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UNH Recruits: 2012-2018

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So ... are Blackburn and/or BvR coming this Fall, or will they be delayed until Fall 2016? :confused:
 
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So ... are Blackburn and/or BvR coming this Fall, or will they be delayed until Fall 2016? :confused:

With Vela (thank goodness!), Kalinowski, Cefalu and Nazarian all signing I'd doubt that BVR comes this fall - they're up to 17 forwards for next year already and consensus is he still needs some development.

If Blackburn did sign during the November, early signing period - he's coming. Certainly unforeseen situations (injury/MJ) can arise, but you don't sign an NLI unless the absolute expectation is your coming in the fall. The aid agreement all of these players (and the school) signed was for the 2015-16 school year (you cannot sign for future years), which begins this fall.

So it looks like Miller is the odd man out - I can't imagine they'd bring in six forwards - and the forward class is Blackburn, Vela, Nazarian, Cefalu, Kalinowski.

CHC - the NTDP tweeted about many of their NLI signees during the recent U18 Tournament, bunt mentioned nothing about Masonious. Have you heard anything? Hopefully, UNH is just waiting until he returns stateside...??
 
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With Vela (thank goodness!), Kalinowski, Cefalu and Nazarian all signing I'd doubt that BVR comes this fall - they're up to 17 forwards for next year already and consensus is he still needs some development.

If Blackburn did sign during the November, early signing period - he's coming. Certainly unforeseen situations (injury/MJ) can arise, but you don't sign an NLI unless the absolute expectation is your coming in the fall. The aid agreement all of these players (and the school) signed was for the 2015-16 school year (you cannot sign for future years), which begins this fall.


So it looks like Miller is the odd man out - I can't imagine they'd bring in six forwards - and the forward class is Blackburn, Vela, Nazarian, Cefalu, Kalinowski.

CHC - the NTDP tweeted about many of their NLI signees during the recent U18 Tournament, bunt mentioned nothing about Masonious. Have you heard anything? Hopefully, UNH is just waiting until he returns stateside...??

Masonius' NLI Status is likely to be resolved today. Assuming NLI offer was issued on 15th, he would have the rest of today to sign. Team USA U18 has today off and plays the Czech Republic tomorrow.

BvR coming in Fall 2016 would not be a surprise if that's how it plays out.
 
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Certainly unforeseen situations (injury/MJ) can arise, but you don't sign an NLI unless the absolute expectation is your coming in the fall. The aid agreement all of these players (and the school) signed was for the 2015-16 school year (you cannot sign for future years), which begins this fall.

The general practice among other teams is to have players sign LOI, even if they are scheduled for later years. Since UNH got burned with these issues, they have ceased announcing LOIs, and instead just issue a press release mid summer. Other teams are far more proactive in announcing signings, even if the signing is (as you point out Dan), ceremonial because the LOI will not extend into the following year for a deferred player. I think psychologically it keeps the player bound to the program and makes them feel the program has committed to them, even if that commitment would expire.

July 30, 2014

Notre Dame, Ind. - Notre Dame hockey coach Jeff Jackson today announced that Anders Bjork (Mequon, Wis.) has signed a national letter-of-intent to join the Irish hockey program for the 2014-15 season.

Bjork, the son of Irish hockey All-American Kirt Bjork `83, brings the list of signees to 13 with 10 of them set to join the Irish for the coming season. Expected to join the team this fall along with Bjork are forwards Bo Brauer (Edina, Minn.), Dawson Cook (Cadillac, Mich.), Jake Evans (Toronto, Ont.) and Connor Hurley (Eagan, Minn.); defensemen Nathan Billitier (Spencerport, N.Y.), Tony Bretzman (Mendota Heights, Minn.), Jordan Gross (Maple Grove, Minn.) and Luke Ripley (Kitamit, B.C.) plus goaltender Cal Petersen (Waterloo, Iowa). Cook, Gross and Petersen signed letters-of-intent in the fall of 2013 but deferred until this coming season.

Also signing letters-of-intent this year are defenseman Bobby Nardella (Melrose Park, Ill.) and forward Joe Wegwerth (Brewster, N.Y.) who are expected to join the Irish along with forward Andrew Oglevie (Fullerton, Calif.), a 2013 signee, for the 2015-16 campaign.
 
Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2016

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The general practice among other teams is to have players sign LOI, even if they are scheduled for later years. Since UNH got burned with these issues, they have ceased announcing LOIs, and instead just issue a press release mid summer. Other teams are far more proactive in announcing signings, even if the signing is (as you point out Dan), ceremonial because the LOI will not extend into the following year for a deferred player. I think psychologically it keeps the player bound to the program and makes them feel the program has committed to them, even if that commitment would expire.

