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UAH Hockey 2012-13: Still breathing

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Going on the assumption that UAHSTUDENT isn't a troll, is really a UAH student, and is actually interested in a little education on the subject,
http://www.usantdp.com/schedule/team_instance/282451 .

ALL of these guys are legitimate future NHL prospects. There are always NHL scouts in any arena where they play. If one doesn't have an appreciation of the talent on the ice when they are playing, then one probably does not really have any appreciation of hockey at any level.
 
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1427. The numbers I got were "non-child" adult passes. I assume they give out free tickets to the under 5 crowd. When I went back and looked the numbers you gave included those kids, fair enough, fans are fans and I apologize. Still though, 1,400 is a very low number for any Div-I sport. I went to a soccer game at MTSU last Spring that drew nearly 1,300.

Guess MTSU should cut soccer then, huh? :rolleyes:
 
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Going on the assumption that UAHSTUDENT isn't a troll, is really a UAH student, and is actually interested in a little education on the subject,
http://www.usantdp.com/schedule/team_instance/282451 .

ALL of these guys are legitimate future NHL prospects. There are always NHL scouts in any arena where they play. If one doesn't have an appreciation of the talent on the ice when they are playing, then one probably does not really have any appreciation of hockey at any level.

I appreciate the link and that really helped to put the loss to US Under-18 into perspective, they are a very competetive group to say the least. Once again like I said before I would love to see UAH Hockey in a conference and competitive, my only point when starting my posts was if they DO NOt get a conference bid and are left independent into the indefinite future I just don't see a valid enough reason for UAH to keep throwing money and time at a program that cannot improve. There are "if's" in there, however, its looking grimmer now than it did say three years ago when the CHA initially folded. I would also like to refute the idea that UAH Hockey is the only tradition the school has. Perhaps thats true athletically, but UAh is far more well known for its engineering majors and close ties with Nasa, Boeing, and the many other contractors in and about Huntsville. Add to that the fact that UAH basketball has come to prominence and softball is always good and UAH Hockey becomes a priority just not the only priority the school has in athletics. I sincerely believe if UAH Hockey is passed over again for a conference bid after this season it will more than likely be the last hockey played in Huntsville for a while.
 
I appreciate the link and that really helped to put the loss to US Under-18 into perspective, they are a very competetive group to say the least. Once again like I said before I would love to see UAH Hockey in a conference and competitive, my only point when starting my posts was if they DO NOt get a conference bid and are left independent into the indefinite future I just don't see a valid enough reason for UAH to keep throwing money and time at a program that cannot improve. There are "if's" in there, however, its looking grimmer now than it did say three years ago when the CHA initially folded. I would also like to refute the idea that UAH Hockey is the only tradition the school has. Perhaps thats true athletically, but UAh is far more well known for its engineering majors and close ties with Nasa, Boeing, and the many other contractors in and about Huntsville. Add to that the fact that UAH basketball has come to prominence and softball is always good and UAH Hockey becomes a priority just not the only priority the school has in athletics. I sincerely believe if UAH Hockey is passed over again for a conference bid after this season it will more than likely be the last hockey played in Huntsville for a while.

If they do not get into a conference, the program will likely be cancelled because there are no other options at this point. The money will the be spent on whatever the school sees fit. Maybe the money will go to other sports or maybe it won't. If you want to wait and see, then we'll known by Janurary.

The exceptional academic and research reputation about UAH is absolutely correct. When I said tradition, I am referring to athletic tradition (especially since this is a board for hockey and a topic for UAH hockey). UAH is definitely known for its excellent engineering, science, and research programs, but we're talking about hockey here and not academics or research.

Also, last hockey played in Huntsville for awhile? The Huntsville Havoc do quite well for themselves; maybe you should go watch them play sometime. The Huntsville Amateur Hockey Association is an extremely successful program as well. In fact, many of the kids in it hope that someday they can play for UAH. Hockey in Huntsville is important and a deeply ingrained tradition both for UAH and the community.

