Timothy to your “why stick around” comment, I would have originally agreed with you, but I think the existence of the NW and all the women who go to Europe to play tells us a lot of them want to play hockey for at least another year even if comes at the expense of starting their non hockey career. And we all know the college infrastructure is better than anything else out there right now. Some might perceive opportunity to win a national championship is better than usual next year, with the stars centralized. So we’ll see. I do think it will be the hockey diehards and really strong players that stick around, if any. A third line senior, as sad as it is what happened to their end of junior year and first half senior, no I don’t think they would stick around.
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Transfer Portal - Good or Evil?
- Thread starter Hockeybuckeye
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Timothy - I think you actually make a stronger argument for the academically oriented young ladies to stay as long a possible. Why stick around? Get a master's degree. Any STEM major can finish a master's in 1-year. An MBA is usually 2-years. Law School 3-years. MD 4-years. If you have a chance to get 1 of those years paid for (in some cases 2-years paid if red shirts / medical red shirts still count) that is a big deal. None of this is possible at an Ivy while still playing but great schools are out there with strong graduate programs.
Hockeybuckeye
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Reminds me of an old joke about grad students from back in the day.
Q - "How many grad students does it take to change a light bulb?"
A - " Just one. But it takes them 9 years to do it!"
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Don't know if you are serious about getting the details of how Bench got to Minnesota but here is an article that gives the details.
https://www.stateofhockey.com/news_article/show/1136401
No doubt there will be a lot of tough conversations that need to take place after the season is over. Not just about who the coach wants rostered but who gets how much scholarship money.
I agree with both of you. I do think many women want to play in Europe for a period of time for the experience. But playing a 5th year and then going to Europe extends that delay of their non-hockey career so I think that may actually work in reverse or it will be a choice of one or the other for many women. Getting a graduate degree is a good option if you are a top player and there is a program at a university that matches your academic abilities.
Hockeybuckeye
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
I can certainly see this side of the ledger as well.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
I had no idea how she ended up there.
As I said earlier in the thread there is gonna be some really tough conversations that have already started with kids prior to senior day. These conversations are:
1. Between coaches and players "due to prior commitments we dont have a spot for you next year".
2. Between players and coaches "I want to transfer up/down/sideways but away from here where I will play more or win more or with my friend or closer to home".
3. Between college coaches and HS kids "we have to keep this kid who lost her (insert year in school lost here) and dont have the space or scholly $ we talked about".
4. Between college coaches and HS parents "we dont have the athletic $ or space for your kid that we had when we offered them 1/2/3 years ago due to this/that/other reason."
The rich gonna get richer (MN/WI/BC/etc) and a lot older. Also coaching and development is going to matter more than it has in the past because there are going to be more kids with above average skills that will be younger but see that they will not play for a year or more at the powerhouse schools (see MN/WI this season). I think that we are going to see transfer kids from powerhouse schools that dont see ice (has happened for a while) that are really good players but not super elite. That has happened in the past but could happen more.
St Thomas is going to be a beneficiary and hot landing place for some of those kids from MN/WI/IL/MI that want to play in the WCHA and play at a high level. I expect St Thomas to be better than Mankato, St Cloud, Bemidji, and on par with UMD in 2-4 years from grad students and more home grown kids that are pushed out for various reasons. It is a school that is typically generous with aid, is in the Twin Cities, and has an excellent network and pipeline to various companies and careers in MN and beyond.
There is talk amongst the locals here in Twin Cities of the gophers having down recruiting classes to Mankato and UMD in the next 2 years due to Frosty not choosing the right kids before the last NCAA recruiting change. Should be interesting as they graduate some great players this year and next...
1. Between coaches and players "due to prior commitments we dont have a spot for you next year".
2. Between players and coaches "I want to transfer up/down/sideways but away from here where I will play more or win more or with my friend or closer to home".
3. Between college coaches and HS kids "we have to keep this kid who lost her (insert year in school lost here) and dont have the space or scholly $ we talked about".
4. Between college coaches and HS parents "we dont have the athletic $ or space for your kid that we had when we offered them 1/2/3 years ago due to this/that/other reason."
