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UNH 2018-19: Souza The Opportunity

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Once upon a time, beating a team like BC would be worth something. Not anymore. I will hide in some corner of the Whitt on December 30th. Should be about 5500 empty seats of my choice that night. :-)

Hard to move up when nearly all of your team's competition is bad also, including most of the other HEA teams. Remember those days when we would play a couple of powerhouse Midwest teams, like Nodak, the Gophers, the Wolverines, etc, for weekend series in October? Now those teams are bad, too. Think where our PWR would be if we had even split with UMass-Flagship. At least those two games have propped up our SOS (e.cat's new SOG). Two against PC will soon help also.

As I suggested here before, I do not think our cupcake OOC schedules the past few seasons had much to do with the NRN, but rather good teams did/do not want to schedule us, as that would wreck their SOS and PWR.

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Pretty good BVR story in JVRs recent Player's Tribune article...

"The recognition (in Toronto) comes with perks — just not always for yourself. Like sometimes I’d go out with my youngest brother, who looks quite a bit like me, and if I went to the bathroom, by the time I came back, he’d have people buying him drinks and taking selfies with him. He never bothered to correct them."

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/james-van-riemsdyk-nhl

Good story. Similar to Jim Whittaker, first American to climb Mt Everest in 1963, whose twin brother Lou covered for him when Jim was tired of incessant speaking engagements.
 
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Pierson was in the tunnel during the second period along with CK. Didn't see Dawson anywhere but we have at least 3 slinged guys at this point. These kids are really putting it all on the line. Can't believe the effort from all of them. So glad Patrick got the monkey off his back, he looked very relieved.
Couldn't agree more. Boy, was that a gutsy win - haven't seen one like that in years. A shaky first period with two starters out with injuries, two more out during the game, they turn it around: lines are shuffled, they go 5/5 on penalty kill, Robinson blocking, Grasso scoring, Blackburn hustling, Miller flying .... an exhausting and exhilarating win.
 
Once upon a time, beating a team like BC would be worth something. Not anymore. I will hide in some corner of the Whitt on December 30th. Should be about 5500 empty seats of my choice that night. :-)

Hard to move up when nearly all of your team's competition is bad also, including most of the other HEA teams. Remember those days when we would play a couple of powerhouse Midwest teams, like Nodak, the Gophers, the Wolverines, etc, for weekend series in October? Now those teams are bad, too. Think where our PWR would be if we had even split with UMass-Flagship. At least those two games have propped up our SOS (e.cat's new SOG). Two against PC will soon help also.

As I suggested here before, I do not think our cupcake OOC schedules the past few seasons had much to do with the NRN, but rather good teams did/do not want to schedule us, as that would wreck their SOS and PWR.

Nothing succeeds like success. A couple of OOC cupcake wins can go a long way to help confidence. Unfortunately (fortunately for UNH) for Miami that didn't play out this weekend.

SOS rules for now but that can change;) SOG is always lurking in the shadows!

Actually, even though Miami was/is a ranked team, they may have been the cupcake this weekend!
 
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After watching both games this weekend I was most thrilled at the urgency with which they played. They also actually put someone in front of the net on the power play so changes are happening. Also noticed that although Max is a good player he still makes too many rookie mistakes and still doesn't seem to skate very hard when needed. He made many wrong choices when attempting passes out of the defensive zone. I know this has been discussed much already but after watching the team with and without him, I am not as impressed with his ability to fit in with the team as they are must faster without him. Enough. I thought both of the goalies made great saves, especially Taylor on a few one on none breakouts. Overall, a very exciting atmosphere at the Whit that I haven't seen in years, even though there were very few people there to experience it.
 
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Max is a terrific player and his + are far greater than minuses. He is double teamed most of the time and this opens up others in the zone. I wish we had 6 Max Gildon's for our defense. I hope Maass is on the mend.
 
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Angus Crookshank earns HE rookie of the week honors for his 3 point antics over the weekend well deserved!!
 
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I don’t think anyone is taking away from Max’s talent level. But I think anyone with eyes can see that he makes glaring mistakes at a seemingly higher rate than the other D on this team. Most of his mistakes come from him being very indecisive in his breakout moves from the defensive end. Opposing teams know his talent level and adjust by applying pressure to him more quickly causing more miscues. If I were the coaching staff I would be working with him on making quicker decisions that do not lead to him back skating behind his own net and turning the puck over as we saw this weekend. His talents are being challenged so now they need to work on him better utilizing his talents. Take a look at Wyse when he carries the puck, he is decisive and attacks the zone with speed and uses his size. This leads to much more success than Max has had this year where he is trying to be patient and waiting too long for something to develop. There needs to be collaboration between him and the coaches to find more success, that’s all there is to it. I believe he can do it, but so far there have been too many mistakes and miscues for someone of his talent level.
 
