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UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

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Dan interesting read. Think the last player with admissions issues was Masonius whom we lost to UConn if I have that right? Anyway I agree there's no reason why UNH can't attract top talent and your summation of the season and players is prob more correct than not. But ya never know who's gonna have a breakout season and yep we need more than a few to have one this season to make the NCAA...let alone the Garden!

That being said by Nov we will have a decent idea what we are dealing with....

You are right - I forgot about Masonious. I believe that was, once again, more about transcripts than an inability to be admitted to UNH in general. I could be wrong.

Regardless, this stuff happens occasionally at every school - move on and replace that recruit. It seems only at UNH are academics pointed out as an insurmountable and ever present obstacle. When in reality it's barely an issue - and certainly not a major issue. It sure doesn't slow down Harvard. And when the Crimson lose someone, they just grab another. Recruiting is all attitude and effort. Negative attitudes will lead to negative results...
 
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More quotes from C-H-C's article...



That was the attitude at UNH. A good one. Now the attitude seems to be...

"We may not be as glamourous as Michigan, Wisconsin, Boston College, but we also have fewer selling points and more obstacles than Western Michigan, Michigan Tech, Northeastern, Providence, UConn, either UMass, Minnesota State, Air Force and most anyone else... :("



One excuse I'll buy, is that THIS is no longer a factor at all. The environment is horrendous, but that is of their own doing...


Spot on. UNH had great selling points....HAD. If you arent winning hockey games the campus isnt good enough and the facilities are average. Its about getting recruits and talent...then comes winning then comes a filled arena and a great environment. Once you fall into that slippery slope of mediocrity its is very tough to come back from. You either need a fantastic and exciting new coach to get the talent or you need to get real lucky and have 2nd tier recruits all turn in career years to build a winner. Lets face it UNH is now the red headed step child of Hockey East....if you are a top end recruit you are going to BU/BC/Lowell/PC and even UMASS/NU/VT/UCONN now over UNH. UNH/Maine/Merrimack get the leftovers. I dont get the lack of aggressiveness and lack of recruits as of late...just odd.
 
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Spot on. UNH had great selling points....HAD. If you arent winning hockey games the campus isnt good enough and the facilities are average. Its about getting recruits and talent...then comes winning then comes a filled arena and a great environment. Once you fall into that slippery slope of mediocrity its is very tough to come back from. You either need a fantastic and exciting new coach to get the talent or you need to get real lucky and have 2nd tier recruits all turn in career years to build a winner. Lets face it UNH is now the red headed step child of Hockey East....if you are a top end recruit you are going to BU/BC/Lowell/PC and even UMASS/NU/VT/UCONN now over UNH. UNH/Maine/Merrimack get the leftovers. I dont get the lack of aggressiveness and lack of recruits as of late...just odd.

I'd certainly agree that the current lack of gameday atmosphere at the Whittemore Ctr, is a result of not winning hockey games. I'd also agree with you about UNH's current place on the HE recruiting totem pole.

However, I'm not sure we agree entirely, as I'd argue UNH still has many great selling points and a lot to offer potential recruits. Every recruit is looking for different things and UNH offers a tremendous opportunity on and off the ice to individual prospects. McCloskey agreed with me and believed in UNH. That's why he could sell it. With every passing season, I'm more and more convinced that many currently involved with UNH hockey and UNH athletics do not agree with McCloskey and me. Or they believe that whatever UNH does have to offer its not as good as what other schools can offer. If you don't believe in what you're selling, you have no chance to sell it - even if you're wrong in your disbelief...

UNH clearly has a lot of great selling points. UNH recruiters need to stop worrying about where they come up short in regards to other schools. Its not inferior to any other school - its different. Embrace what you do have, make the most of what you do have and that enthusiasm is contagious. There seems to be zero enthusiasm around selling UNH right now. Instead we only hear about not having this, not being near that, admissions, blah blah blah...

One thing that definitely happens in recruiting is that coaches beat themselves all the time. That kid is too good, he'll get too many offers, school Y is after him, lets not waste our time, we're inferior. And assuming those 'close' to the program are getting their opinions from somewhere, it really makes you wonder...
 
