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Tournament Speculation Thread

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Why the heck should one league get four or five bids. If you are fifth in your league, you can't be the best team in the nation. Period. In the old days there were 48 teams in the NCAAs, every league champion got in, and no league was allowed more than two bids - which became 3, and then infinite. Again, If you are not the best in your league you are not the national champ. The regular season has become devalued when teams can finish fifth or sixth in their league and still get a chance to play for the national title.

What if the 5th-place team in a particular league is better, by any reasonable standard, than the champion of another..?

It's not as though league-affiliation has anything to do with merit at this level. I'm sure that you wouldn't argue that a '11-'12 Plymouth State (for instance) could expect a bid coming out of nearly any other conference.
 
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What if the 5th-place team in a particular league is better, by any reasonable standard, than the champion of another..?

It's not as though league-affiliation has anything to do with merit at this level. I'm sure that you wouldn't argue that a '11-'12 Plymouth State (for instance) could expect a bid coming out of nearly any other conference.
See the 08-09 ECAC-E or the SUNYAC when Fredonia won the AQ. Thit happens.
 
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Yes, the conferences can decide their AQs based on their favorite uniform if they like... And that is an argument in favor of what, exactly?

Apparently, you regard the RS in all sports as irrelevant... Interesting, in an illogical sort of way.

I'll float a concept here: body of work x sample-size > one hot weekend at the end of the season. Going on that, the tournaments are clearly the "joke".

I'm all in favor of the AQ. How the AQ is decided, I did not make a single opinion on.

However, since I'm advocating the conference playoffs are essentially the start of the NCAA playoffs doing away with the at-large bids, you are assuming I'm advocating the playoff champion over the RS champion.

Not quite. If the current system exists, then I don't care how the AQ is determined. Playoff champion or RS champion, it's not that big of a deal to me. I probably would lean towards the RS champion.

If my system is implemented -- have the conference playoffs be the start of the NCAA playoffs with no at-large bids, then it doesn't really matter because you are playing down throughout the whole process, so it becomes a matter of win or your out.

I hope that was clear.
 
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You just rendered your own comments meaningless. If you've read all the above posts, you'd realize that this thread is about is all about the process.

No, this thread is all about people b*tching, of which you are the champion. Congralutions, give yourself an AQ.
 
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Can someone tell me if the NCAA allows for the teams to travel to Lake Placid early and pick up the travel expenses.
 
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Can someone tell me if the NCAA allows for the teams to travel to Lake Placid early and pick up the travel expenses.


They are limited to a travel party of 26 of which the max team size is 18. The get a per diem of $85.

Also of note:

TRANSPORTATION POLICIES

1.

Teams located within 500 ground miles of the competition site are required to travel via
ground transportation. Mileage is calculated using the NCAA’s reimbursement system.
That system can be accessed by members through the NCAA’s Web site. This is the same
page where all travel policies and quick reference guides are located. On that page, click
the link for the Travel Expense System. On that page, click Mileage Calculator.

2.

If an institution is eligible to use air transportation to the site of the championship, and there
is a major airport located within 150 miles of the championship site, then the participating
institution is required to fly into/out of that airport and utilize ground transport to and from
the site of competition. This also applies if the originating airport is located within 150
miles of the participating institution’s campus. This policy only applies when airfare is less
expensive from the more distant airport. In addition, the NCAA travel staff will have dis-
cretion to increase the hub rule mileage if necessary and reasonable.

If an institution is eligible to use air transportation, they may choose to drive to the site of
competition due to difficulties in arranging air travel. Should this occur, the institution will
be reimbursed the lesser of what airfare would have cost, or the eligible ground transporta-
tion. For team sports, eligible ground transportation is the actual costs for the allowable
number of buses (see Appendix for allowable buses by sport). For individual-team sports,
eligible ground transportation is mileage per person.

3.

