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UNH 2024/2025 Goldberg Edition

I don't fault the people pointing out the shortcomings in facilities...there are only so many levers you can pull...but that is not a leading cause of UNH's failure/mediocrity. Examples abound of coaches who have been able find success with minimal resource or institutional backing (look at Pecknold's history at QU). As Chuck has pointed out repeatedly, you first create success and the resources follow, not vice versa.
 
Take a look at the flagships facilities after they won their Natty...took Carvil (sp) what 3,4 seasons? Also remember his conditions to come from St.L...he laid out how he'd turn that program around and did it. Oh and didn't he have an assistant whose last name is Barr? 😆

Of course it helps that he had a kid named Makar waiting for him...
2013hockeyfan said:
I don't fault the people pointing out the shortcomings in facilities...there are only so many levers you can pull...but that is not a leading cause of UNH's failure/mediocrity. Examples abound of coaches who have been able find success with minimal resource or institutional backing (look at Pecknold's history at QU). As Chuck has pointed out repeatedly, you first create success and the resources follow, not vice versa.
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TheGrouchyCat said:
Yes:

Chairman of the UNH Athletics Advisory Board (2019-Current)
Executive Committee Member, Dean's Executive Advisory Board (2016-Current)
Interim Dean of UNH Manchester (2014-2016)
Board of Directors, UNH Alumni Association (2004-2014)
President, UNH Alumni Association Board of Directors (2011-2013)

No bias here...
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That's a huge tank of Kool Aid...!
 
2013hockeyfan said:
I don't fault the people pointing out the shortcomings in facilities...there are only so many levers you can pull...but that is not a leading cause of UNH's failure/mediocrity. Examples abound of coaches who have been able find success with minimal resource or institutional backing (look at Pecknold's history at QU). As Chuck has pointed out repeatedly, you first create success and the resources follow, not vice versa.
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Umile had winning teams in the early 90's before the Whitt was built. I don't remember when in the early 90's it was announced that a new arena was on the horizon.
 
Scott said:
Umile had winning teams in the early 90's before the Whitt was built. I don't remember when in the early 90's it was announced that a new arena was on the horizon.
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The needed upgrades to Whitt should have begun the planning process and fundraising at least 10 years ago.

When did Noah build the Ark? Before the flood...
 
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Potluck said:
JB: your suggestion that it's Mike Souza's job to build a new arena is bizarre. I'm no longer a Souza fan but holy cow. I find it incredible that you don't think the University should have an athletic facilities development strategy helmed by experienced people. You think the coaches should build their teams facilities?
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Well you apparently aren't that bright. Winning builds facilities, not complaining with a losing team.

Souza as a coach isn't great at recruiting, isn't great at coaching, isn't great at normal fan service. His only demonstrated skills are complaining about facilities and getting a TDL donation, apparently not getting anymore money since project still hasn't started. From that view stop complaining and go do fund raising. I am making the assumption Souza actually has the drive to be successful, maybe I am wrong and he is perfectly happy (looking miserable on the bench) losing all the time. He is the GM of a failing program with one discernable skill, so go use it to get the money for the upgrades.

Look there is a reason Dick Umile says hi to me every time he see me, I doubt he know my name. Umile, every single year went to a fall meeting of the Durham Great Bay Rotary Club and talked at the 7 am breakfast meeting as the guest speaker. Every year my father (a club member) would have me as his guest, and it became a running joke when guests were introduced. So why did Umile go talk at that breakfast meeting? Well Rotary is a Club of community leaders, business owners, etc. That was just one of the many ways Umile made a point to do fan service. There is a reason the Friends of Hockey existed until Umile retired. Umile knew the power of having a group of devoted fans fundraising for his program.

Souza apparently doesn't get it. He is a ghost at fan events. I am guessing he caused/let the friends die because he didn't want to do fan events (hence ghost).

There is a pattern however.
- Umile coached 3 above .500 teams including one NCAA trip before the Whit was announced the spring of 1993 (philanthropic gift)
- Ben Barr gets to Maine shows 3 consecutive improving seasons including a NCAA trip then Maine announces upgrades to Alfond (philanthropic gift)
- Umass-Lowell opens $5M upgrade for all athletics including Hockey in 2021 after Lowell has a run of great years including 3 LT, 5 NCAA trips and one to the Frozen 4 (philanthropic gift)
- Umass Amherst announce plans for a $2M hockey locker room upgrade in 2021 after 2 runs to the Frozen 4 including a national title (philanthropic gift)

Potluck do you see the pattern. WIN (really get to the NCAAs) and you get upgrades via philanthropic gifts. Not the state dumping a ton of money into a failing program, people giving to a winning one.

So Souza really has two choices, start doing better at his job as the coach and get to the NCAAs. Or start doing better getting money for a team that isn't winning yet. Either way I would love him to stop being a victim and be accountable to getting results.
 
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TheGrouchyCat said:
And, strategic organizations plan for inevitable infrastructure maintenance and upgrades well ahead of when they're actually needed.
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Don’t get in the way JB is on a roll. He thinks new arenas and renovations should be funded by private money at a state school. Of course he forgot that the State built the Whitt and it had nothing to do with Umiles coaching record. Snively was cooked, the bball team was playing in a high school gym and the state thought a multi- purpose facility was the way to go.

New Hampshire being, well, New Hampshire they never calculated the costs of having a bull gang transform the building between sports and ended up keeping the hoop team playing in its present dump.

oh, and when the team was winning big 15 years ago no private or public money was solicited to, you know, keep the facilities current or, heaven forbid, ahead of the pack. So very UNH. No upgrades. Just ride it into the ground. And here we are.
 
JB said:
As illustrated above - winning teams get upgrades not losing ones.
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Hey JB how’s the UNH men’s soccer facility doing? How about the increase in salary for the coach who was a native of Durham? What’s Marc Hubbards upgraded salary at UNH now?

After all, winning teams get upgrades and winning coaches get the salaries they deserve, right?
 
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