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TV 10: Blacklisted Sons: The Musical

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Gurtholfin said:
I simply don't find Gemma to be interesting and more of her is not a good thing. I will say that Sagal plays her quite well, but I enjoyed Gemma more when Clay was there to balance her. I like Nero, but he's not Clay.

I disagree that Jax has developed. You can see the results of his downward spiral, but they didn't bother to show the process - it's just assumed. All we get are more instances of him thanking the club for standing by him and some more "I love you man"s that now fall completely flat.

By not showing the process of the downward spiral and the emotional anguish that led to it, they failed to bring me along for the ride. Show me the rage and devastating sorrow before you show me the torturing of the supposed killer. It would have had a lot more impact. The way it was presented just seemed gratuitous.
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As an introvert, I followed his downward spiral quite well. He keeps things to himself; you can probably imagine his thought process, and even moreso if your personality is like his. He plays out each outcome in his head, and then acts on the "best" path, which we are finding out is not always the best, and leaves the rest wondering, and relying on loyalty. Even others associated with the MC has said, "I don't know what Jax is thinking" in many situations.

And Gemma should not be balanced now. She is the tipping point of this whole season. She needs to be exposed, which is what is happening. Slowly, sure, but still happening. As sad as it is, and to bring up BB....in BB there were no good people. In SOA....at least Nero and Wendy (and now Wayne) are at least TRYING to atone for their wrongdoings.
 
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Like I've said, I'm going to see it through.

Maybe Sutter is just setting me up and will floor me in the end. I doubt it, but one can hope.
 
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Brenthoven said:
As an introvert, I followed his downward spiral quite well. He keeps things to himself; you can probably imagine his thought process, and even moreso if your personality is like his. He plays out each outcome in his head, and then acts on the "best" path, which we are finding out is not always the best, and leaves the rest wondering, and relying on loyalty. Even others associated with the MC has said, "I don't know what Jax is thinking" in many situations.

And Gemma should not be balanced now. She is the tipping point of this whole season. She needs to be exposed, which is what is happening. Slowly, sure, but still happening. As sad as it is, and to bring up BB....in BB there were no good people. In SOA....at least Nero and Wendy (and now Wayne) are at least TRYING to atone for their wrongdoings.
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The genius of BB is that you couldn't help but like and pull for the "bad" guys.
 
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I think you know this, but I'm not saying that you or anyone else shouldn't be enjoying SOA.

Just saying how I feel about it. I wouldn't care if I didn't like it so much through the first several seasons.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
I think you know this, but I'm not saying that you or anyone else shouldn't be enjoying SOA.

Just saying how I feel about it. I wouldn't care if I didn't like it so much through the first several seasons.
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In general, I think SOA is being nitpicked due to the other GREAT shows (even if not my tastes are involved) in the past years. That's my nitpick.

That being said, there are criticisms warranted, and which is why the show is not great. It's only very good.

That's from a neutral standpoint. From a personal standpoint, I absolutely love the show despite its shortcomings.
 
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I think Gurt's explanation of how he feels about SOA is pretty close to how I feel. They took a show going in an excellent direction, and slowly transformed it into a show where I don't care about any of the characters, and just hope they all die. I think that indicates weak writing, at least in the last few seasons. I don't think the overall story arc is the problem, it is the way the story is written within that arc that has made me indifferent.

I still enjoy the show enough to finish it out, I want to see what happens, it just won't have the impact that a BB did, because I'm not invested in the characters anymore.

Also, I think you could argue that Jesse in BB is just as much of a good guy as Wayne in SOA. And there were plenty other good guys in BB, more than SOA. Hank, Marie, Walt Jr, Holly, Gomez, etc. All were people that BB got me invested in, even though they were smaller roles (some smaller than others), and all were the good in the show. There is no good left in SOA, except for Jax's kids, and I'm not even emotionally invested in them anymore, because they are just an afterthought to even the writers at this point.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I want to see what happens, it just won't have the impact that a BB did, because I'm not invested in the characters anymore.
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Take Bobby for instance. It doesn't faze me that he's being taken apart a piece at a time other than me being squeamish in general about such things.

But for Bobby in particular, as a viewer, I should care that he will no longer be able to ride or that he is down to one eye. I should care that his life is forever altered and that he's lost what's most important to him.

I don't coz they haven't showed a human side to him since season 2 or 3. He's just another thug now. I don't have a problem with thugs and could even be made to care about them, but the writing didn't take me there.


And back to Gemma - yes, her actions are central to all of the **** that's hitting the fan. Her personal psychodrama and unravelling are not though and we don't need to be shown her burying her birds in the backyard or her being all badass on a teacher at school or her connecting with a waitress in a truck stop. That time in this episode and just about every episode could have been better spent on making me care about Bobby and especially illustrating Jax's unravelling and inner turmoil.

This is a show about a biker gang and a leader of a biker gang. It's not a show about the matriarch of a biker gang - or at least it shouldn't have been.

