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UNH 2018-19: Souza The Opportunity

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A few points for Watcher’s post…

1) I agree that any progress for this team and the program are not measured in present day results. The team needs to take steps forward off the ice to see any tangible improvement on the ice. Recruiting remains the most important factor by far…

2) And while, I don’t begrudge anyone from being hopeful or optimistic I think it needs to be acknowledged that when we discuss what needs to change for UNH moving forward – primarily recruiting, but also development we have to recognize that Souza has been here for three years DIRECTLY in charge of recruiting and heavily involved in player development. I’m not sure why we continue to look for landmarks for when change can begin. The Souza era began three years ago. He has been responsible for ALL recruiting decisions. He has been the coach tasked with coaching offensive systems and development. That said…

3) Why do we expect things to change in that regard? The systems look the same. The talking points are the same. He talked a lot about speed, transition and playing an up-tempo and attacking style. UNH may not have exhibited those traits the last few years – but it has been the team’s preferred ‘style’ since Umile took over the program in the early ‘90’s. They’ve tried to play that way all these years. It simply hasn’t worked because they haven’t been good enough. I think this is fair to be discussed – though I think it is irrelevant to the bigger issue of recruiting.

And why would we expect UNH’s recruiting strategy of the last three years to change? Souza has been in charge the entire time. The results have been average at best – with slow pacing, a lack of aggression and an over-reliance on the just-in-time commitment. That was supposed to change when Souza became the head coach (there was a narrative with some that Umile was holding him back) – but it hasn’t. Since the end of last season they desperately grabbed a few more FR to save this incoming class. Otherwise, they have added a mere TWO commitments – a pair of average forwards. Then it was the new assistant who was supposed to change things up. Yet, since Giuliano’s hire they have committed zero new players.

Additionally, I don’t buy the idea that Giuliano was hired to be the main recruiter. He was hired with absolutely zero recruiting experience. That was what WE all wanted to see addressed with the hire, but I don’t think that’s what was actually addressed. Additionally, I’m not sure its what Souza felt needed to be addressed. Souza made his name (debatable resume not withstanding) being a personably guy expected to excel in the recruiting arena. I think he believes he is that guy. UNH recruiting has run through him since he got here and I think that will be the case moving forward – not through Stewart or Giuliano. I don’t see him turning the new guy loose to pick up guys without Souza himself doing a lot of follow-up and making the final decisions. This is not Borek doing all the shopping for Umile. And I see no reason to think otherwise except hopefulness for change…

Souza’s three-year track-record at UNH has been slow-recruiting and desperation grabs at the last minute to fill holes. Three years is a significant trend. I don’t expect much to change. It should. But have they shown us anything that leads us to believe it will? I think they have their strategy in place. So, we are left to hope they get better and more consistent results moving forward…

4) In this day and age, I don’t think you need to wait 10 games for FR to impact the scoresheet in college hockey if they’re given the opportunity. For comparison, take a look at three other programs that will be relying heavily on FR this year – CC, DU and UMass. Through two games, UMass has 3-5--8 from its FR class. CC (4 games) and DU (2) both have 10 points from their first-year players, as well as four and three goals, respectively. Maine's top FR put up a three-point weekend. UConn had two freshman put up two-point games in their opener to lead their team. UNH got 1-0—1 in 11 man-games, and with many playing major roles, from its entire freshmen last weekend. As much as I like this year's UNH class - these numbers are telling...

5) I’m not sure I needed last weekend – or even ten games – to know what this class was. A group of solid to above average players bolstered by three just-in-time commits (Taylor, Engaras, MacKinnon) and an accelerated Pierson that likely needs a year or two. They’ll get better. They’ll be a good class – potentially a good goalie, a two-way forward, two 100 point scorers and a steady defenseman. But they’re really have to be measured by how they stack up to other HE classes not recent UNH classes. And in that regard will they be the class that puts UNH back on track to HE success? Not without further recruiting classes stacked up behind them of equal quality PLUS a few truly dynamic talents along the lines of a TK/AP. And they wont get there shopping in the left-over bin…

6) While the major sign-posts for whether or not things will turn around under Souza may be off the ice – it is crucial, in my opinion, that UNH shows some forward momentum on the ice. You don't recruit in a vacuum and you certainly make your job MUCH more difficult when you're not competitive. If you want to venture into the young or competitive older recruiting bins, than you need to show some tangible improvement after the last three years. There are plenty of upperclass pieces playing in the top-six and top-four, as well. They should have developed by now to the point that UNH should not have been completely shutout of the scoring areas five-on-five last weekend. The junior class (BVR, Sacco, Wyse, Blackburn, Fregona and Grasso) was a highly regarded offensive group - they posted 1 point on the weekend. They don't have the adjustment excuse. This team SHOULD BE a lot better offensively than what they showed last weekend. There are enough pieces. That's an on-ice reflection that needs to change...

