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Toyotas acceleration issues
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ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
It's basically the same conclusion that was reached when the Audi 5000 had all of those "acceleration" problems. However, the result was better placement of the brake and gas pedals, and automatic transmissions that require braking before you can shift out of park or neutral.
On the "plus side" Toyota is devoting even more resources to quality control and safety, which probably won't bode well for its competitors.
It's basically the same conclusion that was reached when the Audi 5000 had all of those "acceleration" problems. However, the result was better placement of the brake and gas pedals, and automatic transmissions that require braking before you can shift out of park or neutral.
On the "plus side" Toyota is devoting even more resources to quality control and safety, which probably won't bode well for its competitors.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Yeah, they basically want to shorten the size of the gas pedal on Priuses (Prii?). My mom had it done to hers and it was kind of annoying to drive, still trying to avoid it on mine for as long as possible.
Wasn't this also happening to one of the American brands a couple weeks ago? Funny how the media and politicians didn't keep harping on it when it was an American company (that we now part own), but a foreign company was open season.
Yeah, they basically want to shorten the size of the gas pedal on Priuses (Prii?). My mom had it done to hers and it was kind of annoying to drive, still trying to avoid it on mine for as long as possible.
Wasn't this also happening to one of the American brands a couple weeks ago? Funny how the media and politicians didn't keep harping on it when it was an American company (that we now part own), but a foreign company was open season.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
And they also want to take the floor mats out too, but that's less of a hassle. The main case where the floor mat came into affect when a dealer put in the wrong floor mats, so for people that have the slightest idea how to place the right mat in that shouldn't be an issue.
And they also want to take the floor mats out too, but that's less of a hassle. The main case where the floor mat came into affect when a dealer put in the wrong floor mats, so for people that have the slightest idea how to place the right mat in that shouldn't be an issue.
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
I'd have to go back and find my post on this but there was an article regarding how the Audi 100 issue ended up being the same thing. In this day and age everybody is looking for the big conspiracy and it is ok to do this type of hyper-hysteria mongering because it is 'for the benefit of the public'. That it turns out to be false and has a huge impact on the company in question, and their stockholders, is ok because they 'are a corporation'.
I'd have to go back and find my post on this but there was an article regarding how the Audi 100 issue ended up being the same thing. In this day and age everybody is looking for the big conspiracy and it is ok to do this type of hyper-hysteria mongering because it is 'for the benefit of the public'. That it turns out to be false and has a huge impact on the company in question, and their stockholders, is ok because they 'are a corporation'.
God Bless America. 
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Remember all those commercials that Toyota put out, smacking down GM and Chrysler when they went bankrupt?
Yeah, I don't either.
I'm not a huge Toyota person, but . . . we hosed them.
Remember all those commercials that Toyota put out, smacking down GM and Chrysler when they went bankrupt?
Yeah, I don't either.
I'm not a huge Toyota person, but . . . we hosed them.
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Im not at all surprised. These stories of runaway Toyotas all stopped after that one guy claimed his Prius wouldnt stop and it was later found that there was nothing wrong with his car and that he was way behind on all his bills and was about to file bankruptcy and was trying to scam Toyota into a multi million dollar settlement.
I never really believed there was a problem simply because they couldnt recreate SUA in the lab. People were claiming there was a problem, but no one ever really had any scientific data that backed up those claims.
Now we have the black box recorders that are showing that the gas pedal was depressed by the brake was not, so clearly it was a matter of driver error.
Its funy that congress is in denial about these results. Stating that they dont believe its a matter of driver error, that they feel the test results are, "inconclusive".
This bodes badly for Toyota's competitors because all it has done is made Toyota work even harder to make their vehicles better. You could say all they have done is awakened a sleeping giant.
As someone who has owned Toyotas for many years and is a Toyota enthusiast, this is good news.
Im not at all surprised. These stories of runaway Toyotas all stopped after that one guy claimed his Prius wouldnt stop and it was later found that there was nothing wrong with his car and that he was way behind on all his bills and was about to file bankruptcy and was trying to scam Toyota into a multi million dollar settlement.
I never really believed there was a problem simply because they couldnt recreate SUA in the lab. People were claiming there was a problem, but no one ever really had any scientific data that backed up those claims.
Now we have the black box recorders that are showing that the gas pedal was depressed by the brake was not, so clearly it was a matter of driver error.
Its funy that congress is in denial about these results. Stating that they dont believe its a matter of driver error, that they feel the test results are, "inconclusive".
This bodes badly for Toyota's competitors because all it has done is made Toyota work even harder to make their vehicles better. You could say all they have done is awakened a sleeping giant.
As someone who has owned Toyotas for many years and is a Toyota enthusiast, this is good news.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Huh, so you think it's a coincidence that this just so happened to be around the same time the fix came out right? I'm still not convinced it wasn't a defect of some sort, whether that was a hardware or programming defect.
That being said, I'd rather torch my transmission and shift it into neutral than get stuck in unstoppable acceleration.