Interesting - I've doubted that rumor because I've never seen a school or coach comment on future recruits (which Notre Dame does here). This seems to be a practice that is based on some pretty 'creative' compliance rulings well outside the intended spirit of the document. Additionally, I see ZERO benefit to the player to ever sign an NLI unless you are enrolling in the next school year. By definition the NLI is a documented agreement between school and prospect of athletic aid terms for the upcoming year - so, as stated above, any deferral means a renewal must be signed the next year anyway.

Over the course of that year, the school could completely change its mind on the sum of the athletic award or whether a renewal would even be issued. If a student-athlete signs an NLI and 'fails to enroll', the NLI remains binding to the student athlete - meaning that if the student-athlete were to change his mind he could, but would be bound to NCAA transfer rules...

http://www.nationalletter.org/documentLibrary/administrativeGuidelines.pdf

Based on the above, if a student signed early and changed his mind he would be forced to serve a year in residence and lose a year of eligibility. Am I incorrect in my understanding that - for example - UNH could have signed Vecchione, THEN told him he was deferring, forcing him to either wait to come to UNH or look for a different school, but lose a year of eligibility??? Meanwhile, no school can contact Vecchione because he is signed to UNH.

If some schools have started to rule that this practice is NCAA compliant then more will certainly follow shortly, but I've never seen anything to indicate UNH recruits this way. So I'd still strongly assume that all recent NLI signees will be in Durham this fall. If anything, I've noticed UNH prefers to avoids the early signing period whenever possible - allowing them to evaluate recruits all winter and make a decision on who to sign/defer in the spring.
 
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Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2016

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In November, 2013, Dylan Chanter, Shane Eiserman, and Cameron Marks signed an NLI during the early signing period. Last November, Liam Blackburn signed an NLI.
 
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Other teams are far more proactive in announcing signings, even if the signing is (as you point out Dan), ceremonial because the LOI will not extend into the following year for a deferred player. I think psychologically it keeps the player bound to the program and makes them feel the program has committed to them, even if that commitment would expire.

The agreements included in a signed National Letter of Intent (NLI) apparently can be deferred:

"Update on UNH Recruits and National Letter of Intent"

Excerpts:

"I have received the following confirmation from Michelle Bronner, Senior Associate Director for Compliance at UNH, that the agreement included in an National Letter of Intent can be deferred:
'The quick answer is yes an NLI can be deferred. There is a provision in the letter of intent #7c that states “This NLI shall be declared null and void if I have not attended any institution for at least one academic year, provided my request for athletics financial aid for a subsequent fall term is denied by the signing institution.” So as long as a school holds a scholarship for the individual and makes it available the NLI remains in effect.' "

"Last November, Mike McMahon clarified this point in the "NLI Primer" he wrote for the College Hockey News.
'How long is an NLI good for? Originally NLIs were meant to be signed the year before you begin competition for a college program. However, an NLI can be deferred for up to four years if agreed upon by the school and player. It's possible a player signs an NLI as a 17-year-old senior in high school but defers for three seasons to play junior or prep hockey and doesn't start with his NCAA program until he is 20 years old.' "
 
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"Clarification: Update on UNH Recruits and National Letter of Intent"

Clarification

Two days ago, I sought clarification from the National Letter of Intent Program on the question of deferring an NLI. I just received a return call from Susan Peal, the Director of the National Letter of Intent. She explained that the prospective student-athlete who has signed an NLI either during the November, 2014 early signing period or the current signing period, has the option to delay enrollment until Fall 2016. This is up to the discretion of the prospective student-athlete and can not be imposed by the college/university. This clarification appears to contradict one aspect of the "NLI Primer" article from the College Hockey News. A delay, if initiated by the prospective student-athlete, is for one year.
 
Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2016

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Hard to see Miller being a major part of the program, but always nice to see in-state kids in the mix.
 
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Nazarian is coming in now, tweeted "Wildcats class of 2019"

Hoping you're right. Can't claim to have tons of contacts, but those I do have, have nothing but good things to say about this kid.
 
Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2018

I got confirmation last Thursday, the 23rd, that Ara Nazarian, Marcus Vela, Jason Kalinowski, and Frankie Cefalu are enrolling next fall:

"Update on UNH Recruits and National Letter of Intent"

Got confirmation from Chris Miller on Friday.

Sorry Mike, once the discussion turned to the subtleties of NLI's, I admittedly switched off. :o

Still grappling with the comments from Coach Harris comparing MacDonald to JvR. :eek:

Further evidence on why I usually stand clear of the recruiting discussions ...
 