Its just one weekend, and I wont judge the team, the coaches or the freshmen based on that - but I can't dismiss it either. Impressionable recruits are forming opinions every weekend. Things need to get better right away for the current season and the future...
 
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First two game look like we are starting in a similar trend to last season. Cant expect ANY team to be over .500 if you only are able to score 1 or 2 goals a night. Ty Conklin was probably the best goaltender we have had in the last 20 years. He had between a 1.84 - 2.49 GAA during his 3 years in Durham. He is not walking in the door anytime soon. The fact of the matter is we NEED to score goals. Cant expect anything more than you got from Robinson and Taylor this weekend. They need help. It is going to be another long season if UNH has trouble scoring goals. Long gone are the days of free Frosty's at Wendy's when UNH would hit the was it 5 goal mark.

Ill be in the springs this weekend. Looking to see Souza's first two W's!

I disagree. Last year we began 5-1-1 scoring 28 goals in 7 games, then the trend was all downhill into the dumpster with only 5 more wins. This season we have begun 0-2-0, with 1 goal in 2 games. I certainly hope that the trend will be the reverse of last year, but I am beginning to think that may not be the case.
 
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UNH has had problems with trapping teams on their home ice since the Whit opened.

Colgate has a small rink with a trap defense and attack and the referees certainly let holding and grabbing sticks for the home team. We had problems with trapping teams in our heyday and we just have to score first and were not able to make it happen.

I think Souza and Stewart recruits are very good players with some very high end offensive talent. Our first 5 on defense is as good as we have had in a long time. Yes, we had two NHL caliber defensemen a few years back, but it is the heart of our team.

You may be right about our team, but I want to stay positive as their recruits are high end entering one year earlier than most.

Wise and Maass are really good defensemen with offensive upside. Gildon and MacKinnon looked very good this past weekend and our top 4 is the best we have had in the recent past. I do believe you are underestimated Verrier as he played well in the USHL and will be dressing regularly this season and will only get better/

Our two scholarship athlete goaltenders ( Robinson and Taylor) are both Draft Picks in the NHL and are both tall and cover a lot of net with athletic ability.

The offense should be good over time.

The third line was the best line 5 on 5 and they all play on the power play. I hope Nazarian is back this weekend but I do not know for certain. Vela, Esposito and Macadams are not like most first lines in the past and the scoring is expected from the 2nd and 3rd lines until Naz comes back. They seem to be copying the old UMASS/Northeastern model of playing your best offensive players on the 3rd line even strength as they will have better opportunities.

Pierson, Crookshank and Grasso would be a great second or third line and all three will probably be on first power play soon. Grasso and Crookshank will do better with Pierson as they are all fast skaters and have great hands.

Engaras will be a 3rd liner by Thanksgiving and we have some very good grinders with some talent on the 4th line.

I know I am always optimistic but give them a chance and stop worrying about when the gets happen. Mackinnon was the only late commit this year and he will be a solid player and we should be happy to have him.

Please wait until mid-November as I do believe in Souza for UNH's future. I want you to set up a list of players recruited by Souza and Steward and one from Borek and Lassonde and Torterella and see if there is a quality difference with the people on our roster. It is true we lost a lot of top recruits when Coach Borek left, but the players on our roster.

Deep breaths until they find the line match-ups that will work well together going forward. We do have a few good defensemen and a few forwards with scoring ability coming in next year.

See you at the World Center and thanks for your opinions of UNH's near future.
 
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Welcome to the 'Cats Will!!!
 
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You may be surprised to know we agree on some things. And, perhaps, less so that we disagree on some other issues...

* I also like our defenseman and goaltenders. Very much so. I think the defense is the best group since the players who spanned the 2012-14 seasons. And that is heady praise as I think that group might be the best in school history with TVR, Pesce, Knodel, Hardowa, Kostolansky, Agosta all playing on UNHs last tournament team in front of Casey DeSmith. That said I'd echo Watcher's sentiment about the current group. Gildon is likely gone after this season. Wyse, certainly, and Maass potentially the year after. Before this group can really flourish they will be broken apart and I do not share your enthusiasm for the defenseman committed to the program the next couple of years...