Huh, so you think it's a coincidence that this just so happened to be around the same time the fix came out right? I'm still not convinced it wasn't a defect of some sort, whether that was a hardware or programming defect.
That being said, I'd rather torch my transmission and shift it into neutral than get stuck in unstoppable acceleration.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
I drive Toyotas too, and I'm not surprised Michigan's (a.k.a. Congress') reaction is to deny it rather than maybe fix the POS they've been foisting on middle America since 1975. If ever a national industry deserved the death penalty, there's one there.
I drive Toyotas too, and I'm not surprised Michigan's (a.k.a. Congress') reaction is to deny it rather than maybe fix the POS they've been foisting on middle America since 1975. If ever a national industry deserved the death penalty, there's one there.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
But, but, what about all of those autoworker jobs that were "saved"?
Meanwhile, the UAW and the government wards seem to be drifting into their old, pre-bankruptcy habits of bickering over money, costs, etc.
But, but, what about all of those autoworker jobs that were "saved"?
Meanwhile, the UAW and the government wards seem to be drifting into their old, pre-bankruptcy habits of bickering over money, costs, etc.Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Bear in mind this is just one of about a dozen huge recalls Toyota has issued recently. The gas pedal explanation doesn't exonerate the ten-year disregard for quality up and down the product lines... although it was the most headline-friendly of them all and carried the best shock value.
Bear in mind this is just one of about a dozen huge recalls Toyota has issued recently. The gas pedal explanation doesn't exonerate the ten-year disregard for quality up and down the product lines... although it was the most headline-friendly of them all and carried the best shock value.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Toyota, by its own admission, wanted to grab market-share at the expense of the US breeds. In doing so, it slipped where it mattered most: its brand for quality and reliability. Toyota probably won't make the same mistake twice. And given the fact they've recently devoted 1000 more engineers to quality control functions, I expect them to light up the competition even more in the near future.
Toyota, by its own admission, wanted to grab market-share at the expense of the US breeds. In doing so, it slipped where it mattered most: its brand for quality and reliability. Toyota probably won't make the same mistake twice. And given the fact they've recently devoted 1000 more engineers to quality control functions, I expect them to light up the competition even more in the near future.
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
Whatever corporate sins Toyota may have committed over the years, they didn't deserve this. It's not like this type of accident doesn't happen with some regularity to brands NOT Toyota. How many times in our lives have we heard/read/seen stories about some geezer who plowed into a group of pedestrians when she "lost control of her car?" And what do you suppose that phrase denotes?
This is a perfect storm of sensationalist networks (remember NBC putting explosives in the gas tanks of GMC trucks to support their argument that the tanks were dangerous?), "safety advocates" and the plaintiffs' bar.Many of the so-called "safety advocates" have been hired by plaintiffs' lawyers to provide useful trial testimony, thus they aren't exactly neutral.
The minor problems with gas pedals that got impinged by floor mats or the problems with accelerators that didn't decelerate when the driver's foot was taken off the pedal were not responsible for these accidents. These accidents were caused by runaway acceleration, not lack of deceleration. And the cause of runaway acceleration is operator error. Besides, as this story unfolded we learned that when the brakes are applied, that overrides the accelerator.
Plus, a larger issue is the apparant need for many Americans to be worried about. . .something. Frequently paying insufficient attention to real problems. Adulterated Halloween candy (the only child who ever died of adultered Halloween candy was actually murdered by his father in Houston), fire works, hypodermic needles in cans of Pepsi, alar and on and on and on.
There wasn't a single verified case of somebody adulterating Halloween candy except for that dude in Houston, and guess what Texas did to HIM. Even so, for several years the networks and their retarded cousins in local TV news reported endlessly on this "problem." As a result, trick or treating (one of the great childhood traditions) was demonized, outlawed and limited by scared parents. Of course, these parents who thought they were doing something to protect their kids, let them ride to school on buses not equipped with seat belts and to continue riding their bicycles.
This country tied itself into knots in the 80's with several show trials of alleged "ritual child abuse" in day care centers. Lives were ruined and people thrown in prison, yet no abuse occurred in these cases, ever. Millions of Americans believed (and some of them doubtless still believe) that at places of business open to the public nests of pedophiles sexually abused dozens of children, every day, for months or years and nobody noticed. Peggy McMartin Buckey who was initially charged with multiple accounts of child sexual abuse in the McMartin case was 70 and confined to a wheel chair for cripes sake!
You don't even have to watch your local TV news, just listen to the teases they put out there before ten o'lock rolls around. And if you can put the words "teacher" and "sexual contact with a student" in one of those teases, then you've got local TV news gold. Remember, when the media report on some phenomenon, the one thing you can always count on is more of that phenomenon. Some people just want to get into the game, and getting their stupid faces on the T and V is reward enough.
In the early 90's there was a report of somebody somewhere allegedly finding a syringe in a can of Pepsi. Almost overnight reports began to come in from all across the country from "victims" of the same problem. These people were, without exception, liars, scammers and retards. But thanks to our sensationalist media we gave them the incentive they needed to get their 15 seconds of fame. My favorite video from that period showed a fat lady in spandex pants pulling a syringe out from her waistband and sticking it in a can of Pepsi as she was standing in line at customer service. A scammer and an idiot, too lazy or stupid to do the deed in the parking lot.
