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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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joecct said:
Kep - this is an experiment. I think Cabinet 1.0 lasts <2 years before the idealoges are forced out in favor of the pragmatists for Trump2.0.

If not, in 2 years you get a D Congress and we'll wait for 2020 to rearrange the deck chairs.
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If you got suckered in by emailz! you'll buy the next one just as hard.
 
Kepler said:
You would think, but the electorate is so Balkanized Republicans may never even know if there is anything blameworthy. Breitbart has completed the FNC revolution: his readers are post-factual. Trump simply lies flat out not even trying to make it convincing. He states things he desires as fact. And his audience has been trained since birth that anybody who says differently must be lying. Perfect epistemic closure.

That was interesting when it was the gadfly opposition, but now it's actually running the country. We are about to be flown by a pilot who believes physics is, by definition, what he wants it to be. That is the experiment.
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The fun/scary part - what if the pilot is taking us to a destination where noone has gone before?

Washington has stopped functioning. You know it, I know it. I believe most of this thread also knows it. The States are headed the same way, with some having already left reality.

Something has to stop this march to destruction. tD will either push us over the edge or cause us to slap ourselves and ask WTH are we doing?
 
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joecct said:
The fun/scary part - what if the pilot is taking us to a destination where noone has gone before?

Washington has stopped functioning. You know it, I know it. I believe most of this thread also knows it. The States are headed the same way, with some having already left reality.

Something has to stop this march to destruction. tD will either push us over the edge or cause us to slap ourselves and ask WTH are we doing?
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A terrorist blows up the tracks. Then he says, "the train's late, the engineer has let us down."
 
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rufus said:
Just working the refs. Figuring he can sufficiently cow them into giving him favorable coverage if they want to have access for the next four years. Gonna be a steady diet of this, Trump giving and denying access to his Lordship in order to get what he wants.

Which is apparently to let the wingnuts do what they want while he uses the office of the president to expand Trump business opportunities.
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Frankly, I'd rather see the NYT et al just drop the issue because it's a distraction and a political loser. Holding press conferences only matters if you're a women running for president. If people didn't care about the traditions of candidates releasing taxes and presidents placing business interests in blind trusts, they're sure as hell not going to care about some press pool tradition. What is even gained if Trump provides a sit-down interview? He can roll through talking points and lies.

The better strategy is to stick to the investigative work detailing Trump's businesses--the way they preyed on the vulnerable during the recession, and the way he's using the presidency to fill his own pockets. You don't need "access" for that.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Frankly, I'd rather see the NYT et al just drop the issue because it's a distraction and a political loser. Holding press conferences only matters if you're a women running for president. If people didn't care about the traditions of candidates releasing taxes and presidents placing business interests in blind trusts, they're sure as hell not going to care about some press pool tradition. What is even gained if Trump provides a sit-down interview? He can roll through talking points and lies.

The better strategy is to stick to the investigative work detailing Trump's businesses--the way they preyed on the vulnerable during the recession, and the way he's using the presidency to fill his own pockets. You don't need "access" for that.
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I agree with this, but it's also important to give Trump a lot of opportunities to lie on the record.

joe's experiment will become interesting when people start suffering. Not immigrants or the non-white -- the right doesn't care about them. But Trump voters. When the Republicans gut Medicare and repeal Obamacare, it's not limousine liberals who will be worst hurt, it's blue collar Rust Belt and Bible Belt whites. We have education and job flexibility. They're f-cked. Trump will have to find somebody to blame. He can probably get away with blaming Obama for a while, and maybe he'll blame Big Med and Insurance (although that will make the rest of the corporate cons very unhappy). Pretty much whichever direction he turns is going to gore oxes (oxen?).
 
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How clickbait works and how fake news is done.

Cataphoric headlines -- titles that refer to something within the article -- are now often branded as clickbait: "You won't believe why police arrested this 102-year-old woman" is a classic example while "Nintendo's Super Mario Run for iPhone and iPad now has a release date and price" is a more subtle take. They're withholding all or some of the news from the potential readers, in order to get them to click.

Many of the fake stories highlighted by BuzzFeed News employ similar tactics. The top story in the lead-up to the election was "Pope Francis Shocks World, Endorses Donald Trump for President, Releases Statement." Much of the news is there, but the author has appended "releases statement" to the headline to ensure you click. Next is "WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS... Then Drops Another BOMBSHELL!" This follows the same pattern: valuable information up front, cataphora later.

The third-placed story, "IT'S OVER: Hillary's ISIS Email Just Leaked & It's Worse Than Anyone Could Have Imagined" is the most cataphoric, offering way more tease than information. Berger calls this a curiosity gap. "It raises awareness of a gap in knowledge, where clicking on the link is the only way to solve the puzzle."

This suggests that preposterous stories are inherently more clickable than believable ones. Perhaps that shouldn't be a surprise. Humans are easily manipulated: With only a meager understanding of our psychology, politicians, journalists, marketers, filmmakers, authors and, yes, news scam artists, are able to make us think and feel pretty much whatever they want.
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Kepler said:
I agree with this, but it's also important to give Trump a lot of opportunities to lie on the record.
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Yes, but do good reporting and he'll come to them rather than relying on the other way around.

