what cheers are done when and why, and who are already big hockey fans. Actually, some of the cheers even started with the marching band "back in the day." Heck, I was told a friend of mine who graduated in the 80s started the "Gimme a U!" cheer.

I think having "plants" in the crowd would help as well, especially early in the season. I was even thinking of producing a CD or website of some of the cheers and fight songs to distribute to new students so they can learn them in advance. That may be a little too dorky, but I'm brainstorming here.

I got so frustrated last weekend seeing Cornell's and RIT's fans, because I don't know what we can do to get that level of participation. As someone else mentioned, they weren't just their students! Yes, getting more people to the road games would help, but even at home we can't get everyone to chant "U-N-H!" together, let alone clap in different directions or perform cheers with more than 3 syllables.

I think there is also a coolness factor in the student section that they need to get over. The hosers, etc. do all sorts of things that would look great if everyone did them together, but the students seem to think either a) "that's THEIR thing, I'm not allowed to join in," or b) "People might look at me funny if I join in." That's where I think having the plants will help. If they start to see other people doing it, they may realize it's okay to do it too. Peer pressure! At least I hope so. Or maybe our students only want to participate when the word "suck" or worse is used. If that's the case, then I give up.

Anyway, I want to make the band part of the solution. A lot of the game traditions exist without the band because we weren't coming to all the games in the past, or because we were across the ice. But that all changed four years ago. We're here to stay, so put us to work!
 
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Casey,

When I get home from work tonight I will send along on facebook the ideas I've been kicking around for next year. My goals are big, and collaboration with the band is an essential part of it.

Just a heads up.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

I've been lurking a bit and thought I'd chime in. For those of you who don't know me, I'm the band director.

If we're looking to make a change, I'd volunteer the band to head up the cheering at the games. That would get the voices up above and behind the students, so more people would be able to hear it, plus it would truly be student-led. I've wanted them to be more active leading cheers, but I think there's been a concern about stepping on toes and "tradition." If the torch were officially passed, then that would solve the problem.

If you guys were on board with this, I would probably have designated cheer captains (for lack of a better term) within the band who know what cheers are done when and why, and who are already big hockey fans. Actually, some of the cheers even started with the marching band "back in the day." Heck, I was told a friend of mine who graduated in the 80s started the "Gimme a U!" cheer.

I think having "plants" in the crowd would help as well, especially early in the season. I was even thinking of producing a CD or website of some of the cheers and fight songs to distribute to new students so they can learn them in advance. That may be a little too dorky, but I'm brainstorming here.

I got so frustrated last weekend seeing Cornell's and RIT's fans, because I don't know what we can do to get that level of participation. As someone else mentioned, they weren't just their students! Yes, getting more people to the road games would help, but even at home we can't get everyone to chant "U-N-H!" together, let alone clap in different directions or perform cheers with more than 3 syllables.

I think there is also a coolness factor in the student section that they need to get over. The hosers, etc. do all sorts of things that would look great if everyone did them together, but the students seem to think either a) "that's THEIR thing, I'm not allowed to join in," or b) "People might look at me funny if I join in." That's where I think having the plants will help. If they start to see other people doing it, they may realize it's okay to do it too. Peer pressure! At least I hope so. Or maybe our students only want to participate when the word "suck" or worse is used. If that's the case, then I give up.

Anyway, I want to make the band part of the solution. A lot of the game traditions exist without the band because we weren't coming to all the games in the past, or because we were across the ice. But that all changed four years ago. We're here to stay, so put us to work!

WOW!!!!!!!!

The next trick is getting the cow bell aligned with the band. That may mean giving the cow bell to the band at home games... I don't know.

I was just thinking about plants. Well one guy/girl doing silly things is potentially a freak. But a group is more powerful. Could the RA on floors of freshman be involved? Bring them to the games; introduce them to the culture make big groups of "plants". Potentially use the Ath. Dept. to get them tickets via the RA instead of box office, if the RA is playing nice with our little plan (I feel like I need that cartoon evil character laugh now).

Lastly as much as some students want sucks and b!t&h the adults with kids no can do. So the more it is clean the more the rest of the Whitt can participate. The goal cheer fell off around the arena after the "you suck" was added to just sieve, somehow got to convince the plant that should be out.
 
