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UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
I disagree with the ratings, as the 2016 class is a decent class probably closer to 9th, ahead of Merrimack and Vermont, probably a bit higher than Maine.
However, as far as "nowhere to go but up", our 2017 and 2018 classes are very substandard, and trending downward. I'm sure a plan exists somewhere, just no results to see yet.
I disagree with the ratings, as the 2016 class is a decent class probably closer to 9th, ahead of Merrimack and Vermont, probably a bit higher than Maine.
However, as far as "nowhere to go but up", our 2017 and 2018 classes are very substandard, and trending downward. I'm sure a plan exists somewhere, just no results to see yet.
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Curious what intrigues you in UNH's class outside Blackburn, Grasso and Wyse (if he stays healthy). van Riemsdyk was only mediocre in USPHL. I'll add that a few players are good, but it doesn't do anything to address needs, as I posted.
Curious what intrigues you in UNH's class outside Blackburn, Grasso and Wyse (if he stays healthy). van Riemsdyk was only mediocre in USPHL. I'll add that a few players are good, but it doesn't do anything to address needs, as I posted.
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Fregona is going to be a good scorer as a junior/senior. Between Blackburn and him, and potential in Grasso, they have more upside than Merrimack and similar to Maine (Pearson & Pappalardo). I'd put Wyse and Hollway about the same. Not sure I see much upside in Merrimack's class. U.Conn really only has one above average guy, Huska.
Fregona is going to be a good scorer as a junior/senior. Between Blackburn and him, and potential in Grasso, they have more upside than Merrimack and similar to Maine (Pearson & Pappalardo). I'd put Wyse and Hollway about the same. Not sure I see much upside in Merrimack's class. U.Conn really only has one above average guy, Huska.
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Welp nowhere to go but up!! And it's Kelleher not Keller...
I think that Jeff still had BU recruit Clayton Keller's name on his brain when he finally got to UNH at the end of his report. Maybe Maller will be injury-free and surprise on our blueline this season?
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Yeah that's my take as well just having some fun with it...And am hoping the same for Maller.
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CollegeHockeyRinkReport
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
I think it was just a silly autocorrect and poor proofreading on my part. Thanks for pointing it out. It has been fixed.
I think it was just a silly autocorrect and poor proofreading on my part. Thanks for pointing it out. It has been fixed.
At first glance, I'd also argue UNH is too low - but after the top handful the rest of the groups rankings get pretty subjective and I'm more concerned with who the players are now and the next couple years than who was drafted. I'll look closer when I get home...
This certainly jumped out at me though! Unfortunately, being a good recruiter requires more than the ability to point out the top talent on the profile sheet. That's the easy part. Good recruiters land players. Higher end players aren't choosing UNH anymore, because the recruiting isn't as good anymore...
To paraphrase the movie 'Little Big League' - "let's let them win a few before we put them in the hall of fame..."
This certainly jumped out at me though! Unfortunately, being a good recruiter requires more than the ability to point out the top talent on the profile sheet. That's the easy part. Good recruiters land players. Higher end players aren't choosing UNH anymore, because the recruiting isn't as good anymore...
To paraphrase the movie 'Little Big League' - "let's let them win a few before we put them in the hall of fame..."
Chuck Murray
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... and the recruiting isn't as good anymore because the program has been backsliding for the last decade plus, and the guys in charge (Umile and his current and post-McCloskey assistants) just aren't convincing kids to believe in them and their program anymore. And Providence and UMass Lowell have stepped into the vacuum and taken the place of UNH and UMaine.
No overnight solutions out there, other than really really hard work and maybe getting a couple of breaks.
... and the recruiting isn't as good anymore because the program has been backsliding for the last decade plus, and the guys in charge (Umile and his current and post-McCloskey assistants) just aren't convincing kids to believe in them and their program anymore. And Providence and UMass Lowell have stepped into the vacuum and taken the place of UNH and UMaine.
No overnight solutions out there, other than really really hard work and maybe getting a couple of breaks.
Has UVM taken some kids you would have gotten in the past as well? It almost seems to me that around the time they came in the league is when UNH started going downhill.
Biggest name decommits in recent years have gone to DU, Union, PC, and UConn, if memory serves, and red shirt senior and sophomore transfer have gone to Quinnipiac; there must be others that I am missing.
E.J. Smith
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I’ve never seen UVM as a player in UNH’s decline. I’d say it’s a mix of self-inflicted laziness and the upswing of UML and PC, with the bulk of it being the former.
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Class of 2020:
http://www.unhwildcats.com/news/2016/8/5/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-class-of-2020.aspx
Class of 2020:
http://www.unhwildcats.com/news/2016/8/5/mens-ice-hockey-mens-hockey-announces-class-of-2020.aspx
Chuck Murray
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Complacency, self-inflicted laziness ... pretty synonymous, six of one, half dozen of another.
