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UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2019 and Beyond

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HockeyRef said:
So what 'new rules' are those, and, why couldn't UNH be in the hunt just like any other team? Agree just waiting for good players to fall into your lap isn't a good strategy and I'm sure they feel the same (or at least, I would hope). I guess my question is, how do these new rules prohibit UNH from 'being aggressive' when it comes to recruits..wouldn't these rules affect any other team? Sorry if this seems naïve..but I don't see your point. I'd like to think UNH can compete for any player...
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Rule changes approved by the NCAA’s Division I Council today will significantly alter the recruiting timeline for Division I men’s hockey prospects with the goal of slowing down and improving the recruiting experience.

The changes restructure the timing of permissible recruiting activities, creating two starting points for various recruiting activities. The most impactful changes are:

Eliminating all recruiting conversations (whether initiated by the coach or the prospect) prior to Jan. 1 of a prospect’s sophomore (grade 10) year.
Establishing Aug. 1 prior to a prospect’s junior (grade 11) year as the first date when NCAA coaches can make a verbal offer.


Essentially, its eliminating the real early recruits from verbally committing.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Thanks for this info C-H-C...I notice that Carson Richels is doing very well and will add some impact scoring hopefully! Where do you see him in our line up, and, what UNH players, past and present, does he emulate in your observations??
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Carsen Richels, 6'2 223 pound LW, great shot, questions about skating, ranked at #75
https://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?cat=1&dpid=121007&sort=midtermRank&year=2020

Eddie Caron, 6'2 223 pound LW, great shot, questions about skating, selected #52 overall
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=56787

Too soon?;)

Joking aside (though they have similar skills, and Caron should have done better but for him lacking hockey sense), the issue of how a larger winger can adjust to the college game is always an issue. Even highly rated kids like Jack McBain and David Cotton at BC take a while. Particularly where Richels is not quite a power winger who heads to the front of the net, but has a great shot but needs space to get his shot off, he will need someone who can find him in those spots.

As to the goalie question, Chuck, look no further than the BCHL rookie of the year, who probably will return to the league so be a 2021 recruit, he is available this "close" to the UNH need.
 
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Lemonade said:
Rule changes approved by the NCAA’s Division I Council today will significantly alter the recruiting timeline for Division I men’s hockey prospects with the goal of slowing down and improving the recruiting experience.

The changes restructure the timing of permissible recruiting activities, creating two starting points for various recruiting activities. The most impactful changes are:

Eliminating all recruiting conversations (whether initiated by the coach or the prospect) prior to Jan. 1 of a prospect’s sophomore (grade 10) year.
Establishing Aug. 1 prior to a prospect’s junior (grade 11) year as the first date when NCAA coaches can make a verbal offer.


Essentially, its eliminating the real early recruits from verbally committing.
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Ok, I get there are these new restrictions on when a D1 coach can approach a potential recruit. Now you have to explain to me how/why UNH gets the brunt of this; the part where this leaves UNH in the middle of the pack/tier. Sorry to bore those of you who understand this stuff...still learning the recruiting ropes. Like I said...I'd like to think/hope that UNH has at least the equal shot on any of them. Surely...they know who these guys are.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Ok, I get there are these new restrictions on when a D1 coach can approach a potential recruit. Now you have to explain to me how/why UNH gets the brunt of this; the part where this leaves UNH in the middle of the pack/tier. Sorry to bore those of you who understand this stuff...still learning the recruiting ropes. Like I said...I'd like to think/hope that UNH has at least the equal shot on any of them. Surely...they know who these guys are.
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With the old rules the premium blue chip kids were recruited early by the big time schools like the BU/BC's of the world. UNH really didnt have access to those types for the most part. The only advantage to this was that BU/BC commits kids early and they dont pan out which handcuffed them with numbers/scholarships. Now since the age of recruits are older it allow the BC/BU types more time to evaluate kids and take less risks and yet still land the blue chips. If a recruit has BU/BC knocking on the door at the same time as UNH.....odds are good they arent ending up in a UNH uniform.
 
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Lemonade said:
With the old rules the premium blue chip kids were recruited early by the big time schools like the BU/BC's of the world. UNH really didnt have access to those types for the most part. The only advantage to this was that BU/BC commits kids early and they dont pan out which handcuffed them with numbers/scholarships. Now since the age of recruits are older it allow the BC/BU types more time to evaluate kids and take less risks and yet still land the blue chips. If a recruit has BU/BC knocking on the door at the same time as UNH.....odds are good they are ending up in a UNH uniform.
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You mean BU/BC uni...thanks for the explanation.
 