As for the other sports, I totally agree that all the sports at UAH need attention. However, hockey is the defining sport at UAH. It is a program that has been here since 1979 and has won national championships. It made hockey in the south an actual reality rather than a pipedream. It is important, but if it doesn't get into a conference, it will end and a great amount of history with it.
 
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I appreciate the link and that really helped to put the loss to US Under-18 into perspective, they are a very competetive group to say the least. Once again like I said before I would love to see UAH Hockey in a conference and competitive, my only point when starting my posts was if they DO NOt get a conference bid and are left independent into the indefinite future I just don't see a valid enough reason for UAH to keep throwing money and time at a program that cannot improve. There are "if's" in there, however, its looking grimmer now than it did say three years ago when the CHA initially folded. I would also like to refute the idea that UAH Hockey is the only tradition the school has. Perhaps thats true athletically, but UAh is far more well known for its engineering majors and close ties with Nasa, Boeing, and the many other contractors in and about Huntsville. Add to that the fact that UAH basketball has come to prominence and softball is always good and UAH Hockey becomes a priority just not the only priority the school has in athletics. I sincerely believe if UAH Hockey is passed over again for a conference bid after this season it will more than likely be the last hockey played in Huntsville for a while.

Fair enough. The reason some posters have been rough on you is because we believed it was evident you weren't aware (at the time of your post) of the team's conference situation, not to mention the board has had some "difficulties" with trolls in the past that tried to bring information or opinions with no basis of understanding of the special niche that college hockey has. I think everyone is happy to see that you have interest in college hockey, and there's no better place to find great information than the people that post here. Obviously my expertise is with the ECAC (after all that's where RPI, a school not all that dissimilar from UAH, happens to play), but I do care for teams that are having difficulty with keeping their programs alive (I don't take that line in my signature lightly), especially seeing as how there are currently only 59 schools with Men's Division I ice hockey teams. Being Division I gives you that national prominence, something that D-II basketball and softball doesn't necessarily give you. I believe it was mentioned earlier that when people outside of the Southeastern USA hear UAH, they think hockey, and it's that D-I that is a major factor.
 
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Is there any possibility that if UAH fails to find a conference home is moving back down to D-II out of the question, from what I've seen they have switched back and forth before? As for the Huntsville Havoc, I agree they are a very fun team to watch and I did not mean to dissrespect them in any way. What I was refering to is college level hockey in Huntsville for some time. Also, do you guys think that the basketball program, if it continues to excel could land a spot in Div-I via the Sunbelt or perhaps Conference USA? The men did beat North Texas pretty soundly. Just a few questions and thoughts.
 
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Then,
http://www.uahchargers.com/news/2012/11/13/MBB_1113123119.aspx?path=mbball
That was a major league EMBARRASSMENT. I hope it didn't set any NCAA record(s) in the disparity categories.

I suggested the Sun Belt and Conference USA for a reason. Kansas State is a Big 12 team, they play teams like Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. UAH could not compete in the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big 10, and others of that caliber. I was putting out the idea that UAH could compete with teams like Troy, North Texas, Louisiana Lafayette, etc. I seriously think that UAH could compete and excel in the lower end Div-I conferences in basketball. Maybe even the MAC. It would open the teams to better recruitment and who knows where it would go from there. Conferences make all the difference, here's hoping UAH hockey can persuade their way into one.
 
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I appreciate the link and that really helped to put the loss to US Under-18 into perspective, they are a very competetive group to say the least. ...
Getting back to hockey, note the 2-2 score with MN, one of the perennial power houses in college hockey. Plus, MN was playing their regular players. Also, note their competition for the rest of the year. Even though under-18, they are as good as any top-tier hockey program in the country. Money is no object with that program. They have academic lessons every day and then have athletic trainers and physical therapists specialized in all disciplines working with them whenever they are not on the ice. Repeating myself, watching them play is the best that hockey has to offer in my opinion except for NHL playoff hockey followed by NCAA playoff hockey. I also hope it puts the adjustments and the 1-1 tie the next night into prospective.
 
