Oh, right, just three. When was the last time with three new head coaches to begin a new season?
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UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
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Oh, right, just three. When was the last time with three new head coaches to begin a new season?
Re: UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
2013-14: Gendron, Quinn, Cavanaugh (UConn's last year in AHA)
2011-12: Bazin, Leaman, Madigan
2013-14: Gendron, Quinn, Cavanaugh (UConn's last year in AHA)
2011-12: Bazin, Leaman, Madigan
Only 2 at CC and 2 with Miami at the Whitt are posted on FlagDUDE's spreadsheet so far.
Thanks for reminder about these other six HEA HC transitions, which means that only York and Sneddon have been HC of their teams for more than eight seasons?
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LOL - twitter (Mark Divver) reporting White changes his mind and will stay with Winnipeg. So they waited and waited only to be stood up...
And now two months after the season ended they're starting over. So much for 'definitely wanting to move quickly for recruiting purposes'...
And now two months after the season ended they're starting over. So much for 'definitely wanting to move quickly for recruiting purposes'...
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Nick Papagiorgio
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Epic post. Without a doubt one of your all-time best. I'm slowly coming around to your way of thinking. Three paid assistants is an NCAA max not a requirement and UNH, a piddly school not even in Boston should feel fortunate to even have two. Thank you for your continuous efforts in making me aware of the hard and fast pecking order!
BC gets recruits who's attitude BU doesn't want to deal with. UNH gets the scraps - coaches and recruits - and none of it is even worth posting about (or will ever change). And Mack is lucky to even exist in HE as a bottom feeder. What would we do without you and your campaign to assert your own program's superiority, as well as what the rest of us are allowed to discuss or expect...!!!!!!!
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Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Someone has lost their fastball!
If you wish to exist here solely as a troll - be better, diversify. That's all.
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Wait. We all were skeptical that White was a salesman, for all his skills, and said salesmanship not talent evaluation was needed. Jets must have wanted to keep him.
The process didn’t work as hoped, but the result is the critical thing. Go back and get a known salesman.
As yesterday shows, we already have good enough connections to nab the Malden/Austin Prep kids. We need deeper connections elsewhere.
Sox wanted Billy Bean in 2002 and had to settle for Theo. Two months is not a major delay, so now get it done right
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It will actually be 12 weeks (plus three years knowing the hire was coming) on Saturday and I disagree that it's not a major delay - for a number of reasons. It's why all the other (later) openings around college hockey were filled so quickly - because having a full staffs is critical.
I wouldn't have liked a White hire - I may or may not like who they end up hiring - but that is not incongruent with the idea that Souza should be moving quickly and urgently on whoever he thinks is the right guy. Or that his guy should be eager and committed immediately. That has been my point all along...
As I said before, when White decided he needed more time to be around for the Cup run or to make his decision or whatever. He should have been told, no hard feelings, you're not the right guy at the right time and we're moving on...
Is there a second candidate ready to step in and accept the job or does the search reset and we're looking at another four weeks (and nearly an entire summer lost)? Whoever the next guy is (and he really should have the name he wants) it should happen ASAP - because the program needs a third assistant, during the summer recruiting period...
Yes, hopefully (and maybe) they will end up with the right guy and a great assistant. But the process to date...
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
No big loss. Just makes his old buddy Souza look a little silly, that's all.
Agree with 'Watcher. If the second dip in the assistant's pool - this time not clouded by the buddy-buddy issue - nets the guy who gives this program a much-needed boot in the arse, then it will have been worth it. Seems like Mike and Stu were doing pretty well without MW (and DU) anyway.
And if this pushes Souza off his buddy-buddy mindset for the future, all the better.
… now watch him go hire Mark Mowers …
No big loss. Just makes his old buddy Souza look a little silly, that's all.
Agree with 'Watcher. If the second dip in the assistant's pool - this time not clouded by the buddy-buddy issue - nets the guy who gives this program a much-needed boot in the arse, then it will have been worth it. Seems like Mike and Stu were doing pretty well without MW (and DU) anyway.