Local and network TV news (but especially the former) has devolved into a cesspool of sensationalism and tabloidism. That's why the networks led their broadcasts for what seemed forever about these alleged problems with Toyotas. Of course their reporting focused almost entirely on the "problems," lacking context and perspective. Because having some stuffy scientist talking about how unlikely it was that these "problems" were anything other than operator error just isn't as entertaining as hair raising stories by "victims," threats of lawsuits by bottom feeding plaintiffs' lawyers and lectures on the evils of big business by bought and paid for safety "advocates."
We need to grow up a little and stop being so credulous.
Whatever corporate sins Toyota may have committed over the years, they didn't deserve this. It's not like this type of accident doesn't happen with some regularity to brands NOT Toyota. How many times in our lives have we heard/read/seen stories about some geezer who plowed into a group of pedestrians when she "lost control of her car?" And what do you suppose that phrase denotes?
This is a perfect storm of sensationalist networks (remember NBC putting explosives in the gas tanks of GMC trucks to support their argument that the tanks were dangerous?), "safety advocates" and the plaintiffs' bar.Many of the so-called "safety advocates" have been hired by plaintiffs' lawyers to provide useful trial testimony, thus they aren't exactly neutral.
The minor problems with gas pedals that got impinged by floor mats or the problems with accelerators that didn't decelerate when the driver's foot was taken off the pedal were not responsible for these accidents. These accidents were caused by runaway acceleration, not lack of deceleration. And the cause of runaway acceleration is operator error. Besides, as this story unfolded we learned that when the brakes are applied, that overrides the accelerator.
Plus, a larger issue is the apparant need for many Americans to be worried about. . .something. Frequently paying insufficient attention to real problems. Adulterated Halloween candy (the only child who ever died of adultered Halloween candy was actually murdered by his father in Houston), fire works, hypodermic needles in cans of Pepsi, alar and on and on and on.
There wasn't a single verified case of somebody adulterating Halloween candy except for that dude in Houston, and guess what Texas did to HIM. Even so, for several years the networks and their retarded cousins in local TV news reported endlessly on this "problem." As a result, trick or treating (one of the great childhood traditions) was demonized, outlawed and limited by scared parents. Of course, these parents who thought they were doing something to protect their kids, let them ride to school on buses not equipped with seat belts and to continue riding their bicycles.
This country tied itself into knots in the 80's with several show trials of alleged "ritual child abuse" in day care centers. Lives were ruined and people thrown in prison, yet no abuse occurred in these cases, ever. Millions of Americans believed (and some of them doubtless still believe) that at places of business open to the public nests of pedophiles sexually abused dozens of children, every day, for months or years and nobody noticed. Peggy McMartin Buckey who was initially charged with multiple accounts of child sexual abuse in the McMartin case was 70 and confined to a wheel chair for cripes sake!
You don't even have to watch your local TV news, just listen to the teases they put out there before ten o'lock rolls around. And if you can put the words "teacher" and "sexual contact with a student" in one of those teases, then you've got local TV news gold. Remember, when the media report on some phenomenon, the one thing you can always count on is more of that phenomenon. Some people just want to get into the game, and getting their stupid faces on the T and V is reward enough.
In the early 90's there was a report of somebody somewhere allegedly finding a syringe in a can of Pepsi. Almost overnight reports began to come in from all across the country from "victims" of the same problem. These people were, without exception, liars, scammers and retards. But thanks to our sensationalist media we gave them the incentive they needed to get their 15 seconds of fame. My favorite video from that period showed a fat lady in spandex pants pulling a syringe out from her waistband and sticking it in a can of Pepsi as she was standing in line at customer service. A scammer and an idiot, too lazy or stupid to do the deed in the parking lot.
Local and network TV news (but especially the former) has devolved into a cesspool of sensationalism and tabloidism. That's why the networks led their broadcasts for what seemed forever about these alleged problems with Toyotas. Of course their reporting focused almost entirely on the "problems," lacking context and perspective. Because having some stuffy scientist talking about how unlikely it was that these "problems" were anything other than operator error just isn't as entertaining as hair raising stories by "victims," threats of lawsuits by bottom feeding plaintiffs' lawyers and lectures on the evils of big business by bought and paid for safety "advocates."
We need to grow up a little and stop being so credulous.
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
I'm shocked the California Highway Patrol is buying Lexus E350's for their officers to drive. Does the fuel savings cost make up for the price tag?
I'm shocked the California Highway Patrol is buying Lexus E350's for their officers to drive. Does the fuel savings cost make up for the price tag?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Toyotas acceleration issues
FWIW, Consumer Reports has not as of yet removed their suspension of their recommendation for the Toyota models that were affected.
FWIW, Consumer Reports has not as of yet removed their suspension of their recommendation for the Toyota models that were affected.