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I do not pretend to even BEGIN to take part in this convo at the level of many of you who have been around the game and this hockey program, but I will say this: if Mike Souza can recruit the likes of a Drew Commesso (and yes...I know, I know) then he is capable of recruiting others of his caliber. Why DC de-committed, etc is anyone's guess (the cowbell analogy was interesting) but for us to speculate that the UNH coaching staff isn't going after these big fish really has no grounds really.

Now I'm going to get killed on that comment and that's ok, because you'd have to prove to me that they (the UNH coaching staff) are sitting around at 128 Main and twittling their thumbs. Dan is 100% right that UNH absolutely has a lot to offer, heck yeah! WHY is UConn pulling down those recruits and we aren't? I really do not know the answer to that q. Last I knew they haven't won anything of merit per se, unless you count beating us the past 2 years as any big accomplishment! I know RESULTS SPEAK so there's that, yes, I do get that.

This program is in need of major overhaul folks (duh) and I'd have to be the first to say that the Commesso de-commit hurt. Mike Souza knows that. I believe he is committed to turning the program around. I do not know (and no one here does and if they do, they aren't sayin') what he's dealing with and it has to have been difficult in this 3 year whatever it was. I can't reconcile the idea that we aren't at least attempting to recruit a winning formula. I just can't. If we aren't, then, ok, UNH really doesn't care about winning hockey games and that's even more far fetched for me to grasp and understand. I'm in it to win it. Aren't most fans??? Aren't these coaches? It's frustrating. I do recognize that our asst. coaches do not have a lengthy recruiting record, but they have shown they can do the job. Yes we have some slots to fill and right soon; so, the coming months will mean a lot in terms of what they do.

And I thought about that article C-H-C posted about the recruiting era under McC. I'm thinking, these are different times. (Sounds like an 'excuse' but...) EVERY COACH wants the big fish, I would think, and if they don't attempt to get them, then, we all might as well pack it up. So I believe that we are at least going after them, but, with the state of the program in the win-loss record, declining ticket sales, these big guns would rather skate 2 years elsewhere (which is another subject in itself). Meanwhile we have a group that deserves support and I am hopeful they find a measure of success this season (and I know this is the hope most fans have, or at least, I hope they do).

And speaking of UConn, when they have their first game at the Garden, then, I'm a believer they know more about recruiting than we do. Until then, they are just another HE team that has beaten us 2 years straight. Sigh.
 
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It is easy to understand why some question the aggressiveness of the current recruiting regime - both in terms of attacking big fish and an overall approach to recruiting. There has been one big fish in theee seasons (a couple just big enough not to throw back and one caught by someone else that showed up at the market when every other customer had already gone home) and the recruiting pace has been glacial since Souxa's arrival. Does it really matter if he's shying away from young impact prospects (impact meaning, at least to me, a far broader definition than the one or two and done - Poturalskis, Grassos, Blackburns, Velas, Crookshanks) or if he just can't land any? I mean is that really any better? Like you say, Ref, it's a results based business. Personally, I'd rather he be struggling with strategy (perhaps as a result of his mentors I'll-advised personal approach) than illustrating an inability to sell...

Counting on a late bloomer and a decommitment to save the class every summer is a recipe for disaster on its own. Adding a nice piece or two to a stocked foundation is how you win games...

As for attracting and landing the best recruits - it goes a lot deeper than just identifying and targeting. As I said earlier, the unfortunate reality is that all the noise coming out of the program and from those close to the program indicates a lot of discussion on how hard it it's for UNH to compete and how many obstacles they need to overcome. Perhaps when recruiting the coaches are hitting on all of UNHs strengths and saying all the right things, but if they don't actually believe it it's not authentic and recruits will pick up on that. That's just one explanation for why UNH is coming home from every pond empty handed. I'm sure we could all think of more - but none are very flattering. That results issue again - as coaches are so fond of saying when they whine about their teams, "no participation trophies..."