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I don’t think anyone is taking away from Max’s talent level. But I think anyone with eyes can see that he makes glaring mistakes at a seemingly higher rate than the other D on this team. Most of his mistakes come from him being very indecisive in his breakout moves from the defensive end. Opposing teams know his talent level and adjust by applying pressure to him more quickly causing more miscues. If I were the coaching staff I would be working with him on making quicker decisions that do not lead to him back skating behind his own net and turning the puck over as we saw this weekend. His talents are being challenged so now they need to work on him better utilizing his talents. Take a look at Wyse when he carries the puck, he is decisive and attacks the zone with speed and uses his size. This leads to much more success than Max has had this year where he is trying to be patient and waiting too long for something to develop. There needs to be collaboration between him and the coaches to find more success, that’s all there is to it. I believe he can do it, but so far there have been too many mistakes and miscues for someone of his talent level.

Agreed, and better stated than my assessment.
 
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How many minutes does Wise toll on the power play? He has been bringing the puck through the zone and is a great skater and wonderful defensemen. He also has the second best defensemen on the team in Maass as his sidekick. I like them all but Max is our best offensive defensemen and he does carry the puck through the zone and in the offensive zone. His defense is very good. It was not Max's fault entirely for BU and Robinson did save his butt once this weekend. Max is the top drafted player on UNH and that is for good reason.

I do hope that Pierson, Maass and Charley will be back soon.
 
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Best offensive defenseman or not he is still making a lot of mistakes that are shutting down otherwise great opportunities. I can point out mistakes and problems without it meaning I think he is a terrible player. You ask me how many minutes Wyse plays on the power play, a lot less than max. I ask you how many times Wyse has tripped over his own skates or turned over the puck while back skating into his own end? I will say it right alongside with you, max is a great player, but there are continuing issues to his game that should be addressed
 
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How many minutes does Wise toll on the power play? He has been bringing the puck through the zone and is a great skater and wonderful defensemen. He also has the second best defensemen on the team in Maass as his sidekick. I like them all but Max is our best offensive defensemen and he does carry the puck through the zone and in the offensive zone. His defense is very good. It was not Max's fault entirely for BU and Robinson did save his butt once this weekend. Max is the top drafted player on UNH and that is for good reason.

I do hope that Pierson, Maass and Charley will be back soon.

Honestly, I could not disagree with these Max Gidon takes any more than I do. He is not only the best player and talent on the roster (by a very WIDE margin), but, nearly every night, Gildon is not only the best Wildcat on the ice (in terms of both talent AND impact) but the best player period. HockeyRef is right when she states that most of these knocks on Gildon are relative to his potential - and that is 100% fine, as he is not a perfect player, does make mistakes and has areas in which he can improve. But that is not remotely where it ends...

He is constantly criticized and blamed for UNH's shortcomings and losses. What exactly do you think people are saying about him when they call him a 'turnover machine' that makes 'rookie mistakes' and 'doesn't skate hard' and 'isn't a team player', DB? Its not just that one recent post, either - its a constant critique of Gildon on these threads. A primary opinion shared just this week was that UNH would play better on Friday without Gildon. They played OK against a weak opponent (yes, Im saying it, Miami still stinks - five of their wins are against AHA opponents and Colgate). They managed to tie the RedHawks. The expectation for the following game was that they'd be worse when Gildon came back on Saturday night. Yet, they dominated. They scored one more goal and gave up two less. Gildon scored once and essentially created the BVR/Blackburn chance with a patient and decisive breakout pass (more on this play later).

Gildon handles the puck FAR more than any other teammate and I would wager he turns the puck over at a MUCH lower rate than any of the other defenseman. Assuming we watched all 6 and expectations aside. When the other defensemen turn the puck over - and they do quite a bit of this in their own rights - no one says boo. This was the point I made when I pointed out Boyd giving the puck away at the defensive blue line against UMass. It would have never been mentioned or remembered if I hadn't. I mentioned Crookshank's turnover as it happened. DC is the only other player to point it out, since. Wyse fumbles breakouts and turns pucks over. So does Maass. Surprisingly, no one ever holds them accountable. Relativity to expectations is one thing, completely ignoring the mistakes of some while harping on the mistakes of another - without qualifying those frustrations as burdened by (unreasonable) high expectations is another...