* This forward class is well received. Long overdue. The best UNH group since that Poturalski/Foegel class. But again, I can't compare current or future UNH recruiting classes to their predecessors. I compare them to what is being brought in around HE. They need to beat their opponents if they want to climb the HE ladder and they need to beat most of them if they want to get back to the top. This class is a nice start. But they need to replicate and improve again and again if they want to make it count. The only future forward recruit that I think plays top-six on a 'good' HE team is Stutzle.

* I think this forward class compares well to the current junior class (or third year's) - who were also lauded highly at the time as the best forward group UNH had added in a while. Crookshank/Blackburn, Pierson/Grasso, BVR/Cippolone - with no real comp for Engaras (which is a plus), Esposito or Fregona. It is put up or shut-up season for the juniors. They have to live up to expectations. Best case, I think they currently illustrate that this group of FR (as opposed to DUs - where I want to see UNH end up) will need at least some time to become top-six contributors in production and not just role.

* This has been UNHs biggest problem (depth) and history just might be repeating itself. Based on current recruits - when this FR class becomes upperclassmen ready to compete at the highest level who skates with them? UNH has had talented players the last few years. Just not enough! Kelleher and Poturalski were as good as it gets in terms of college forwards. Period. But even they couldn't do it on their own. This class needs reinforcements. They have to stack classes. One good one will win you nothing...

* I don't think it's a fair comparison to match up Borek/Souza recruits on the current roster. Souza's been at the helm for three years he should win that debate easily - and I'm not sure he even does. A more fair comparison would include recent Borek graduates or even Boreks gets at PC, players who might have ended up in Durham. Either way I'd rather just discuss what UNH actually has...

* The timing of the gets matters greatly. FYI, Engaras committed at the same time MacKinnon did. Both commits were noted by the Heisenberg site on the exact same day. You are right that Taylor committed earlier than I remembered off the top of my head, but he still committed the semester before enrolling into a starting job. That is last minute by today's standards. The timing matters to me because it does not illustrate an innate recruiting ability - simply an ability to have money available when no one else does. You can't win top talent that way consistently because top talent commits early when everyone has money. Salesmanship matters. And it is entirely dependent on the random chance that good players will even be available.

* I like the FR playing major roles. I like Souza at least being willing to take a late kid when Umile never would have wanted to do so. I like the forays into Europe. But I need to see more. I am not the negative Nancy people want to make me out to be. I am a fan eager to discuss the past, future and absolutely the present of UNH hockey. The present has not been kind - and while you are the optimistic type I am the show me type. They can start with two wins and sustained offense at CC...

* Perhaps others find it difficult, but I have no problem throwing full support behind the current team (in particular the players who do nothing but give it their all) while debating the state of the program. Which again...
 
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And I will always give credit where credit is due - picking up an intriguing player who has dominated the prep level, can score, has attended multiple Select Festivals and seems destined for the USHL is solid. Keep it going...
 
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Souza is the head coach now, not three years ago. Obviously, Souza has a lot of respect for Umile and would NEVER undermine him! First rule of sales with a senior salesman; I'll do the talking so shut up! Souza's time began last weekend, not three years ago.
 
Souza is the head coach now, not three years ago. Obviously, Souza has a lot of respect for Umile and would NEVER undermine him! First rule of sales with a senior salesman; I'll do the talking so shut up! Souza's time began last weekend, not three years ago.

Everyone is free to view the situation how they see fit - but that will never be how I view the situation. I don't agree with your analogy. Souza was not some junior salesman. He was the head coach in waiting and given full control over recruiting. He wasn't a simple assistant thrust into the role after an unexpected departure by the old HC. This is not a standard succession. It was strictly put in place for him to hit the ground running this season...

New HCs are given 'a few years' based entirely on the idea that they need to recruit their players to fit their system, etc. Souza did all the recruiting for the past three seasons and he has stated he wants to run a very similar system - this is his team. Any idea that Umile (who outsourced recruiting for years when it was his own neck on the line) handcuffed him or told him who he had to recruit (or how to recruit) for teams that Souza would coach is simply misguided...

As an assistant Souza worked hands on with the current players as they've developed as much as anyone. I'm sure he always supported whatever lineup Umile wanted to run out last year or any disciplinary decision he made. None of that effects this year's team nearly as much as the hands on coaching and recruiting of the past three years does...

Perhaps it's semantics. He isn't judged by the win loss record of the last few years. Last place, last season ultimately falls on Dick Umile. But the work Souza did the last three years to lead up to the brink of this, his inaugural HC season, is also quite evident and available for inspection...