The Whitt likely remains in the top 33% of facilities in NCAA hockey - to Claim the facility is a deterrent indicates to me someone who hasn't seen a lot of buildings. Yet it's a constant theme that UNH just can't compete with a building just over 20 years old. The academic floor is not a hinderance and the ceiling is attractive, but all we hear is that the rigorous standards kill the program. Durham is a great town, the campus is beautiful and close to the ocean, just a little over an hour from Boston or the mountains (a pretty good combination for athletes who almost never leave campus wherever they go - game trips aside) and yet were supposed to believe location is a major turnoff? That trumpeting has to start somewhere...

Again, I'd welcome someone (anyone) to tell me I'm wrong and the coaching staff is obnoxious in its enthusiasm, spewing constant rainbows when discussing UNH and believes their school is nothing short of the bees-knees! Until then, it's hard to imagine these complaints (facilities, academics, location) are emanating from anywhere other than the AD...

I hate to burst your bubble, but no - not every athletic department prioritizes winning, makes the most of what they have, abandons excuses and demands accountability. I've worked in many - it's notable when you actually do end up in one that is 'in it to win it'. Or one that understands winning does not mean sacrificing studen-athlete experience, academics or well-being. It's possible to expect both. The athletes are more than capable. I know where I think UNH falls on that spectrum...

And while the comeback is often - 'you're a uscho poster, like you could do better'. The reality is they don't have to be better coaches than you and me - they need to be better than the Norm Bazins and David Quinn's of the world. It's a high bar, but that's the game.

UNH stunk in the 80s and a few young recruiters bailed them out. That's the job now, they're either up for it or they're not. No excuses. No good efforts. No you tried to recruit the good ones. There are a number of coaches out there who can save the program and put it back on the forefront of the sport. Souza deserves his chance (since he's already been hired) outside of Umile's shadow - but his resume has already begun being written. If it doesn't get better in the near future, they'll need to move on. And I have even less faith in Scarano to make that decision - that's the really scary part...
 
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From an upcoming article previewing the incoming UNH freshman players:

"Neutral Zone, a top amateur hockey scouting service, ranked the 2017-18 UNH recruiting class as the 8th highest in all of Division I hockey utilizing their measurement of overall quality of recruits. Neutral Zone rated the UNH frosh (3 defensemen, 1 goalie, 3 forwards) an average score of 3.93 Stars on a 5-Star scale - a higher overall quality score than all Hockey East programs except Boston University (4.22) and Boston College (4.05). Two UNH freshmen were awarded ratings of 4 stars or above - Max Gildon (4.75 Stars) and Charlie Kelleher (4.25 Stars). On their weighted, algorithm point system, Neutral Zone rated UNH as the 14th best recruiting class in Division I."

5 out of the 7 freshmen in the 2017-18 season - Max Gildon, Benton Maass, James Miller, Eric MacAdams, and Kohei Sato - verbally committed after Coach Souza and Stewart came to UNH. Charlie Kelleher and Mike Robinson verbally committed when Coach Borek was still at UNH.

The 2016-17 UNH freshman class was ranked 26th in the nation on the average star score (behind BU, Providence, Northeastern, BC, Notre Dame, UMass Lowell, and Vermont) and 25th on the point system. There are 60 Division I men's hockey programs.
 
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It's sad (to me, anyway) to see the constant references in the last dozen or so posts to Coach McCloskey, who was at the heart of what UNH Hockey did best for a long time. And while we've debated the circumstances that ultimately led to his departure a few years ago, the abrupt and all-too-convenient "what have you done for me lately?" nature of the departure told me more about the dismissor(s) than the dismissee. I fully understand we're now living in a very PC world where certain sensitivities are not to be trodden upon without putting one's career in jeopardy. But you would think/hope an appreciative AD who valued the amazingly positive impact this guy had on the school's long-time flagship program would have advocated for a less drastic ending to this man's tenure at UNH.

But instead we have BS35+5. And now we have a rudderless program backed by a spineless AD.