And if this pushes Souza off his buddy-buddy mindset for the future, all the better.
… now watch him go hire Mark Mowers …
Re: UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
Not much has changed for UNH’s long-term recruiting outlook, despite another late, last-minute flurry for the upcoming season.
Hockey East Recruits for 2019 and beyond…
Northeastern – 25
Boston College – 17
Boston University – 17
Providence – 16
Vermont – 15
Maine – 15
Connecticut - 13
Lowell – 11
UMass – 10*
UNH – 8
Merrimack – 6**
* UM will have 20-some FR/SO this upcoming season
** MC quantity will increase rapidly w/ Borek at the helm
(UNH's 'company' at the rear end of this list is even deceiving)
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MacKinnon is a nice, physical, stay-at-home defenseman who fell in their lap when it didn’t work out with another school. The key quote from his profile on C-H-C’s blog was regarding UNH having a need and ‘the means to fill that need’. Meaning, they were one of the only schools left with money he wanted…
Engaras is a mystery who seems to have some real skill from Europe. If there have been any real positive developments in terms of recruiting this summer, it’s a continued willingness to go to Europe and to move on 18 year olds immediately. But they need to start moving some real volume if they want to make a difference for the future. Just a handful of high-skill recruits will put us in the exact same position we’ve been in for the last five years. They need to start adding ‘many’ of this type and a third recruiter would be very helpful to doing so during, this, the busiest recruiting period of the year…
Curran put up a lot of points at the 16U level – playing the entire season at 16.5-17 years old (he turned 17 in January). He is a wait and see what he does in Jr hockey type. We’ll see. If I was guessing right now, I’d hope he can be a Nazarian type of producer (21 G, 51 P in three seasons)…
Last few weeks were a good start, not a solution. Much more work to do.
Not much has changed for UNH’s long-term recruiting outlook, despite another late, last-minute flurry for the upcoming season.
Hockey East Recruits for 2019 and beyond…
Northeastern – 25
Boston College – 17
Boston University – 17
Providence – 16
Vermont – 15
Maine – 15
Connecticut - 13
Lowell – 11
UMass – 10*
UNH – 8
Merrimack – 6**
* UM will have 20-some FR/SO this upcoming season
** MC quantity will increase rapidly w/ Borek at the helm
(UNH's 'company' at the rear end of this list is even deceiving)
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MacKinnon is a nice, physical, stay-at-home defenseman who fell in their lap when it didn’t work out with another school. The key quote from his profile on C-H-C’s blog was regarding UNH having a need and ‘the means to fill that need’. Meaning, they were one of the only schools left with money he wanted…
Engaras is a mystery who seems to have some real skill from Europe. If there have been any real positive developments in terms of recruiting this summer, it’s a continued willingness to go to Europe and to move on 18 year olds immediately. But they need to start moving some real volume if they want to make a difference for the future. Just a handful of high-skill recruits will put us in the exact same position we’ve been in for the last five years. They need to start adding ‘many’ of this type and a third recruiter would be very helpful to doing so during, this, the busiest recruiting period of the year…
Curran put up a lot of points at the 16U level – playing the entire season at 16.5-17 years old (he turned 17 in January). He is a wait and see what he does in Jr hockey type. We’ll see. If I was guessing right now, I’d hope he can be a Nazarian type of producer (21 G, 51 P in three seasons)…
Last few weeks were a good start, not a solution. Much more work to do.
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d.gerry
Five for Fighting
Re: UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
Waiting weeks to announce your new assistant, then he bolts, looks more than silly. Has the look of a rookie coach who can't close the deal. You would assume Souza had White's word on this, or why wait so long. If he didn't, why wait at all? Either way it's a bad look for Mike. If there was a handshake agreement with White, I guess it goes to his character a bit, so losing out on him probably isn't a bad thing in the long run. Dan was spot on, should have moved on weeks ago when he wouldn't commit.
