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UND Players finding new schools

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Puckdrop14 said:
All the best to young Kolstad and hope that all of the UND players find a home. And as for Timothy, I would rank the Badgers right up there in terms of dirty teams to play against but I guess it's acceptable because they win most of the time!
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Dirty player. Sorry she found another place to play - WCHA would be better off without her. At least she didn't come out East.
 
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bluffrinkrat said:
But what I don't understand is how Wisconsin could have 50 more penalties this past year than did that "rodent" team you so despise. ... Is it simply a lack of discipline at times or is it because they feel they're so far ahead a few hacks or checks don't matter or is it something else?
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Wisconsin took 159 penalties, their opponents took 158; Minnesota took 109, their opponents took 115. As pokechecker speculated "it could be that the other teams were frustrated and decided to play rough, and the Badgers responded in kind". Yes, Wisconsin found themselves in 'high penalty' games for whatever reason, while Minnesota played 'low penalty' games. But neither team found themselves at any particular advantage or disadvantage because of it; on average, they both had the same number of skaters on the ice as their opponents over the course of the game.

It is only when the 'mismatch' in penalties gets to where North Dakota's was - 161 penalties taken vs 125 - that penalties become a problem. Until then, it is the 'style' of game the refs are giving you. (And if your PP is better than your opponent's AND your PK is better than your opponent's, maybe playing a 'high penalty' game is strategic.)
 
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Timothy A said:
I think some of the UW players get frustrated with all the clog and grab and lose their focus, mainly Clark and Pankowski. Roque played boys HS hockey in MI, I hope she can adjust out of taking the physical type penalties.
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So, winning by an average of 9-0 caused them to be frustrated by their opponents play? Oh dear!
 
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robertearle said:
(And if your PP is better than your opponent's AND your PK is better than your opponent's, maybe playing a 'high penalty' game is strategic.)
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That might make some kind of sense as a strategy if it wasn't for the fact that 66 of those penalties came from four of Wisconsin's five leading scorers. Maybe Johnson just wanted to give some of his other players more practice on the PK or ARD a few more saves? With just 3 penalties their #4 leading scorer McKibbon must have missed that particular strategy session.
 
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bluffrinkrat said:
That might make some kind of sense as a strategy if it wasn't for the fact that 66 of those penalties came from four of Wisconsin's five leading scorers. Maybe Johnson just wanted to give some of his other players more practice on the PK or ARD a few more saves? With just 3 penalties their #4 leading scorer McKibbon must have missed that particular strategy session.
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"Be extra aggressive on your forecheck. Steal the puck, and score. And if you happen to take a penalty, we've got ARD back there."
 
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robertearle said:
"Be extra aggressive on your forecheck. Steal the puck, and score. And if you happen to take a penalty, we've got ARD back there."
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With ARD gone 159 penalties as a strategy might not work quite so well next year. Your team may have to follow the McKibbon Method of committing as few penalties as possible. In Minnesota we call it the "Potomak Principle." I still think that roughing call in Wisconsin for her only penalty of the year must have been a mistake by the ref. :eek:
 
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Surprise surprise surprise, looky here......UW lands another goalie....Former UND G Kristen Campbell is joining UW this season. I thought UW was loaded with Cece and Blesi, very interesting indeed.
 
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2017 recruit Alyssa MacMillan (Okanagan Hockey Academy) will head to the University of Ottawa in the fall.
 
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timothy a said:
surprise surprise surprise, looky here......uw lands another goalie....former und g kristen campbell is joining uw this season. I thought uw was loaded with cece and blesi, very interesting indeed.
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omg! Stashing! Stashing!!1!
 
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Kinda surprising at this point that with 15 underclassmen, that only a couple have found a home for next season. A few are northern Europeans which is a tough transfer, but what about the rest...? Second leading scorer (a sophomore next season) can't find a place - surprising... Makes me wonder if ND's competitiveness was about to drop off the map and this might have been a consideration in the decision.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Kinda surprising at this point that with 15 underclassmen, that only a couple have found a home for next season. A few are northern Europeans which is a tough transfer, but what about the rest...? Second leading scorer (a sophomore next season) can't find a place - surprising... Makes me wonder if ND's competitiveness was about to drop off the map and this might have been a consideration in the decision.
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There are several problems with transferring. Most teams are set so there are not going to be many openings (coaches are going to show preference for the kids they recruited because loyalty is rewarded). There are academic considerations, do the other schools have the same program, will they accept all the credits & accept the higher level ones as more than electives? There is the scholarship question, they have whatever they had at UND for their remaining time there; if they move to a new school that could be very expensive. Timing issues they need to sort through a lot of things they had not planned on with short notice. Some may believe the decision can be reversed, hope dies hard. Culture can be an issue too, kids that liked the environment in Grand Forks might not like life in Columbus Ohio. That same thing could go with coaches, they may feel that coach X didn't want them at 17 would not be their best choice or they may have met coach Y and not liked them or their style so they self-select out of those schools.
 