Let the good times roll ... :rolleyes:
 
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With all due respect Dan, why would any top-end talent want to join a team that lost 6 games last season to the likes of Bentley (5-1), Colorado College (4-3), Arizona State (5-4), Dartmouth (5-1), and Yukon (5-3, 4-2), along with a 2-2 tie against mighty AHC powerhouse Sacred Heart? I still think that Umile pulling Tirone when down 4-1 to Dartmouth in Hanover last season was about the most disrespectful, if not stupidest, thing that I have seen a college hockey coach do to his players in recent memory. Save that treatment of players for the locker room, I say.
 
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02's and now 03's flying off the shevles. Northeastern just got two top end 02s, Penn State just got a top 03.

===00--01--02--total
BC - 5----8----4----17
BU-- 4----7----2----13
NU---4----5---4---13
PC----2(5)--1--2---8
UConn3---5---0----8
Maine-3(1)---4---0----8
VM------4--2---1---7
Mass--3---0---0---3
UNH--2---0---0(1)--3
Lowell1---0---0---1
Merr--2---0---0---2

Providence lost three 00s to junior hockey
Maine lost an 00 to junior hockey
UNH lost 02 to decommitment

All HE programs got commitments this summer, except UNH and Merrimack
 
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02's and now 03's flying off the shevles. Northeastern just got two top end 02s, Penn State just got a top 03.

===00--01--02--total
BC - 5----8----4----19
BU-- 4----7----2----13
NU---4----5---4---13
PC----2(5)--1--2---8
UConn3---5---0----8
Maine-3(1)---4---0----8
VM------4--2---1---7
Mass--3---0---0---3
UNH--2---0---0(1)--3
Lowell1---0---0---1
Merr--2---0---0---2

Providence lost three 00s to junior hockey
Maine lost an 00 to junior hockey
UNH lost 02 to decommitment

All HE programs got commitments this summer, except UNH and Merrimack

Wonder how many of the BC 19 will actually make it to BC?
 
From an upcoming article previewing the incoming UNH freshman players:



5 out of the 7 freshmen in the 2017-18 season - Max Gildon, Benton Maass, James Miller, Eric MacAdams, and Kohei Sato - verbally committed after Coach Souza and Stewart came to UNH. Charlie Kelleher and Mike Robinson verbally committed when Coach Borek was still at UNH.

The 2016-17 UNH freshman class was ranked 26th in the nation on the average star score (behind BU, Providence, Northeastern, BC, Notre Dame, UMass Lowell, and Vermont) and 25th on the point system. There are 60 Division I men's hockey programs.

Don't confuse the issue with facts and details Mike;)
 
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02's and now 03's flying off the shevles. Northeastern just got two top end 02s, Penn State just got a top 03.

===00--01--02--total
BC - 5----8----4----19
BU-- 4----7----2----13
NU---4----5---4---13
PC----2(5)--1--2---8
UConn3---5---0----8
Maine-3(1)---4---0----8
VM------4--2---1---7
Mass--3---0---0---3
UNH--2---0---0(1)--3
Lowell1---0---0---1
Merr--2---0---0---2

Providence lost three 00s to junior hockey
Maine lost an 00 to junior hockey
UNH lost 02 to decommitment

All HE programs got commitments this summer, except UNH and Merrimack

You didn't expect the guys would actually be working over the summer, now did you?

If you were following the other UNH thread(s) you know the guys were *busy* elsewhere ... :D

From an upcoming article previewing the incoming UNH freshman players:

5 out of the 7 freshmen in the 2017-18 season - Max Gildon, Benton Maass, James Miller, Eric MacAdams, and Kohei Sato - verbally committed after Coach Souza and Stewart came to UNH. Charlie Kelleher and Mike Robinson verbally committed when Coach Borek was still at UNH.

The 2016-17 UNH freshman class was ranked 26th in the nation on the average star score (behind BU, Providence, Northeastern, BC, Notre Dame, UMass Lowell, and Vermont) and 25th on the point system. There are 60 Division I men's hockey programs.

26th in the nation doesn't get you into the top 16 (D-1 tourney), unless of course you have a staff of coaches capable of coaching guys up regularly. Not sure that's been on display in recent seasons in Durham ...
 
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You didn't expect the guys would actually be working over the summer, now did you?