Case in point from yesterday:
Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump’s transition office, at first disputed that Mr. Trump had raised the subject of wind farms with Mr. Farage, suggesting that participants in the conversation “denied this took place.” However, when pressed with the fact that one of the meeting’s attendees, Mr. Wigmore, had described the conversation in detail, she declined repeated requests to comment.
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joecct said:
Kep - this is an experiment. I think Cabinet 1.0 lasts <2 years before the idealoges are forced out in favor of the pragmatists for Trump2.0.

If not, in 2 years you get a D Congress and we'll wait for 2020 to rearrange the deck chairs.

BTW, if not Trump in 2020, who will be the 2 facing off in 11/2020??
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If the first two years go as bad as many think they will and the Ds get a wave in 2018 my guess is Trump declines to run and Pence runs on a "dont change horses in mid-stream" type campaign. The Dems...no clue but they will be left leaning for sure.
 
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aparch said:
Had an interesting phone call with an older family friend last night that left me [ ] close to veering for a tree out of frustration.

Friend: "Well, I'm glad that lying b*tch Hillary didn't win."

Me: You do realize that Trump lied a lot more, mocked the disabled, told a military family to pound sand, physically assaulted women, and you still voted for him?

F: Yep, because at least it's not Hillary. He'll clean out crap like her.

Me: You mean by replacing politicians like her with retread Republicans that already got thrown out years ago?

F: *Pause* He'll get it done.

Me: *Internally screaming* *long pause* So have you heard Paul Ryan wants to cut your Medicare.

F: Yeah, I just read that in AARP. And our union newsletter. Cut Medicare, Social Security, and take my union pension away!

Me: And with a Republican in the White House, a Republican majority Congress, they can just rubber stamp the changes into effect.

F: Well, they said they'd out up a fight, and fight like hell to keep it.

Me: Who said?

F: (Named two bluer than blue Democrats that I cannot remember).

Me: They can't do much if the Republican Congress passes it and the Republican President okays it.

F: Trump won't 'em do that.

Me: *silently contemplates driving into the median at 70 MPH*

Me: Alright, well I have to go, traffic is terrible. Talk later.
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I had this same conversation with someone. Also, when my father the pragmatist said "We have to give him a chance" I said "Hey I am all for giving him a chance, it isnt my social security he is going to gut or my medicare!". He paused, said "Yeah I am screwed but thats politics I guess...we can only hope we are all wrong".

Can we put forth an amendment that states like Florida that rejected the federal government are not allowed any federal funding or relief? Time to do what the GOP advocates and starve out the takers!!
 
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Kepler said:
They're only asking the question.
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Dont worry no one will care it is about to be THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!! Everyone will ***** they cant have their tree in their lobby and wonder why some of us laugh at them. That is way more important than the people who elected our President and follow the racist members of his cabinet think THE OTHERS are actually people or not.

Congrats America...you are now Europe!
 
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Handyman said:
If the first two years go as bad as many think they will and the Ds get a wave in 2018 my guess is Trump declines to run and Pence runs on a "dont change horses in mid-stream" type campaign. The Dems...no clue but they will be left leaning for sure.
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I'm not even sure left/right will be the way the next election goes. In 1976 Carter didn't run on left/right at all, he ran on integrity vs dishonesty. Carter was actually the first born again to win a major party nomination and was far more conservative than the prior 10 years of Democrats. He won because people were sick of Republican corruption from Nixon, Agnew and others. Scoop Jackson attempted to run a standard left/right campaign and didn't even come close.

The next election might be a reaction against Trump's gimcrackery, in which case gravitas and straight forwardness will get a premium. Booker exudes that (whether or not he actually embodies it) and Harris seems to be building her career as Obama with a vagina, i.e., thoughtfulness and intellect. The Castro Bros. a bit more in the Rubio mold: pretty boys who act like the pledge class president and never offend anybody. Gillibrand is kind of the Lois Lane, ace girl reporter equivalent (but my god you better hope she doesn't run or I will be mooning all over her every day). If the wars heat up, Duckworth might make a run on the old stars and stripes.

The paddypower odds are name recognition garbage right now.
 
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I have sseen Gillibrand speak...she would be a great candidate IMHO.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
That said, it should come as no surprise that there is a noticeable correlation between inner-city voters, and substance abuse. These people have been fcked by our economic system for years, and heroin continues to be a huge problem in bigger cities across the country, thanks largely to over-prescription of opiates that doctors pushed as part of the medical-pharmaceutical complex.

It's just a shame that they can't figure out that their problem isn't solely the fault of the government.

1) First and foremost, it's them. No one is forcing them to drink or use. They won't be able to get a good job if they are actively using, and even if they could, employment alone isn't very likely to clean them up.
2) It's their lack of access to the healthcare they need when they decide to get clean/sober. And that is government and society's fault. However, electing Clinton and Democrats isn't going to fix their lack of motivation to get up and do something.
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Really? I can make some minor changes to your statement that could be just as true but are still a ridiculous generalization. And some on here would probably call racist because instead of insinuating white blue collar workers, it's now about those in the poorest parts of the US.

Yes the heroin problem is growing and is a problem for all of America. But you managed to associate it just with blue-collar white folk to try and prove some stupid political point.

Heroin users, both rich and poor, drastically increased their usage of Heroin:

Those making below $20,000 saw heroin usage rise by 62%.
Between $20,000 – $49,999, heroin usage rose 77%
Above $50,000, usage increased by 60%.

Everyone is doing it, not just those who voted Trump.
 
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