The rich gonna get richer (MN/WI/BC/etc) and a lot older. Also coaching and development is going to matter more than it has in the past because there are going to be more kids with above average skills that will be younger but see that they will not play for a year or more at the powerhouse schools (see MN/WI this season). I think that we are going to see transfer kids from powerhouse schools that dont see ice (has happened for a while) that are really good players but not super elite. That has happened in the past but could happen more.
St Thomas is going to be a beneficiary and hot landing place for some of those kids from MN/WI/IL/MI that want to play in the WCHA and play at a high level. I expect St Thomas to be better than Mankato, St Cloud, Bemidji, and on par with UMD in 2-4 years from grad students and more home grown kids that are pushed out for various reasons. It is a school that is typically generous with aid, is in the Twin Cities, and has an excellent network and pipeline to various companies and careers in MN and beyond.
There is talk amongst the locals here in Twin Cities of the gophers having down recruiting classes to Mankato and UMD in the next 2 years due to Frosty not choosing the right kids before the last NCAA recruiting change. Should be interesting as they graduate some great players this year and next...
But I absolutely believe that the overall skill and talent level of womens players is going to get better and better. If you are a college player you better train your brains out or you might lose your spot on the 1st or 2nd line or even on the team and if you are a HS player you better believe that the college players are not going to want to lose ice time to some HS kid.
Regarding schollys, my understanding is that for next season (21-22), and current senior's scholly will not count against the cap. So in 21-22, the max scholly is 18+# of current seniors. But, this goes away the following year (so down to 18) and yea, that makes a very hard discussion to a player recruited 2+ years ago. Does not mean that the school has to do this or can even afford so that is not guaranteed. Also, would not put it past some coaches to use this as a reason to drop players they did not want to keep or whose development did not improve and thus no longer want. In the youth area, a lot of current seniors are looking at gap years as well as juniors looking to delay, but not really sure if a player could not hack it in their current grad year if waiting a year actually changes anything
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
This is a loaded section. St. Thomas will be that good right out of the gate to slot into the 5 hole? Academically, how do they rate vs MSU, SCSU, BSU and even UMD? Obviously the B16 schools are the big dogs academically.
Hockeybuckeye
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Here's the link to the NCAA on their view of the Transfer Portal and what it's function was designed to be.
https://www.ncaa.org/static/champion/what-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-is/
https://www.ncaa.org/static/champion/what-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-is/
robertearle
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Minnesota people can correct me if I have it wrong, but based on ACT or SAT scores, the internet says Univ of Minn the hardest to get in, then St Thomas, then Duluth, then the Minn State system schools, without much 'space' between Duluth and the others.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
It depends on the specific degree field, but in general, the MIAC schools are right up there. Meaning, if you can gain admission to St. Thomas, I would think that you can could get into the U of M. Privates tend to want their students to be more involved in extra-curricular activities in H.S., or it's more of an area of emphasis than it is for the state schools.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Are you talking about the 2021/2022 and 2022/2023 rectuiting classes? if so, definitely not next years recruiting class as that is, on paper, a terrific class for Minnesota.
The landcows 2021 class is pedestrian in comparison but UMD does have, again on paper, a pretty darn good class coming in. Would I trade it for Minnesota's?...Nope.
Now the 2022 class...That is a little more of a question. The issue for Minnesota is the injury problems for Claire Enright (She seems to be ok this year) and the transfer issues with Rilee Winters and Madison Kaiser. Neither of them have played this year. The class still headlines with Vivian Jungels, so no issue there. I do like the potential of the landcows 2022 class better than UMD's for what that is worth
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U of M is the most difficult and esteemed, then St Thomas, then the rest. For an above average student more $$$ available academically at UST then U of M. St Thomas lacks on the facilities for hockey today but that should get better at some point in the future...
As goal scorers go Edina's Emma Conner is supposed be really good, and she backs that up by scoring 21 goals in just 11 games, against very good competition.
Edit: Off topic I know but Edina/BSM is on live right now if you happen to see this.
https://youtu.be/VIsoNRdFVUQ
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