HockeyRef said:
You mean BU/BC uni...thanks for the explanation.
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The biggest factor is that it eliminates the opportunity to find kids before they’ve really hit the national radar and be their first offer. Now kids will end up with a lot of contact all at once and schools will all have time to discover and watch prospects develop before making decisions...

UNH, the school/program can certainly win these battles, but the staff will need to prove they can win head to head recruiting battles that they haven’t won yet...
 
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NCAA watcher said:
...the issue of how a larger winger can adjust to the college game is always an issue. Even highly rated kids like Jack McBain and David Cotton at BC take a while. Particularly where Richels is not quite a power winger who heads to the front of the net, but has a great shot but needs space to get his shot off, he will need someone who can find him in those spots.
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In his junior and senior seasons at Blaine (MN) High School, Carsen Richels' combined stats are 69 goals, including 16 power play goals, in 56 games. Most of his goals have come off the rush or on the power play. In the former situation, he created his own space by anticipating the rush and skating fast enough to beat the opposing defensemen into the offensive zone. In power play situations, he found the open space, in areas other than the front of the net, and got his accurate shot off. He should be a goal-scoring threat on the power play in his freshman season at UNH. Time will tell whether his hockey IQ plus speed are sufficient to score goals off the rush at the college level. It will be interesting to see if he can also add the JvR-bang aound in front of the net style of goals. He's currently 6'3", 210 lbs.
 
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C-H-C said:
In his junior and senior seasons at Blaine (MN) High School, Carsen Richels' combined stats are 69 goals, including 16 power play goals, in 56 games. Most of his goals have come off the rush or on the power play. In the former situation, he created his own space by anticipating the rush and skating fast enough to beat the opposing defensemen into the offensive zone. In power play situations, he found the open space, in areas other than the front of the net, and got his accurate shot off. He should be a goal-scoring threat on the power play in his freshman season at UNH. Time will tell whether his hockey IQ plus speed are sufficient to score goals off the rush at the college level. It will be interesting to see if he can also add the JvR-bang aound in front of the net style of goals. He's currently 6'3", 210 lbs.
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Am looking forward to seeing what Carson brings to the offensive table... seems like an extremely talented player! We need that net front presence...could be just what the 'Cats are looking for...
 
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Felger said:
Dan (and anyone else)

Just curious how you think this might effect college hockey in general and specifically UNH

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/28730763/ncaa-studies-idea-one-transfer-no-penalty
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Hesitant to wade in here, but no one else has jumped in yet, so here goes …

Hate it. The way I see it, it just creates more opportunity for the "haves" to expand their recruiting efforts to emerging players who may have snuck in "under the radar" with lesser programs. And it would make the "have nots" have to work all that much harder not only to coach their guys up, but then to convince them to stay when the big boys start to hover around.

Not to be naïve here, I'm sure these approaches already happen now on the QT … but at least there's the disincentive not to lose that full year of eligibility keeping some players where they are. Imagine if the BvR's of the world get a freebie now right from the start, and don't have to wait until certain restrictive circumstances later in their careers to move around freely? Good luck trying to get your program out of the muck, if you're one of those also-rans.

For me, it would be just one less reason to follow college sports. There I go, being naïve again … :o
 
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Chuck Murray said:
Hesitant to wade in here, but no one else has jumped in yet, so here goes …

Hate it. The way I see it, it just creates more opportunity for the "haves" to expand their recruiting efforts to emerging players who may have snuck in "under the radar" with lesser programs. And it would make the "have nots" have to work all that much harder not only to coach their guys up, but then to convince them to stay when the big boys start to hover around.

Not to be naïve here, I'm sure these approaches already happen now on the QT … but at least there's the disincentive not to lose that full year of eligibility keeping some players where they are. Imagine if the BvR's of the world get a freebie now right from the start, and don't have to wait until certain restrictive circumstances later in their careers to move around freely? Good luck trying to get your program out of the muck, if you're one of those also-rans.

For me, it would be just one less reason to follow college sports. There I go, being naïve again … :o
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Actually I thought of you and Walshy when I was reading the article. There's a retro financial aid joke in there somewhere...
 