Yes, Gildon occasionally makes decisions to turn back around the goal. He got pestered a couple of times this weekend and nearly every time escaped or re-won the puck and broke the pass out. He takes his time making breakout passes because he is skilled enough to do so and much more often than not makes the right decision. He makes these plays not only because he's the one defenseman with the ability to do so, but because he can make more impactful plays by waiting. He makes high-end plays - sometimes they don't work. Big deal. Imagine UNH without him attempting these high-end plays? He could make 10 foot passes to UNH forwards on the side board, too - and UNH would spend MUCH less time threatening on offense as a result. All this ignores that he's very successful making these plays and does his job at a high rate...

Those are the kinds of passes UNH needs Gildon to make, ASKS Gildon to make and that Gildon DOES make at an extremely high-rate. Without those passes UNH goes from a team averaging just above 2.00 goals per game to a team averaging around 1.00 goals per game - and giving up a lot more because they cant move pucks out of their zone and up the ice. It is WAY past time that people acknowledge not only how inept UNH's offense would be without him - but also how many goals he prevents simply by moving the game to the other end of the rink. His biggest 'flaw' is that the puck is always on his stick, by design, and everyone's eyes are always on him, expecting perfection. The rest of the D blend in and are essentially only noticed when they make a good rush/play. Lets compare UNH's top-4 defenseman...

Points by Defenseman:
Gildon: 2-9--11
Wyse: 0-2--2
MacKinnon: 0-2--2
Maass: 1-0--1


+/- by Defenseman:
Gildon: E (30+ mins/gm)
Wyse: -2
Maass: -4
MacKinnon: -6

Gildon has outscored the remaining entirety of the UNH defense, 11 points to seven. Despite constant criticism of his defensive play, Gildon is even this season (I know what the stats say, he was on the ice for Blackburn's goal Saturday - his patient, risky stretch pass created it), while his regular defensive partner is a -6 and lauded for his defensive prowess. Both Wyse and Maass are negative. So to sum up Gildon's season to date - he's been the best offensive player on the team regardless of position and the best of the four regular defensemen from a goal-differential stand-point. And many still want to pretend he's a liability for this team. If you want to analyze Gildon's game, you can start here - there is a very good chance UNH is still winless (and with a lot fewer ties) without him...

Again, critiquing his game is one thing. Claiming he's a liability, that the team would be better off without him or questioning his character and effort is embarrassing. Along the lines of blaming Poturalski when he put up 50+ points and was a Hobey finalist. Which happened constantly...
 
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Nah, you can keep your receipts. I’m not “going to battle” over it because honestly I’m not that emotionally invested in any player over another. The discussion was about Max so I weighed in on what I see in the stands every week at the games. When I’m watching him play I don’t keep his stats in mind to justify his existence or his role on the team. He is one of the best on the team talent wise but again, between he and the coaches I think they can find better ways to further add to his impact. The same can be said for a lot of the current roster but in the game he appears to be less comfortable and decisive with his role than he could be. I don’t need a stats book to tell me that when I have two fully functioning eyes.
 
Nah, you can keep your receipts. I’m not “going to battle” over it because honestly I’m not that emotionally invested in any player over another. The discussion was about Max so I weighed in on what I see in the stands every week at the games. When I’m watching him play I don’t keep his stats in mind to justify his existence or his role on the team. He is one of the best on the team talent wise but again, between he and the coaches I think they can find better ways to further add to his impact. The same can be said for a lot of the current roster but in the game he appears to be less comfortable and decisive with his role than he could be. I don’t need a stats book to tell me that when I have two fully functioning eyes.

Are you sure? Because it starting to sound like you've made up your mind about what you want to see and are looking for reasons to confirm those opinions. If you had anything more than just anecdotal evidence I bet you'd stick around...

You say Gildon costs the team offensive chances relative to the other D, yet he's outscored the entire D corp by himself. You say he's a liability in his own end and on the breakout yet he is +6 relative to his defensive partner and leads UNH's top four in plus/minus (which doesn't even count his PP goals for). I think your 'eyes' are looking for ways to explain that away, and your mostly upset with him for not being more dominant, if anything. Sure doesn't sound like a liability to me...

If you dismiss all this because your eyes saw him curve back around the net a couple times or take his time making a pass (like when he took his time making the pass and sprung UNH's first goal Saturday), then you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone your watching objectively...

Ill never understand the blame your best player when your team stinks approach - Maybe people expect JVR/Gildon to show up and dominate like they're playing bantam hockey? Maybe they think they seem smart nitpicking, or finding reasons to blame, the top talent. Unfortunately that's not how it works and they definitely don't...

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At this point, I look forward to Max leaving - then all the hand wringing wondering why UNH can't break out or possess pucks or generate any O from the blue line or in transition (just like they did in the 2-3 years before Max). It will be a real mystery...
 