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"Clarification: Update on UNH Recruits and National Letter of Intent"

Clarification

Two days ago, I sought clarification from the National Letter of Intent Program on the question of deferring an NLI. I just received a return call from Susan Peal, the Director of the National Letter of Intent. She explained that the prospective student-athlete who has signed an NLI either during the November, 2014 early signing period or the current signing period, has the option to delay enrollment until Fall 2016. This is up to the discretion of the prospective student-athlete and can not be imposed by the college/university. This clarification appears to contradict one aspect of the "NLI Primer" article from the College Hockey News. A delay, if initiated by the prospective student-athlete, is for one year.

Hahaha, yeah sure...

As you stated, NLI provision 7(c) states the following - "an NLI shall be declared null and void if the prospect has not attended any institution for at least one academic year."

NLI provision 7(c) says NOTHING about, and was written in NO PART to allow prospects to defer NLI's. It was written to protect schools from prospects who wanted to get out of NLI's so badly they were willing to forgo enrollment and wait a year in an effort to attend another institution. Essentially making the NLI binding to that student-athlete and force them to sit out a second year of residence (along with equipping the NLI institution with the ability to block transfers - per transfer rules) if a player wanted to go that route.

Creative compliance officers at hockey schools have read between the lines and used the NCAA's vague, legalese verbiage to manipulate the system and protect their recruited prospects from being poached by other schools while they keep them tucked away in junior hockey. It was an institutional serving rule in the first place and has become more so within NCAA hockey...

Certainly, the school can 'convince' the player that it is 'his choice' - they can also pull the aid offer after a year, making the NLI null and void and cut the kid loose. Do you really think that all of those players who signed to Notre Dame a year early (Watcher's post) signed their NLI and THEN decided themselves they wanted to spend an extra year in juniors? Nope, with the gentlemen's agreement dissolved, Notre Dame told those players they would sign (to protect ND from poachings) but not matriculate for another year...

As I stated earlier in this thread - if this type of NLI manipulation was occuring, it was simply a creative interpretation of the rules by coaches and compliance officers that I was not aware of. I'm more convinced than ever that that is all it is. One coach/compliance department at a hockey school interprets the provision in this fashion - because the provision is not specific enough to prevent them from doing so, UNH begins to interpret the rule in the same way to keep up with the Jones-es. This is how NCAA compliance and coach manipulation works - where the spirit of the rule is often trampled by the interpretation and loop holes the rule creates. So nothing in my point of view has changed, except that I am now aware of a new and unique way for coaches to manipulate a rule in sports where prospects don't matriculate directly to college at 18.

I understand you've quoted two direct sources and done the research in an attempt to simply educate posters on the board. I've worked in NCAA recruiting world for 12 years - I know how things actually work. Bonner is simply regurgitating the interpretation that UNH has adopted because other programs have adopted it. The NCAA source is just responding based on the interpretation that was brought to them - which they are unable to do anything about because of the vague way the rule was written in the first place - except she adds the piece about the decision must be the student-athletes. That makes it sound like the student-athlete has a choice, which I promise you they truly do not...

Fortunately, UNH is blessed with a coach with the ethical make-up not to abuse the rule. Umile doesn't strike me as one who would pull the offer and stick it to Blackburn if he has a bad year.

Unfortunately, UNH is stuck with an old dog coach who even when he tries to learn a new trick applies it incorrectly. In my opinion, deferring Blackburn to 2016-17 is a HUGE mistake. One that will effect UNH this season and in the years to come. If you want to apply this rule, you apply it to someone like Nazarian - a young, slight prospect who has a lot of ability, but has not quite put it all together. Nazarian's first season in the USHL was a lot like Poturalski's, meaning HE is likely the type of player who benefits from a second season.

Blackburn, meanwhile, dominated in the BCHL last season - he gains very little by going back there and putting up 85-90 points instead of 70. Blackburn is good enough to play a regular shift and an important role THIS FALL. So why is he not coming? Its easy to assume its because Umile doesn't want to bring in another player who might put him in the position of sitting upper-classmen. Especially upper-classmen with letters.

Kalinowski, Cefalu & Miller are hardly threats to surpass anyone - since Nazarian is coming, he should play, but he's a huge candidate to get the Umile treatment (5-8, 180, -10 in the USHL last year) that all small, young, 'not ready defensively' players get. Which would leave us with a forward class of one, in Marcus Vela, joining last year's team minus Downing & Willows...

I hear so many excuses about why UNH can't compete for talent - poor facilities, location, admissions, blah blah blah. That's all they are - excuses. This coaching staff is what keeps UNH from bringing top talent to Durham with poor evaluations, poor handling of committed recruits and a history of deferring and sitting talented young players on the bench in lieu of older, ' more experienced' and 'safer' recruiting misses...
 
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