I agree his time began last weekend - but I agree because it began with drop of the puck last weekend. The grace period of building his team WAS the last three years. Every player on this team is here because he, Mike Souza, chose for them to be. This season is absolutely his to own (and he can and should be graded fully on the on- and off- ice outcomes)...

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At the same time, he absolutely can be evaluated on the last three years of recruiting. That was his show and the results of the last three years belong to him. For better or worse. And since recruiting is what will continue to make or break UNH moving forward I think evaluation of the last three years is certainly pertinent...
 
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Dan nailed it. e.cat, with all due respect, your example does not fit, unless your junior sales guy was developing his own leads for the last three years. Souza was that guy when he was starting out at Brown. Arguably, you can say he may have had some of the same restrictions at UConn. But being the HC in waiting for three (3) years at UNH, working for a guy who stopped shopping for his own groceries a generation ago … that's a whole different scenario. These are ALL Souza's players out there.

No one is panicking after one tough weekend - just stating facts. And I (unfortunately) expect less than most of you expect for the rest of this season. Trust me, I'm old enough where I'd rather be wrong than right, and *maybe* it will turn out like things did for Coach MacDonnell, with a slow start before Souza hits his stride. But even with Coach MacDonnell it took five mediocre seasons before he turned the boat around. And I'm pretty sure that while he was an assistant under Coach Bowes, there was never a three year plan where MacDonnell was told the HC job was going to be his when Coach Bowes (got) retired.

MacDonnell got a five year run to turn things around, and he was working with the worst facilities in his division. If Souza is given a similar time for treading water, there will be long-lasting damage done to the UNH Hockey program. Arguably (and not due to Souza) there already has been significant damage caused by Umile's lingering too long. It needs to be reversed, and positive signs need to be emerging by the end of this season or next season. As Dan points out, things we've seen over the last three-plus seasons can accurately be described as a trend, not a "small sample size" of one weekend at Colgate.
 
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Dan and Chuck. Obviously, Souza started three years ago as a recruiter. I doubt any reasonable person will hold him responsible in terms of job security as the head coach for that period of time. He will be judged as the head coach as of last July or whenever the actual contract was done.

He should be held responsible for his performance as a recruiter for the period of time in that position.
 
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My point was not to look back, but look forward. The critical issue is what sort of information we can gain this season. To me, its evaluation of freshmen, to see what it tells us about the recruiters' eye, and also the on-the-ground recruiting to see if those results show a change in perception. What happened the past three years is sunk costs.

I'm intrigued by 1932's comments about Engaras being third line.

Fr.Crookshank--Jr.Blackburn --So.Kelleher
Fr.Pierson ------Sr.Nazarian------So.Grasso
Jr.BVR-------Sr.Vela-----------So.MacAdam
Fr.Esposito----Sr.Miller -------Fr.Engaras
Fr.Cipollone----Sr.Cefalu-----So.Sato
Jr.Sacco

I would have expected Engaras and Pierson to flip, so wonder what, if anything, caused 1932's comment.
 
I'm intrigued by 1932's comments about Engaras being third line.

Fr.Crookshank--Jr.Blackburn --So.Kelleher
Fr.Pierson ------Sr.Nazarian------So.Grasso
Jr.BVR-------Sr.Vela-----------So.MacAdam
Fr.Esposito----Sr.Miller -------Fr.Engaras
Fr.Cipollone----Sr.Cefalu-----So.Sato
Jr.Sacco

I would have expected Engaras and Pierson to flip, so wonder what, if anything, caused 1932's comment.

He made that statement directly after wondering allowed if UNH was playing their scorers in de facto lower line roles to manipulate match-ups. I took his statement to mean he expected Engaras to be a top six forward shortly and play on one of UNHs top lines - but as a member of the third line on the chart. I don't think you're fooling anyone and opponents will still play match-ups as they see fit - but it may be UNH's hope to avoid matching their top lines against other teams first unit. I may have interpreted him wrong...

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My last comment on this issue for now - I understand nothing can be done to change the past but I think we dismiss it at our own peril. It happened.

That said - my expectation is we better darn well hope Souza is successful and makes the necessary changes, because I don't doubt that the UNH administration is looking at him the same way ecat is.

Which means, if Souza is not the guy, I see the best case scenario as a two year free pass to get his feet wet, two years to show improvement and then 1-2 years where he's under the gun.

In that case you're looking at UNH being a sub-500, irrelevancy for over a decade and potentially the death of UNH hockey as we once knew it. That's why I'm urgent about pointing out the risk in this entire hire/transition scenario. It needs to work out or they need to act quickly. Otherwise...