I would tend to agree - I’m all for giving the SA all the freedom and flexibility afforded the general student population, but there is no doubt this rule is going to be exploited and ruined by the ‘adults’ in the room...

Programs already recruit off the rosters of lesser programs - especially in sports with a one time transfer exception - with what’s at $take in football and basketball (and even hockey) that’s only going to increase exponentially with this rule.

There should be corresponding legislation introduced to severely punish coaches caught poaching from other college rosters...
 
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Dan said:
I would tend to agree - I’m all for giving the SA all the freedom and flexibility afforded the general student population, but there is no doubt this rule is going to be exploited and ruined by the ‘adults’ in the room...

Programs already recruit off the rosters of lesser programs - especially in sports with a one time transfer exception - with what’s at $take in football and basketball (and even hockey) that’s only going to increase exponentially with this rule.

There should be corresponding legislation introduced to severely punish coaches caught poaching from other college rosters...
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There should be corresponding "legislation" that forces the poaching school to reimburse scholarship $$ to the poached school. That would slow the flow...until college is totally free...which will set up a whole new, fun dynamic...;)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Proud to announce my college commitment to play division one hockey at the University of New Hampshire. Thank you to all my family, friends, teammates, and coaches who have helped me along the way. Go wildcats! <a href="https://t.co/mEjKwDPw8m">pic.twitter.com/mEjKwDPw8m</a></p>— Nikolai Jenson (@nikolaijenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/nikolaijenson/status/1235014494377648128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does this mean Ardanaz is spending another year in the BCHL?
 
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NCAA watcher said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Proud to announce my college commitment to play division one hockey at the University of New Hampshire. Thank you to all my family, friends, teammates, and coaches who have helped me along the way. Go wildcats! <a href="https://t.co/mEjKwDPw8m">pic.twitter.com/mEjKwDPw8m</a></p>— Nikolai Jenson (@nikolaijenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/nikolaijenson/status/1235014494377648128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does this mean Ardanaz is spending another year in the BCHL?
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When would he be coming on board?? Next season?
 
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Fourth straight right defenseman
2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Jr.Pierson---------Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Richels--------Jr.Engaras -------Sr.Grasso
Sr.Sato-----------So.Stevenson----Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Margel---------Fr.Cafarelli-------Jr.Esposito
Jr.Cipollone------So.Herrmann-----Sr.Sacco
Fr.Sweeney------So.Hankinson---Fr.Gendron

Sr.Maass---------So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon----Fr.Reid
Fr.Jenson-------Jr.Verrier
So.McElhaney----Fr.Nagle
Jr.Hickey

2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--Sr.Pierson------Sr.Engaras
So.Richels-------Jr.Stevenson-----So.Cafarelli
Sr.Esposito------So.Margel--------Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Devlin---------Fr.Bakos-------Fr.Cronin
Sr.Cipollone----Jr.Herrmann-------Fr.Curran
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-------Jr.Hankinson
So.Gendron

Jr.Eriksson--------Fr.Ardanaz
Sr.MacKinnon-----So.Reid
Sr.Verrier----------Fr.Gagne
Jr.McElhaney------Fr.Penney
So.Nagle----------So.Jenson
Sr.Hickey

2022-23
Jr.Richels------Sr.Stevenson---Jr.Cafarelli
-------Fr.Turner--------So.D.Sacco
Jr.Margel--------So.Bakos--------So.Curran
So.Devlin--------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring-------Fr.Leclerc--------Sr.Hankinson
---Fr.Winters-------Jr.Sweeney--JrGendron

SoArdanaz-----Sr.Eriksson
Jr.Reid---------Fr.Carfagna
So.Gagne------So.Penney
Sr.McElhaney-----Jr.Nagle
Jr.Jenson
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNHCommit?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNHCommit</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/nikolaijenson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nikolaijenson</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/YtownPhantoms?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YtownPhantoms</a>' Alternate Captain, playing style similar to current <a href="https://twitter.com/UNHMHOCKEY?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UNHMHOCKEY</a> D-men <a href="https://twitter.com/willmack_3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@willmack_3</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryan_Verrier?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ryan_Verrier</a>. Very good skater, quick to loose pucks, physical agitator (36 PIM). Crisp, accurate outlet passes, can penetrate O-zone <a href="https://twitter.com/_Neutral_Zone?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_Neutral_Zone</a></p>— Mike Lowry (@UNHHockeyBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/UNHHockeyBlog/status/1235037884228329472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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