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thanks to you all for your great ideas....it truly is a shame that the Whitt has grown so sullen....JB is correct that the cowbell should be included....at snively, it always led the fans into motion....thanks to cgoodwin for stepping up with some good ideas...regarding what the Admin. is up to or has for ideas, I think if you talk or involve Amber, she could be an asset......her marketing group was researching the crowds at the women's games to better understand that market segment....maybe she can be helpful....
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

thanks to you all for your great ideas....it truly is a shame that the Whitt has grown so sullen....JB is correct that the cowbell should be included....at snively, it always led the fans into motion....thanks to cgoodwin for stepping up with some good ideas...regarding what the Admin. is up to or has for ideas, I think if you talk or involve Amber, she could be an asset......her marketing group was researching the crowds at the women's games to better understand that market segment....maybe she can be helpful....

Please figure out how to get Amber to connect with Casey Goodwin the band director.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

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Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

Casey, thanks for coming on here to add to the discussion. You all have some excellent ideas, and I like the direction Casey added. I am a student and have been to just about all home AND away games over the past few years. I would take on the reigns of cheer-spreading, but I am graduating in May and I feel like the responsibility needs to go back to the students. I am friends with many of the Hosers and they do a great job with their cheers, but I feel like many of today's students just laugh at them instead of joining in. If it was actual students playing the bell and leading cheers, I think that could go a long way toward getting the entire section more involved. Heck, there is even a facebook group with a few thousand members calling for students to play the bell.
Because no names come to mind, I think taking the bell back to the band could be a good temporary solution and a definite step in the right direction. Eventually, maybe there could be a facebook group or email list run by the band or athletic dept that could find a leader/bell player. This networking could also be used to organize road trips if it works.
 
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I don't think giving control of the cowbell over to the band will solve any problems that the "student section" has. Especially with the students leaving in the 2nd to get drunk or play beer pong...

we've added numerous cheers over the past couple years in order to not have the letters u-n-h shouted throughout the rink a million times. and most of them are classy, not umassy. ;)

the "you suck" was only to be added after sieve during games we played nu for (because they do it to us). casual fans made it so they stick and have thrown around the word tradition because they are too afraid to be the one to change it.

we'd be glad to work together but we aren't the problem with the volume at games.
 
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If it was actual students playing the bell and leading cheers, I think that could go a long way toward getting the entire section more involved. Heck, there is even a facebook group with a few thousand members calling for students to play the bell.
Because no names come to mind, I think taking the bell back to the band could be a good temporary solution and a definite step in the right direction. Eventually, maybe there could be a facebook group or email list run by the band or athletic dept that could find a leader/bell player. This networking could also be used to organize road trips if it works.

never seen the group and have looked numerous times to find it.
 
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10 years ago you didn't need a concentrated effort to get the students riled up. It just happened. the whit was a hard place to play because of the verbal abuse the other team got. All of that started going away early this last decade as soon as the program moved more toward a corporate feel. I remember having jason tapp from BU call a cop on me after a few verbal lashings and the cop was all in my face. At least I got a story out of it - Tapp was a riot.

good times. I don't see college hockey becoming the ****show it once was. Maybe RIT is though...
 
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There must be a way to solve this problem without alienating any of the various "groups" who love UNH hockey. Matt, Darci, and the hosers have contributed countless hours of cheering, both home and away, and are an invaluable asset. The pep band, in its current seating arrangement at the Whit, is also critical.
 
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Oh, she's my contact over there, so I'll get in touch with her.

Miss Goodwin.. Thanks so much for chiming in. I think the band in conjuction with fans can have a great overall impact for those who think they are 'too cool' to cheer.. they'll look like the odd balls at the end of the day- and they won't be having any fun.

I'll admit.. I was there in the Student section vs. BU on day one of the Whit and the first period was odd. I had NO IDEA what we were supposed to do. Even an older friend of mine had to repeatidly shout 'STAND UP' to nearly the entire section. as there were 2 classes FR's and SO's that really had no idea what was expected of them. But we eventually got it.. but at the same time.. many cheers from Snively I'm sure weren't carried over.(it was probably more than a decade that went by where the 'winning team, losing team' cheer went unspoken) And that I think is what it comes down to! This is COLLEGE! You're expected to CHEER! Many want to as well.. But unless those who knows the drill are consistantly leading, and it's coordinated and doing it every game.. it won't be expected.. The Hosers have a couple of moves that could easily be adaptable to the entire student section! Students need to leave the gym, telling their buddies/ girlfriends etc.. what a great time it was. Next thing you know both student section will fill up- making cheers even more fun and creative- and suddenly the meatheads shouting obscenities because there is nothing else going go will either join in or find somewhere else to be annoying. Most likely, it won't be inside the Whit.

Re: Tourney games.. well.. i don't know that there is a great solution.. but it would be great if there was a way to find the $ and get Students there. And if it's important enough to everyone, students, players, coaches, faculty and Admin as well as Alum.. it'll happen.

thanks again for speaking up!
 