That doesn't take into account the fact that Scarano has rarely, if ever, (at most he's done it once, in 20+ years) fired a coach strictly for performance reasons. Meaning the worst case is any irrelevancy won't matter to him at all. The women's coach is entering her fifth season at UNH with a .388 winning percentage - and she was a well-under .500 coach at Yale. Her track record was a sunk-cost, but it was also quite predictive as her time at UNH has been entirely predictable...

There is not a program at UNH that has ever had more success or national standing than that one. Odds it ever happens again?

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Looking forward to seeing the blue jerseys at CC...
 
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He made that statement directly after wondering allowed if UNH was playing their scorers in de facto lower line roles to manipulate match-ups. I took his statement to mean he expected Engaras to be a top six forward shortly and play on one of UNHs top lines - but as a member of the third line on the chart. I don't think you're fooling anyone and opponents will still play match-ups as they see fit - but it may be UNH's hope to avoid matching their top lines against other teams first unit. I may have interpreted him wrong...

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My last comment on this issue for now - I understand nothing can be done to change the past but I think we dismiss it at our own peril. It happened.

That said - my expectation is we better darn well hope Souza is successful and makes the necessary changes, because I don't doubt that the UNH administration is looking at him the same way ecat is.

Which means, if Souza is not the guy, I see the best case scenario as a two year free pass to get his feet wet, two years to show improvement and then 1-2 years where he's under the gun.

In that case you're looking at UNH being a sub-500, irrelevancy for over a decade and potentially the death of UNH hockey as we once knew it. That's why I'm urgent about pointing out the risk in this entire hire/transition scenario. It needs to work out or they need to act quickly. Otherwise...

That doesn't take into account the fact that Scarano has rarely, if ever, (at most he's done it once, in 20+ years) fired a coach strictly for performance reasons. Meaning the worst case is any irrelevancy won't matter to him at all. The women's coach is entering her fifth season at UNH with a .388 winning percentage - and she was a well-under .500 coach at Yale. Her track record was a sunk-cost, but it was also quite predictive as her time at UNH has been entirely predictable...

There is not a program at UNH that has ever had more success or national standing than that one. Odds it ever happens again?

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Looking forward to seeing the blue jerseys at CC...
Nailed it!
 
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There has been an inordinate amount of discussion about recruiting, or lack thereof, on this thread, but I am wondering if Souza can coach? And, I do not mean "coaching up" individual players over time, although that is important, but coaching an in-game strategy that leads to goals, etc. I felt that Umile's in-game coaching deteriorated over the last few years, and hope that Souza does not simply imitate Umile behind the bench. And, I do not mean wearing a turtleneck and whistling for line changes. I guess that I will see for myself at Tsongas on November 9th.
 
there has been an inordinate amount of discussion about recruiting, or lack thereof, on this thread, but i am wondering if souza can coach? And, i do not mean "coaching up" individual players over time, although that is important, but coaching an in-game strategy that leads to goals, etc. I felt that umile's in-game coaching deteriorated over the last few years, and hope that souza does not simply imitate umile behind the bench. And, i do not mean wearing a turtleneck and whistling for line changes. I guess that i will see for myself at tsongas on november 9th.

fyp!
 
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There has been an inordinate amount of discussion about recruiting, or lack thereof, on this thread, but I am wondering if Souza can coach? And, I do not mean "coaching up" individual players over time, although that is important, but coaching an in-game strategy that leads to goals, etc. I felt that Umile's in-game coaching deteriorated over the last few years, and hope that Souza does not simply imitate Umile behind the bench. And, I do not mean wearing a turtleneck and whistling for line changes. I guess that I will see for myself at Tsongas on November 9th.

What would show you that he can, what would show you that he can't? Players have to execute after all...He ran the PK last year, am I right? And they seemed to be pretty darn good at it. So, I'd say Mike Souza has a clue....:D I am not sure that anyone can judge the coaching ability of a coach solely on win/loss records.

I mean... It depends on soooo many variables. Having the horses to do the work, are those horses "coach able" come to mind for me initially, as well as the coach's ability to relate to those players, which, from my observations, Coach Souza is able to do.
Buy in from the players is so incredibly important as well. Souza himself knows what it takes to put the puck in the net and I've no doubt he is capable of imparting that knowledge to his players. Hopefully they get on track with this important task sooner than later.

Coaches don't do the skating...players do. ;)
 
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Do any other STH's have ANY CLUE from the UNH ticket office as to when the he11 we are going to receive our tickets? Criminy, we're two weeks into the regular season now!! I've e-mailed with no response.... ***???:confused: :mad: :mad:
 
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