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Is there any possibility that if UAH fails to find a conference home is moving back down to D-II out of the question, from what I've seen they have switched back and forth before? As for the Huntsville Havoc, I agree they are a very fun team to watch and I did not mean to dissrespect them in any way. What I was refering to is college level hockey in Huntsville for some time. Also, do you guys think that the basketball program, if it continues to excel could land a spot in Div-I via the Sunbelt or perhaps Conference USA? The men did beat North Texas pretty soundly. Just a few questions and thoughts.

I hadn't realized the turn that this thread has taken. Let me answer this question since no one has yet. The answer is "no" because there is no D-II in hockey. There only is a D-I and a D-III. Most schools that have a general classification of D-II are D-I in hockey. The few that play D-III schedules are not eligible for the D-III championship. That is a situation that UAH rightfully doesn't want to be in.
 
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Is there any possibility that if UAH fails to find a conference home is moving back down to D-II out of the question, from what I've seen they have switched back and forth before? As for the Huntsville Havoc, I agree they are a very fun team to watch and I did not mean to dissrespect them in any way. What I was refering to is college level hockey in Huntsville for some time. Also, do you guys think that the basketball program, if it continues to excel could land a spot in Div-I via the Sunbelt or perhaps Conference USA? The men did beat North Texas pretty soundly. Just a few questions and thoughts.

As Ralph said, a D-II championship is not sponsored in ice hockey, hence why you see so many D-II teams playing D-I. As for the basketball team, because it is a cash-cow sport, UAH would need to move its entire athletics program to D-I, and I believe there is either a moratorium or heavy restrictions regarding that.
 
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Is there any possibility that if UAH fails to find a conference home is moving back down to D-II out of the question, from what I've seen they have switched back and forth before? As for the Huntsville Havoc, I agree they are a very fun team to watch and I did not mean to dissrespect them in any way. What I was refering to is college level hockey in Huntsville for some time. Also, do you guys think that the basketball program, if it continues to excel could land a spot in Div-I via the Sunbelt or perhaps Conference USA? The men did beat North Texas pretty soundly. Just a few questions and thoughts.

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: The play-up option is off the table forever since Division I changed its membership rules (hockey gets away with it because there is no Division II championship); even when you could play-up one sport, it couldn't be basketball; the Sun Belt and C-USA would laugh heartily at UAH's facilities; and there is no way that UAH is going to commit the resources necessary (or, even if the UAH administration wanted to, the Board of Trustees would allow such an expenditure) to elevate the entire program to Division I status.

Besides, without football, neither C-USA nor the Sun Belt want to take on more schools.

You'd sooner see UAH cancel sports below the Division II minimum standards and bus themselves back into the NAIA.
 
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UAH will never play DI sports beyond hockey. There is an extremely high cost of entry, tons of regulation, and the NCAA simply does not want any more DI schools.
 
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Let's not sling arrows in either direction. I am the only irrational arrow-slinger around here, dammit. [ETA: I didn't realize that this went on for another page. I didn't look at USCHO today.]

I don't give current students guff if they're not jazzed up to see the hockey program but are excited to see hoops. Fifteen years ago, the roles were exactly reversed. Lennie Acuff was just getting started at UAH when I enrolled in classes fifteen falls ago, and he's made the program into a great one. Fifteen years ago, we were winning our second Division II championship in three seasons, and hockey was a rocking place and the thing to go do on a Friday night if you were a semi-connected member of the student body. I don't expect a current student to have that perspective on things (even if I am a current student and have been for the last four semesters), but I'm happy to share it when asked.

If UAHSTUDENT is simply some athlete from another team, know that those of us who are hockey boosters want the entire athletic department to do well. If hockey is cut—and if we don't get into the WCHA, I'm quite sure that it will be—I do not expect 100% of the money that has been going to hockey stay in the athletic department. Last fall, some necessary work for the College of Nursing was listed as a target of post-hockey funds. And UAH continuing to invest in hockey has not foregone upgrades to Spragins Hall and especially Charger Park.