If you were following the other UNH thread(s) you know the guys were *busy* elsewhere ... :D



26th in the nation doesn't get you into the top 16 (D-1 tourney), unless of course you have a staff of coaches capable of coaching guys up regularly. Not sure that's been on display in recent seasons in Durham ...



===00--01--02--total
BC - 5----8----4----19
BU-- 4----7----2----13
NU---4----5---4---13
UConn- 3---5---0----8
Maine-3---4---0----7
VM------4--2---1---7
PC----2--1--2---5
Mass--3---0---0---3
Merr--2---0---0---2
UNH--2---0---0--2
Lowell 1---0---0---1

This my fellow fans is NOT GOOD! I think the decline is just starting to be honest. I think we can all agree that BU/BC/PC/UML are on a different level at this point. BU/PC/BC are able to pluck the blue chip younger recruits while ULowell focuses on the older late bloomer players. UMass has momentum with new coach an top 3 recruiting class (Cale Makar effect) but program is "on the rise". Northeastern is still the 2nd tier Boston school but at least they are aggressive in recruiting. UConn is getting traction and is active in recruiting by adding 8 recruits. Vermont is steady and hovering around a top 20 program. UMAINE in process of rebuilding with Gendron and then you have UNH who seems rudderless at the moment. UGH.
 
Don't confuse the issue with facts and details Mike;)

Fact, huh? That's an interesting take on one website's opinion. It's not a fact because it's what you two want to hear. Here's Jeff Cox describing last years class not as "26th best" (which is NOT good, btw) but as LAST in Hockey East!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbncollegehockey.com/platform/amp/college-hockey-recruiting-ncaa/2016/8/4/11828292/hockey-east-recruiting-rankings-providence-boston-university-boston-college-northeastern

Both watcher and I have credited Souza for this seasons class - to a point. This years class was salvaged with the addition of Gildon - but let's be honest about why he's here. He's here because Wisconsin dumped him extremely late in the recruiting cycle. That's not a recruiting strategy that builds successful teams in the long term...

The other player cited by the Neutral Zone ranking is not even a Souza recruit. It's CK, who committed to UNH for one reason - because Tyler picked UNH. That's not a recruiting strategy that builds successful teams in the long term...

I'm not sure where/when C-H-C got his information on NZ ranking UNHs 2017 class anyway - I posted the link on this page a week or two ago when they tweeted an image of their top ten (8/23). UNH wasn't involved - which puts them at least 11th behind the likes of UMass, Vermont, Minnesota State, Arizona State and Penn State. By your logic it's a 'fact' that UNH is recruiting worse than Minnesota St and a third year program - but, yeah, everything is right in the world of UNH recruiting...

This is not the eighth-best recruiting class in the country - and even though that's now on the internet it's still just my opinion!

* Gildon is a great pick up. They got extremely lucky.
* Kelleher will be very good. He won't be Tyler.
* Maass is getting a lot of hype. Actual facts - he's 18 with barely 30 games played above HS hockey (and all in the NAHL). Expecting him to be an immediate top-4, impact player may be unfair to him.
* Robinson may be better than what they have in G currently. It's a low bar. He couldn't make the grade in the USHL.
* I'm one of only a few who seem to even expect Miller to see much ice early in his career.

It's an average class by NCAA standards and a below average class by UNH standards. There are two players who appear to be locks to make an impact at the NCAA level, one you can dream on, a couple average to more kids and a whole lot of question marks. But that's not even what's sparked frustration with UNH recruiting and it's disingenuous to argue that it was.

The FACTS of the situation are the following. UNH has two 00's and ZERO players beyond that. UNH only has ten outstanding commitments in total. Three of those players verballed to Borek. Just three players have verballed to UNH in the last calendar year. Only two of the ten committed players project as likely to be above average or more at the NCAA level...

Let's imagine this class turns out to be great and they all stick around for their upper class seasons - it's not even worth wondering if they can return to the top of HE when we are stuck wondering who they are even going to be playing with? The best options are getting snapped up every day. Soon UNH will be stuck hoping all these guys all have younger brothers (why isn't little Gildon committed yet?) and that Max Gildon's become available every summer (they don't). FYI, that's not a recruiting strategy that builds successful teams in the long term...