Waiting weeks to announce your new assistant, then he bolts, looks more than silly. Has the look of a rookie coach who can't close the deal. You would assume Souza had White's word on this, or why wait so long. If he didn't, why wait at all? Either way it's a bad look for Mike. If there was a handshake agreement with White, I guess it goes to his character a bit, so losing out on him probably isn't a bad thing in the long run. Dan was spot on, should have moved on weeks ago when he wouldn't commit.
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Oops, Jim Tortorella already taken, by Mack; snooze, you looze.
Oops, Jim Tortorella already taken, by Mack; snooze, you looze.
He was the other hot name when the position posted. He is another close friend of Souza, Chuck - and one without a single day of experience coaching and recruiting above the prep level...
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I know I've been beating the drum for Souza to get his guy in place - but after thinking about it. If I'm Souza, at this point (12 weeks later) and assuming the next guy on his list is CC or similar, I'm at least taking the time to find out if Albie O'Connell will be passed over at BU and, if so, he'd have a pillow landing spot if he felt like he might not get retained by the next BU coach...
Same situation for David Carle at DU, actually.
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?
Despite the "innovative" three year plan put in place by the genius in the corner office, the fact of the matter is, Coach Souza is still basically a rookie head coach. His predecessor never really gave up the reins to his position until he was literally walking out the door. Now his buddy MW goes all Hamlet on him. There are many more rookie mistakes to be made, I'm sure. This is why I've been saying all along that the UNH Hockey program hasn't hit bottom yet, and it won't turn around until MS (or his successor, or God forbid his successor's successor) inject some urgency AND competency to make this all work.
Recent events also make me question why we've seen the snail's pace of the in-season recruiting these last few years, which now seems to be routinely followed by the late-season rush for what's left? One of two explanations - neither good - one, DU held him back (which seems to make no sense on its surface, but … ), and two, maybe Souza and Stu just aren't that good at recruiting the front line prospects? And even when they did (Commesso) they found a way to mess that up (rookie mistake?).
It will be fascinating to see how the next few seasons play out, as we'll be seeing a parallel universe of sorts playing out less than an hour away in North Andover, where what can probably be fairly described as BS35+6's "Plan B" coaching team (Borek, Tortorella and Ciocco) will be going ahead with the "Plan A" dream team of Souza, Stewart, and <s>White</s> someone else. I'd propose this will serve as a referendum on our esteemed AD's savvy, and a chance for him to prove to naysayers (like me and a few others) that he really does know what he's doing with the UNH Hockey program. Or to look like an idiot.
I'd rather look like an idiot with a perennial winning team on the ice in Durham. I can live with that.
Despite the "innovative" three year plan put in place by the genius
in the corner office, the fact of the matter is, Coach Souza is still basically a rookie head coach. His predecessor never really gave up the reins to his position until he was literally walking out the door. Now his buddy MW goes all Hamlet on him. There are many more rookie mistakes to be made, I'm sure. This is why I've been saying all along that the UNH Hockey program hasn't hit bottom yet, and it won't turn around until MS (or his successor, or God forbid his successor's successor) inject some urgency AND competency to make this all work.Recent events also make me question why we've seen the snail's pace of the in-season recruiting these last few years, which now seems to be routinely followed by the late-season rush for what's left? One of two explanations - neither good - one, DU held him back (which seems to make no sense on its surface, but … ), and two, maybe Souza and Stu just aren't that good at recruiting the front line prospects? And even when they did (Commesso) they found a way to mess that up (rookie mistake?).
It will be fascinating to see how the next few seasons play out, as we'll be seeing a parallel universe of sorts playing out less than an hour away in North Andover, where what can probably be fairly described as BS35+6's "Plan B" coaching team (Borek, Tortorella and Ciocco) will be going ahead with the "Plan A" dream team of Souza, Stewart, and <s>White</s> someone else. I'd propose this will serve as a referendum on our esteemed AD's savvy, and a chance for him to prove to naysayers (like me and a few others) that he really does know what he's doing with the UNH Hockey program. Or to look like an idiot.
I'd rather look like an idiot with a perennial winning team on the ice in Durham. I can live with that.
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