I think the *death* of the Old Man of the Mountains has more to do with UNH's fall than UVM (and that's zip).
Complacency, self-inflicted laziness ... pretty synonymous, six of one, half dozen of another.
I think the *death* of the Old Man of the Mountains has more to do with UNH's fall than UVM (and that's zip).
Actually, just the reverse, I think. Thomas Vanek was shown a photo of the Old Man of the Mountain when he was a little boy growing up in Austria, which for some bizarre reason infuriated him. Maybe he thought that the Old Man was constructed by aliens? In any case, being the only non-Minnesota-born player on the Gopher team in 2002-2003, he made demise of the Old Man a cause like no other, and a little less than three weeks after he stuck daggers into the hearts of Cats fans in Buffalo, the Old Man came tumbling down, succumbing to Vanek's voodoo pins.
The Old Man in the Mountains may have crumbled but the Indian Head just down the road proudly remains intact. Bring back the likes of Guy Smith, Jay Silverheels nephew, and the road to an NC will begin anew!
For those newbies who don't know Guy Smith or Jay Silverheels, well, Silverheels was Tonto
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Silverheels
Guy Smith played with DU.
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
I just have to say, that I feel you have way under projected for this group. I say 6-7, granted you and certainly others know more about recruits. It certainly lacks bue chippers but they are more mature and capable than you projection. We will see as the years role on. They will be lead by the 2 very under experienced upper classes. Just not a lot of ice and therefore goals in these 2 classes. Certainly a trend of late at UNH but a true aberration this year. Size will affect this class with only 3vR able to anchor a line in this class. I love their skill sets but as I said they will suffer from having to produce quickly as freshmen. We need to upgrade the next 2 classes or they will really struggle. Liam is the obvious go to but 3vR will grow into a solid contributor and PG and JF will not disappoint.
I just have to say, that I feel you have way under projected for this group. I say 6-7, granted you and certainly others know more about recruits. It certainly lacks bue chippers but they are more mature and capable than you projection. We will see as the years role on. They will be lead by the 2 very under experienced upper classes. Just not a lot of ice and therefore goals in these 2 classes. Certainly a trend of late at UNH but a true aberration this year. Size will affect this class with only 3vR able to anchor a line in this class. I love their skill sets but as I said they will suffer from having to produce quickly as freshmen. We need to upgrade the next 2 classes or they will really struggle. Liam is the obvious go to but 3vR will grow into a solid contributor and PG and JF will not disappoint.
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
In a perfect world/season the offense fares ok even with the loss of Poturalski as TyK, Eiserman and Vela have monster years. 2nd year Nazarian/Miller along with Mc Nick find the back of the net as well as DMan Capt. Cleland. Dylan Maller and newbie Wyse contribute and we finally see what Dylan Chanter is capable of, not to mention Matt Dawson with a years experience under his belt. Add to this are the new guys you speak of who will indeed get major ice time (trial by fire?) so I think that we might be ok. (relative term at this stage of the game) Question is... once again this season...will we be able to skate the puck out of the zone and support whoever is in net. Seems like a very important element that has to come through in recruiting in future classes. We wait and see...
In a perfect world/season the offense fares ok even with the loss of Poturalski as TyK, Eiserman and Vela have monster years. 2nd year Nazarian/Miller along with Mc Nick find the back of the net as well as DMan Capt. Cleland. Dylan Maller and newbie Wyse contribute and we finally see what Dylan Chanter is capable of, not to mention Matt Dawson with a years experience under his belt. Add to this are the new guys you speak of who will indeed get major ice time (trial by fire?) so I think that we might be ok. (relative term at this stage of the game) Question is... once again this season...will we be able to skate the puck out of the zone and support whoever is in net. Seems like a very important element that has to come through in recruiting in future classes. We wait and see...
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After the Whistle
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Love the optimism and I am excited to see what they can do. They do need to step up on D in ways that we have not consistently seen of late. Not sure why this personnel has done so poorly. I wonder if the D has had the most effective coaching in recent years. I thought the short tenure with the Torts gave us some of the best defensive looks that we have had in the last 8-10 years. Can 3 forwards translate D effectively to these young guys? Not sure that they have the same view and philosophy that a former D-man or goalie might have.
Love the optimism and I am excited to see what they can do. They do need to step up on D in ways that we have not consistently seen of late. Not sure why this personnel has done so poorly. I wonder if the D has had the most effective coaching in recent years. I thought the short tenure with the Torts gave us some of the best defensive looks that we have had in the last 8-10 years. Can 3 forwards translate D effectively to these young guys? Not sure that they have the same view and philosophy that a former D-man or goalie might have.
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