Things are not good at UNH - and it's OK to voice wishes that they get better. Burying ones head in blue and white sand is not the only option.
 
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With all due respect Dan, why would any top-end talent want to join a team that lost 6 games last season to the likes of Bentley (5-1), Colorado College (4-3), Arizona State (5-4), Dartmouth (5-1), and Yukon (5-3, 4-2), along with a 2-2 tie against mighty AHC powerhouse Sacred Heart? I still think that Umile pulling Tirone when down 4-1 to Dartmouth in Hanover last season was about the most disrespectful, if not stupidest, thing that I have seen a college hockey coach do to his players in recent memory. Save that treatment of players for the locker room, I say.

Because UNH is historically an extremely successful and prestigious NCAA hockey program that can sell recruits on being part of an exciting, rewarding and even quick (if done right) turn-around.

Because academically, UNH has a strong offering of highly regarded majors, a large alumni network, newer academic buildings, smaller class sizes and opportunity. Without any notable barriers to entry for less talented students.

Because the location is great, the campus is beautiful, Boston and the mountains are an hour away, Portsmouth and the beaches are even closer and Durham is a great town.

Because the Whitt is still a MUCH better facility than most in college hockey and the atmosphere is virtually unmatched in its prime and being the player who brings that back would be epic.

Because elite kids are dying to verbal and being the first one to ask carries A LOT of weight. The first elite kid will attract another then another (assuming you don't land one and sit on your hands...)

Because UNH has a history of turning average forwards into top talents and top forwards into Hobey candidates.

Because at all positions UNH plays a fast-paced game revolving around skating and skill and produces gaudy offensive production.

Because there is opportunity for immediate playing time and the ability to make an impact or lead the team as a FR.

Because UNH has sent a lot of players to very successful pro careers - and despite recent struggles still currently boasts NHLers in JVR, TVR, Pesce, Winnik and Smith with Thompson, Sislo, TK and Poturalski sniffing the fringes...

Because UNH hockey has such a family atmosphere that I lost count of how many alumni - most who were nowhere near actually playing with Josh Ciocco - are financially assisting him in his health scare.

Because it's DI hockey with significant scholarship money available.

Because they play in the deepest and most competitive hockey conference in the country. And they (used to) consistently play one of the most challenging non-conference schedules, which meant you'd be on TV and in front of a number of scouts almost every night.

There is SO much to sell at UNH - they just need a good salesman, good coaching and strong athletic department support. You could question whether they have any at the moment. That's what's hurting recruiting. Not UNH and what it has to offer. The people doing the job. Perhaps Souza is the right guy once he's or from under Umile's thumb, but that is lookin less and less likely. The right guy recruits too and wins at UNH, without any problems...

It may be easier to win at other schools. Maybe out of 100 coaches 95 could win at a very good level at BC or BU and only 65 could at UNH. That's still pretty good odds. Support the program as an AD and ensure you have one of those 65 'right guy' coaches. Then enjoy the winning and great recruiting..

Hastings is winning at Minnesota St - a place where it was 'impossible' to win just a few years ago. Bergeron is turning BG around - a place where it was so hard to win they almost cut the program. Pearson won at Tech - a place where it was 'impossible' to win forever! Murray has WMU as a power - despite the fact that it used to be a place where you just couldn't compete. Blaise turned Omaha into a recruiting destination - before his arrival no one wanted to play there and they didn't win. Blast lands top talent at Miami - before he arrived it was 'impossible' to attract recruits to a losing program in the middle of no where.

It's not the school, admissions, facilities or the record. AD support, coaching, recruiting and actually believing you're worth a **** is what wins. UNH is missing THAT.

If UNH admin and coaches continue to half-heartedly support the program, be satisfied with the coaching and recruiting we're seeing today, whine about what the university doesn't haveor worse, whine about not winning while doing zip to increase the chances of...winning...this is who they'll always be.
 