Who do we know more about personally right now? Who are we more in touch with in terms of their emotions? Jax or Gemma?


That right there is a real big problem for me.

It's my opinion that Sutter has made this show too much about the character that his wife plays. He may not even realize this as he's likely too close to the material to see it.
 
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The Simpsons Halloween Special V (or Treehouse of Horror V if you prefer) is on. This is probably my favorite of the Halloween episodes. The Shinning, Time and Punishment, and Nightmare Cafeteria are all great and were the three stories I most remembered from all the Halloween specials.
 
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Proud2baLaker said:
The Simpsons Halloween Special V (or Treehouse of Horror V if you prefer) is on. This is probably my favorite of the Halloween episodes. The Shinning, Time and Punishment, and Nightmare Cafeteria are all great and were the three stories I most remembered from all the Halloween specials.
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"Shut up, boy, do you want to get sued?!" Most of the early ones were just genius. Most of them were really good until they started into the years with the Harry Potter spoof. They hit a lull then.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I think Gurt's explanation of how he feels about SOA is pretty close to how I feel. They took a show going in an excellent direction, and slowly transformed it into a show where I don't care about any of the characters, and just hope they all die. I think that indicates weak writing, at least in the last few seasons. I don't think the overall story arc is the problem, it is the way the story is written within that arc that has made me indifferent.

I still enjoy the show enough to finish it out, I want to see what happens, it just won't have the impact that a BB did, because I'm not invested in the characters anymore.

Also, I think you could argue that Jesse in BB is just as much of a good guy as Wayne in SOA. And there were plenty other good guys in BB, more than SOA. Hank, Marie, Walt Jr, Holly, Gomez, etc. All were people that BB got me invested in, even though they were smaller roles (some smaller than others), and all were the good in the show. There is no good left in SOA, except for Jax's kids, and I'm not even emotionally invested in them anymore, because they are just an afterthought to even the writers at this point.
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I disagree with Marie. She had no redeeming qualities, including the WTeFF kleptomaniac sidestory that lasted a couple episodes. Hank bent the rules, Walt Jr was ok, Gomez was okay, Holly....nonfactor.
 
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Last Survivor was a textbook example of know when to stop talking. Dale, who looked irrevocably screwed, concocted and executed a perfect end run featuring a fake idol, deft deployment of hearsay, and setting two cliques at each other's throats. All he had to do was step back, keep his head down, and let the poison do its work -- not only was he safe for a council, but probably well on his way to forming a new majority alliance after the merge. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, he had to keep plotting, keep wriggling, and keep talking. And so of course that roiled the waters and ruined it for him.
 
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It is kind of a hoot sometimes to watch reruns of old-time lawyer and detective shows.

the original Perry Mason came out before the Miranda decision. Police arrest people every show and never once read them their rights.

Columbo came out well before the OJ Simpson trial. He carries evidence around in his coat pocket. No "chain of custody" concerns for him!
 
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I get that Discovery Channel is not about education and hasn't been for a while now... But I guess they have a show dedicated to having a guy being eaten alive by a snake coming up in December.... I will admit that I'm dumb enough to watch this whole Skyscraper Live thing just on the off chance that we have a SPLAT....
 
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Forever is settled into its ways. I enjoy the interaction between the leads, and I love the inside joke that for a detective she's lousy at detecting anything. It sometimes seems to veer towards maudlin with the flash backs, but nothing too atrocious. And I could look at his lost love for hours -- she might be the most lovely woman on television. It's all make-up and hair: looking at the actress' natural look she is, not to put too fine a point on it, a skank.

Gotham has definitely established a piston pattern - reflective/expository episode followed by action/twist episode. I'm liking it more and more, having found the secret (FF-edit Bruce and Gordon's squeeze). I liked the depth we are getting on Harvey. And as everyone has been beating to death, Cobblepot is stealing the show -- really, he and Nygma are the show.
 
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So, the Walking Dead proceeded much slower than I expected last night. I thought there would be 1 episode and we'd see what/who Darrel brought back to the church, but we didn't see that. The Beth-centric episode was ok, but it wasn't my favorite. Looks like next week we are following the group that are DC-bound.
 
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Kepler said:
Forever is settled into its ways. I enjoy the interaction between the leads, and I love the inside joke that for a detective she's lousy at detecting anything. It sometimes seems to veer towards maudlin with the flash backs, but nothing too atrocious. And I could look at his lost love for hours -- she might be the most lovely woman on television. It's all make-up and hair: looking at the actress' natural look she is, not to put too fine a point on it, a skank.

Gotham has definitely established a piston pattern - reflective/expository episode followed by action/twist episode. I'm liking it more and more, having found the secret (FF-edit Bruce and Gordon's squeeze). I liked the depth we are getting on Harvey. And as everyone has been beating to death, Cobblepot is stealing the show -- really, he and Nygma are the show.
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I think Nygma has been a little over the top myself, but I do love all the hints to the future from everyone including him.
 
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