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And with scholarships continued some of the players may decide to stay at UND and complete their major.

I wouldn't be surprised if UND starts a club program. They do have one at North Dakota State (and at Minot State) but they are D2.
 
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ne7minder said:
There are several problems with transferring. Most teams are set so there are not going to be many openings (coaches are going to show preference for the kids they recruited because loyalty is rewarded). There are academic considerations, do the other schools have the same program, will they accept all the credits & accept the higher level ones as more than electives? There is the scholarship question, they have whatever they had at UND for their remaining time there; if they move to a new school that could be very expensive. Timing issues they need to sort through a lot of things they had not planned on with short notice. Some may believe the decision can be reversed, hope dies hard. Culture can be an issue too, kids that liked the environment in Grand Forks might not like life in Columbus Ohio. That same thing could go with coaches, they may feel that coach X didn't want them at 17 would not be their best choice or they may have met coach Y and not liked them or their style so they self-select out of those schools.
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All relevant points and I wouldn't expect rising Seniors or Juniors to be great transfer candidates and probably want to retain their scholarship and graduate, but certainly the Fresh and Sophs should have opportunities....and i doubt that club hockey is very attractive to them after playing D1.
 
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robertearle said:
Wisconsin took 159 penalties, their opponents took 158; Minnesota took 109, their opponents took 115. As pokechecker speculated "it could be that the other teams were frustrated and decided to play rough, and the Badgers responded in kind". Yes, Wisconsin found themselves in 'high penalty' games for whatever reason, while Minnesota played 'low penalty' games. But neither team found themselves at any particular advantage or disadvantage because of it; on average, they both had the same number of skaters on the ice as their opponents over the course of the game.

It is only when the 'mismatch' in penalties gets to where North Dakota's was - 161 penalties taken vs 125 - that penalties become a problem. Until then, it is the 'style' of game the refs are giving you. (And if your PP is better than your opponent's AND your PK is better than your opponent's, maybe playing a 'high penalty' game is strategic.)
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Having seen WI first hand I believe there are a couple of reasons why they have so many penalties.
Before all of you westerners jump down my throat I will preface this by stating that WI was the best team in 2016-17...without question. Anyone that disagrees with that can't see past their own bias.

First, they are coached by a male coach. All of the teams in the league here that are coached by a male are more physical than teams coached by females. I'm not saying it is wrong or that they are better coaches. I'm just stating that male coaches are far more aggressive in their teaching and coaching and it reflects on the ice.

Second, and more applicable to WI, is that they are just stronger than their opponents...as a team. There are stronger players on teams but as a team they are stronger than anyone. I know by watching #4 at BC every game that this poses a problem when playing weaker players day in and day out. Players go into a corner with her and they end up on the ground without her hitting the player. Ref's call it because they see the outcome not the play. WI is the strongest team I've ever seen on the stick. They are very aggressive and win almost every battle. That aggressiveness translates into penalties when people end up on the ground...usually weaker players. Don't get me wrong, they do go in with high elbows sometimes but their strength is their primary asset.
 
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Quiet Riot said:
Having seen WI first hand I believe there are a couple of reasons why they have so many penalties.
Before all of you westerners jump down my throat I will preface this by stating that WI was the best team in 2016-17...without question. Anyone that disagrees with that can't see past their own bias.

First, they are coached by a male coach. All of the teams in the league here that are coached by a male are more physical than teams coached by females. I'm not saying it is wrong or that they are better coaches. I'm just stating that male coaches are far more aggressive in their teaching and coaching and it reflects on the ice.

Second, and more applicable to WI, is that they are just stronger than their opponents...as a team. There are stronger players on teams but as a team they are stronger than anyone. I know by watching #4 at BC every game that this poses a problem when playing weaker players day in and day out. Players go into a corner with her and they end up on the ground without her hitting the player. Ref's call it because they see the outcome not the play. WI is the strongest team I've ever seen on the stick. They are very aggressive and win almost every battle. That aggressiveness translates into penalties when people end up on the ground...usually weaker players. Don't get me wrong, they do go in with high elbows sometimes but their strength is their primary asset.
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A very heady analysis indeed.
 
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Quiet Riot said:
First, they are coached by a male coach. All of the teams in the league here that are coached by a male are more physical than teams coached by females. I'm not saying it is wrong or that they are better coaches. I'm just stating that male coaches are far more aggressive in their teaching and coaching and it reflects on the ice
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Ah, I have not personally verified this but Brad Frost identifies as a male, how does MN's low numbers fit into your theory?
 
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Quiet Riot said:
Having seen WI first hand I believe there are a couple of reasons why they have so many penalties.
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I think you're trying too hard. The two least penalized teams in the conference are coached by men. Every team in the WCHA averaged 3 to 4 penalties per game except Minnesota (slightly below) and North Dakota (slightly above). So pretty even up and down the conference.
 
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