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I'd not go so far to say things are not good at UNH. The indicators of recruiting are, by many meansures, not positive.
Two important caveats:
1.The classes are not full, and perhaps UNH can pull in a late superior recruit, as per Gildon or Wyse. Not conventional or comfortable (think leaving studying to night before test), but perhaps its how Souza works.
2."general ratings" are not the end-all to telling how the players will actually perform. While the distribtuion of early commits seems to track well with the actual standings, there is one outlier -- lowell. A few coaches have the ability to spot talent not generally well-known. Lowell's team has excelled on the untraditional model. Grant Standbrook pulled kids out of nowhere. Perhaps we can be another outlier????? Some of Souza's recent recruits (Verrier) have shown more promise than when they first got their ratings.

For as unhappy as I am about the lack of a proven track record, let's see how they do at UNH before making a final concluding that UNH is off track. Call me skeptical, but open minded.

Be consistent, however. Don't get excited when we get a top recruit, like Commesso or Gildon.

But if you want to do live by Neutral Zone ratings, for 2018 and beyond, Sweeney, Pierson and Verrier are midlin 3.5 ratings, and Wazny 3.75.
 
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I'd not go so far to say things are not good at UNH. The indicators of recruiting are, by many meansures, not positive.
Two important caveats:
1.The classes are not full, and perhaps UNH can pull in a late superior recruit, as per Gildon or Wyse. Not conventional or comfortable (think leaving studying to night before test), but perhaps its how Souza works.
2."general ratings" are not the end-all to telling how the players will actually perform. While the distribtuion of early commits seems to track well with the actual standings, there is one outlier -- lowell. A few coaches have the ability to spot talent not generally well-known. Lowell's team has excelled on the untraditional model. Grant Standbrook pulled kids out of nowhere. Perhaps we can be another outlier????? Some of Souza's recent recruits (Verrier) have shown more promise than when they first got their ratings.

For as unhappy as I am about the lack of a proven track record, let's see how they do at UNH before making a final concluding that UNH is off track. Call me skeptical, but open minded.

But if you want to do live by Neutral Zone ratings, for 2018 and beyond, Sweeney, Pierson and Verrier are midlin 3.5 ratings, and Wazny 3.75.

I'd rather rank kids by how many NCAA college coaches affirm their impact ability by offering scholarships than a pay-for-content website who has a vested business interest in ranking every kid 'highly'.

Lowell recruits a lot more 'proven track-record' kids than they ever get credit for. They fish in different pools and offer later than most - they have earned the benefit of the doubt with not only the performance of their recruits, but the ability of their coaching staff to maximize talent, effort and development. There's a reason it's so notable - few coaches have the ability to win that way. Bazin is an outlier and expecting others to pull off what he does is very unlikely IMO...

At Maine Standbrook pulled elite talent, not random kids, out of nowhere. They weren't recruiting 2 stars and turning them into Hobey candidates. They were getting GUYS. Recruiting was entirely different then, when spending time on the road and going to off the grid cities and games was a moneyball type factor. He went the extra mile to get talent - that's why he's a legend. Thats not the approach we're seeing here...

You really don't think things are bad when we're left hoping for last minute recruiting miracles or that Souza is actual just the next Bazin (a complete and utter unicorn in terms of NCAA coaches). You can cram for a test at the last minute once or twice and get by - you're not graduating cum laude with that approach...

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UNH's recruiting pipeline for me is Crookshank, Wazny and a bunch of the kind of kids you might expect to take a shot at late in recruiting. Late bloomers, raw kids and bottom six/pairing types are the kids you grab lad. You don't sit around hoping blue chippers land in your lap. Chase talent early, round things out later. UNH is doing the opposite...
 
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

You really don't think things are bad when we're left hoping for last minute recruiting miracles or that Souza is actual just the next Bazin (a complete and utter unicorn in terms of NCAA coaches). You can cram for a test at the last minute once or twice and get by - you're not graduating cum laude with that approach...

Yes, but as a parent or supporter, even when you know the kid is screwed going into the exam, you have to encourage them rather than crush them going into the exam. We've haranged Mike enough about the refusal to study all year round. Now that the test is here, we should send him off to class with a "give it your best shot, you never know...." and wait for the report card to come in the mail.
 
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