Re: TV: One Person's Trash...
Main takeaway: HBO really hasn't had many good shows.
Personal list, obviously not objective:
1. Westworld (S1). The greatest show in television history so obviously #1 here.
2. Veep
3. Dream On
4. Game of Thrones
5. Flight of the Conchords
6. The Newsroom
7. Leftovers (S1)
8. Succession
9. Vinyl
10. Rome
Never saw but probably would have liked:
Larry Sanders
Philip Marlowe
True Detective (S1)
Yeah, I really think Westworld got jobbed. Granted, it's only two seasons long so it has room to move up or down.
I personally liked The Newsroom but I know it was hated by a lot of AV Club nerds. If this didn't have Sorkin's name attached to it, it wouldn't have been panned anywhere near what it was. Besides, how can you hate a show that got Sam Watterson to say "f-ck"?
And based upon their bizarre criteria, The Deuce should be moved down a couple dozen spots.
From the article:
Generally speaking, the top ten here should be considered canonical television: Shows that didn’t just distinguish themselves with their quality and cultural reach, but which suggested entirely new approaches to making TV
Sopranos - Yes
Deadwood - ??? (haven't seen)
The Wire - Yes (haven't seen)
Larry Sanders - Yes (haven't seen)
Sex and the City - Probably (haven't seen)
The Leftovers - ??? (haven't seen entirely)
Curb Your Enthusiasm - Not entire sure it qualifies, but it's great
Game of Thrones - Yes
Veep - Maybe (haven't seen)
Oz - Not sure, but considering this might have been the genesis of
good shows with boobs and swears on HBO, sure. (haven't seen)
And if the list is "[focused on] how the network changed television by competing directly with broadcast TV", then Game of Thrones should be a heck of a lot higher. It has redefined "TV epic" in a way we haven't seen since Roots. I'm not sure The Leftovers qualifies as high as it did based on these criteria either. It might be a great show (I've tried watching it twice, but get kind of bored around the end of the fourth episode), I know a few on here think it's brilliant, but did it really define how HBO competed against even basic cable? Did it really change how TV is made? And maybe you can throw Veep in that pile of amazing shows but not really redefining. Veep is basically a serial comedy just done to perfection.
There aren't many shows that can really qualify for that top ten list. Sopranos, Oz, Game of Thrones, The Wire are all easy to put in that category. I haven't seen Deadwood, Sex in the City, or Larry Sanders, but I suspect they are in that category. Curb might fit if only because it's almost entirely improvised and it's done impeccably. No one else does that and I'm not sure I can think of another show like it.
The bottom ten would be the dregs: The real misbegotten products of the whole HBO experiment.
Haven't seen any of these except for The Newsroom. I
vehemently disagree with this being called one of HBO's dregs.
Everything in between falls into more of a loose continuum. Each has their merits — and, no doubt, fans who’ll be mad they’re not ranked higher — but in determining which was a “somewhere in the 50s” show versus “somewhere in the 20s,” we tried to consider not just entertainment value, but originality and ambition. What is HBO doing here that other media outlets aren’t?
But isn't that basically using a random number generator if you can't differentiate between a bottom third show and a top third show? Seems like a pretty silly approach.