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In all honesty, my feeling is that the Hosers lead cheers because no one else does. When other people start a UNH cheer, or something, we try to join in, and keep the cheer going (and we try to drown out the vulgar/dumb cheers that crop up (the 3-beat "BC SUCKS" comes to mind)). If the band wants to start more cheers, I say go for it, we will cheer along. (One request - more of "In Heaven There is no Beer"! 1st and 3rd periods, maybe? :) )

I am friends with many of the Hosers and they do a great job with their cheers, but I feel like many of today's students just laugh at them instead of joining in.
These problems predate your matriculation at UNH. I remember games back in '03 or '04, before I even played the bell part-time, when I'd be visiting friends on the concourse between periods, and wouldn't make it back to my seat before puck drop. I'd be coming down the stairs during Go Fight Win, and there'd be no one clapping until I got down close to the glass. The fans at home games have been apathetic for years, and since well before the Hosers were even sitting together.

If it was actual students playing the bell and leading cheers, I think that could go a long way toward getting the entire section more involved. Heck, there is even a facebook group with a few thousand members calling for students to play the bell.
And yet, NO ONE has ever said anything to my face. They whine behind my back, in a facebook group I've never even seen, and not one of them has ever wandered down to the front row? It's not like I'm hard to find - I sit in the same ****ing seat each and every week.

It would be great to see a group of students wanting to take our place, but the fact is, I feel like I rarely see the same groups of fans at games, outside of the people I know. Even those body-painted guys can't be bothered to get to games early enough to get the same seats week after week.
 
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with all due respect, we have given the band the bell duties at women's games (also the anthem practice for men's hockey) and they were horrible at it. And it was the percussion section :eek:

I'm not crapping on the band and they have made tremendous strides in becoming one of the best bands in hockey east. We work well together, maybe the other side of the fishtank should help out and join the cheers.
 
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I'm not crapping on the band and they have made tremendous strides in becoming one of the best bands in hockey east. We work well together, maybe the other side of the fishtank should help out and join the cheers.
Are you referring to the group over there who'd rather chant "Pep band sucks" instead of a UNH cheer?

(And I concur, the band is excellent - Casey has done great work.)
 
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Because you'll sit in the balcony with the band and students at the Verizon during the regular season, but come playoffs it'd be compromising your seat integrity. If we spent as much time organizing and cheering as we do in disputes like these, the RIT Corner Crew would be our *****. Unfortunately things that should be simple, like getting the loudest people together instead turn in to bickering.

The difference is at the Verizon those ARE our seats; we don't randomly move up there. Darci didn't choose to sit with the band, the athletic department chose to put the band behind our seats. Honestly, if she's at regionals and spending $81 to see the games, let her sit wherever the heck she wants. I wasn't going to move up with the band either.

I know for a fact that we (UNH fans) were loud on Friday night against Cornell. We received several text messages from those watching the game at home stating so. I would agree that Saturday was a different story but the majority of those who made it for both nights barely had voices. I don't think sitting with the band would've changed that.

I'm all for working WITH the band because some things have worked well (e.g. Go Blue, Go White)but I don't think handing over the reigns to them is the right answer either. For starters, if they're going go do the cowbell, please get someone who can do it. The few times they've done it at women's games has not been good. We need someone that can play it as well as Adam, Matt, and Keith have done it in the past.
 
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Because you'll sit in the balcony with the band and students at the Verizon during the regular season, but come playoffs it'd be compromising your seat integrity. If we spent as much time organizing and cheering as we do in disputes like these, the RIT Corner Crew would be our *****. Unfortunately things that should be simple, like getting the loudest people together instead turn in to bickering.

didn't you give up on the team after their come from behind win against UND and their outplaying national champion BU in the regional because you didn't like the direction of the team?

The first game you came down to the section was the Maine game and then we barely saw you until the final month of the season. I'm not trying to make this a personal attack but I think you are going after the wrong people in regards to the noise in the building.

FWIW, the RIT section didn't sit with their band either, does that make them evil? Our band could hear us, and they can start cheers whenever they want. We are all in it to make the most noise possible. I don't think i need to sit on a bandie's lap in order to show my love for UNH hockey.
 
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Are you referring to the group over there who'd rather chant "Pep band sucks" instead of a UNH cheer?

(And I concur, the band is excellent - Casey has done great work.)

I think so ;)

Why do you think the band doesn't play "Let's Go Blue" anymore?

I also agree Casey has done a great job with the band and I enjoy having them near us :D
 
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