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Question for clarification, where have I said that the play of Max Gildon is the reason UNH is where they are right now? I do not believe for one second that this is all on him and I challenge you to find where I said that without reading between the lines and insinuating what I mean when I said something else.

And no, I haven’t made up my mind on how he plays, I don’t just look at the bad and say “see, I told you he sucks” because I never said he sucks in the first place. I havent placed blame on anyone for the results of the team to this point in the season. No amount of twisting my words is going to get you there.
 
Question for clarification, where have I said that the play of Max Gildon is the reason UNH is where they are right now? I do not believe for one second that this is all on him and I challenge you to find where I said that without reading between the lines and insinuating what I mean when I said something else.

And no, I haven’t made up my mind on how he plays, I don’t just look at the bad and say “see, I told you he sucks” because I never said he sucks in the first place. I havent placed blame on anyone for the results of the team to this point in the season. No amount of twisting my words is going to get you there.

I'm not twisting your words - I'm asking you to explain your words and what your eyes see when they don't jibe at all with production. I was pretty clear if you read my posts thoroughly that I gave you the benefit of the doubt in just seeing ways he could improve - and that most of my post was directed at the one written before you jumped into the conversation. As well as many posts from past Gildon debates. So if you twist this into a personal attack on you, that's your doing...

I acknowledge you didn't start there, but you're definitely drifting in that direction since...

And I'm not accusing you of saying he's put them in the position they're in - I'm telling you without him they're in much worse shape. Much worse.

Maybe you were just mad that 1932 disagreed - but you were much more negative about Gildon in that post, certainly implying that he was lesser than Wyse and fell and turned pucks over a lot. That's not correct, hence my disagreement from that point on...
 
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How do you reconcile the idea that his breakout passes hinder offense when he creates so much offense? Why should he pass like the other D who create FAR less? How is he such a liability defensively when his own defensive partner, who is praised for his D, is on the ice for so many more goals despite the fact they play together 90% of the time? You're eyes tell you this is all a fluke???
 
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I’m basing it simply off your post just before that, where you said I had my mind made up and was constantly looking for confirmations of my beliefs. He is used in most of the offensive leverage situations which leads to production, rightfully so. Again, stats will not count the number of times that he has turned the puck over being too fancy or falling over on his own at the blue line. I can’t back that up with a stats book so that’s why my eyes are all I can use to back that up. I expect things like that will happen with any player but my eyes see him picking himself up off the ice or chasing the two on one that came off that turnover. Stats tell us a good story but they do not tell the whole story, and the points I’m making are not a column in the stats book yet. I’m not an all or nothing guy, you gave him the credit for the positives, consider my narrative an addendum and not a rebuttal to his overall story.
 
I’m basing it simply off your post just before that, where you said I had my mind made up and was constantly looking for confirmations of my beliefs. He is used in most of the offensive leverage situations which leads to production, rightfully so. Again, stats will not count the number of times that he has turned the puck over being too fancy or falling over on his own at the blue line. I can’t back that up with a stats book so that’s why my eyes are all I can use to back that up. I expect things like that will happen with any player but my eyes see him picking himself up off the ice or chasing the two on one that came off that turnover. Stats tell us a good story but they do not tell the whole story, and the points I’m making are not a column in the stats book yet. I’m not an all or nothing guy, you gave him the credit for the positives, consider my narrative an addendum and not a rebuttal to his overall story.

And my eyes tell a completely different story - that he falls, but no more (and perhaps less) than anyone else, that he turns pucks over, but no more (and perhaps less) than anyone else. So how do we rectify that? That's the problem with anecdotal evidence...

Gildon is great so everyone pays attention to him. The rest of the D men are just there. Gildon turns it over - wait he's supposed to be a super star, so we dwell in it. Wyse turns it over - he's just a guy, so we move on and it's like it never happened. That's the reality that needs to be acknowledged when being critical of a Gildon or Poturalski or JVR. People get mad when they show they're human because that's not up to expectations...

Criticize Gildon when he deserves it. Expect a lot from him. Fair. That's what your first response was. That's not what I was responding to.

When people argue he hurts the team and is worse than so and so or doesn't care or try, they're going to hear about it from me (with receipts)...

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Gildon's not the only D who plays on the PP at UNH- just the only one who produces.

Neither Cale Makar, Quinn Hughes, Reilly Walsh or Scott Perunovich outscore the rest of their D-corp single-handily. I'll bet Gildon may be the only one who does - and nearly 2:1...
 
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Maybe I need to start quoting your posts so my responses actually follow what you say before you edit every one of your posts. Now that I re read everything my responses look out of place. Either way, I’m done with the discussion.
 
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