Let's get past this valley. UAH started losing forward momentum in the middle of the last decade when it became apparent that College Hockey America didn't have a long-term future. Findlay folded (2004), Robert Morris was all-but-forced to join (2004), Air Force left (2006), Wayne State folded (2008). All through the dissolution, UAH was the school without a clear place to play. That changed when the WCHA took Bemidji and UNO. But the problem with our CCHA bid was Penn State waiting in the wings. So we didn't get in.

But that's nearly a decade of decay in the viability of our conference situation. We knew things were bad in Findlay when Craig Barnett left in 2003. As the league kept getting worse and worse around us—and as we continued to not be an attractive fit to anyone—the recruiting suffered and the losses mounted. Doug Ross stayed on at least one year ttoo long, NCAA run notwithstanding. The state of the team that you see today is a product of all of that. But it's not a reason to just quit.

In Coach Kleinendorst, I think we've gotten a guy who has had success at levels above college that's ready to bring this program back to its previous ability and take it higher. When we get into the WCHA and have two or three full in-a-conference recruiting classes under our belts, we'll be just fine, and we'll be back to a program that students can take pride in, and then we'll be at the crossroads?

Hockey school?
Basketball school?
How about both. [And don't you forget softball.]

I'm a UAH hockey person, to be sure, but this is my school at all facets. I hold one engineering degree and am working on a second, but I care about the College of Liberal Arts and support it with my time and talents. I care that we still have a very good Nursing program. I'm pleased that the College of Science continues to grow. It seems like every semester brings a few new undergraduate concentrations in the College of Business. It's all good.

GFM

ETA: This kind of stuff tells me that I need to write a "hang-in-there" post for everyone, but especially new students. The hook for hockey when I was a freshman was, "Hockey, yeah, but we win!" We have half of that right now.
 
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No, what's embarrassing is that UAH is trying to pass it off as an "exhibition game" in violation of NCAA statistics rules. Once you play a game that counts, every game (against U.S. four-year institutions) has to count.

Actually, it's NCAA scheduling rules that are being applied. Division II basketball teams can only play 26 regular season games, and can play up to three exhibitions against non-Division II opponents. That's why the first three NIT games (North Texas, Kansas State, and Cleveland State) are our exhibitions for the year (note we didn't play any exhibitions at the start of the season), and the fourth game against Bowling Green counted in the record (the one loss so far).

It doesn't really matter anyway -- the NCAA Tournament committee won't consider games against D-I opponents, so they might as well be exhibitions in their eyes.
 
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Hockey school?
Basketball school?
How about both. [And don't you forget softball.]

Our ultimate goal should be to drive the sports information office insane because they have to figure out how to handle three NCAA Tournaments at once. That's what I want to see. :)
 
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I was sick and didn't make Saturday afternoon's game, but I was there on Friday night and I can tell you that Coach Kleinendorst wasn't happy with the effort. Based on what I read about today's, I'm not going to guess that he was too much happier. Sure, there were a lot of SOG on Friday night, but many of them were outside of the slot. Sure, their guy was giving up big rebounds, but that's not a reason to settle for a lesser shot.

GFM
 
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I was sick and didn't make Saturday afternoon's game, but I was there on Friday night and I can tell you that Coach Kleinendorst wasn't happy with the effort. Based on what I read about today's, I'm not going to guess that he was too much happier. Sure, there were a lot of SOG on Friday night, but many of them were outside of the slot. Sure, their guy was giving up big rebounds, but that's not a reason to settle for a lesser shot.

GFM

For Saturday, only the second period were the Chargers clicking. The first and third periods were just dull -- as if just going through the motions. Fortunate Finlandia didn't capitalize on it more.
 
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Seeing their lack of hustle, getting beat to the puck, and still getting 50+ shots on Fri. prompted us to stay home and make better use of our time Sat. afternoon.
 
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