For team sports, when institutions are required to travel by ground transportation to the
site of competition, the NCAA has created a ground transportation program, managed by

Division III Travel Policies
Page No. 4
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GO Ground options. Institutions are required to use GO Ground for all ground transporta-
tion reimbursable by the NCAA.

The NCAA will pay for charter bus services directly. Institutions will not have to seek
reimbursement for the ground transportation costs that are reimbursable under NCAA travel
policy. For the charter bus costs that are not covered by the NCAA travel policy, an institu-
tion will have the option, at its own expense, to use the charter bus services contracted by
GO Ground. Institutions will be required to pay for those services at the time the reserva-
tions are made with GO Ground.

Under NCAA travel policies, the following is reimbursable:

Teams that are required to drive to the site of competition (and the site is more than 25
miles from campus):
The NCAA will reimburse the actual costs of the bus for the round trip from campus
to the site of competition, including all days at the site.

Teams that fly to the site of competition:
If campus is 25 miles or more from the departure airport, the NCAA will pay the cost
of the airport transfers, both on departure and on return.

If the arrival airport is 25 miles or more from the site of competition, the NCAA will
pay the cost of the bus for the day the team arrives and the day the team departs. Any
days in between are considered local transportation and are at the expense of the insti-
tution.

If any leg of the trip is less than 25 miles one way, the institution will be paid 50 cents per
mile, per person. This mileage payment will be made through the online expense system
when the expense report is filed after the completion of the championship.

Institutions can contact GO Ground at 866/386-4951. Their online ground transportation
portal can be accessed at www.gochampionships.com. The username and password is the
same as that used for the Short’s Travel portal.

...

PER DIEM POLICIES

1.

Per diem rates, as approved by the Division III Championships Committee for each Divi-
sion III championship, can be found in the Appendix.

2.

For team sports, per diem will be paid as described here, for all members of the official tra-
vel party. Official travel party numbers, as well as any exceptions, will be noted in the Ap-
pendix.
a. One day for the day prior to the competition, if travel occurred on or before that day.
b. One day for each day a team competes.
c. One day for each day between competition. (Please note this only applies when mul-
tiple rounds are held at the same site, i.e. first and second rounds played on Friday and
Sunday, Saturday is the day between and would be paid.)
d. One-half day for the day after competition, if travel occurred on that day.


3.

For individual sports, per diem will be provided for all qualifying student-athletes and the
allowable number of non-athletes. The Appendix includes the formula for determining the
allowable number of non-athletes by sport as well as the number of per diem days paid.

4.

If either a host institution’s on-campus dining or residence facilities are open and available
to student-athletes, the host institution shall receive one-half day per diem for each day the
institution competes. If the host institution’s campus dining and residence facilities are both
closed, the institution shall receive the full per-diem allowance for each day the institution
competes and each day between competitions.

This policy shall also apply to competing institutions located in the same metropolitan area
as the championship site (i.e., those located within 25 miles of the site). In addition, host
institutions or institutions within 25 miles of the site are not eligible for ground transporta-
tion reimbursement.
 
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They are limited to a travel party of 26 of which the max team size is 18. The get a per diem of $85.

Also of note:

Norm does this mean the team must pick up the tab for the other players. I can not see a college keeping a roster player at home because the NCAA will not pick up the bill.
 
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Norm does this mean the team must pick up the tab for the other players. I can not see a college keeping a roster player at home because the NCAA will not pick up the bill.

I was wondering the same thing. After all, if you have injuries in the semifinal game, you're going to need to swap out players for the final. But, apparently this is the case. This could be why two years ago, Oswego had three guys to a room.
 
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They are limited to a travel party of 26 of which the max team size is 18. The get a per diem of $85.

Also of note:

I am not convinced the max size of 18 is correct, when the NCAA allowable normal team size is 21. But I also don't have the inclination to bother looking it up.


I was wondering the same thing. After all, if you have injuries in the semifinal game, you're going to need to swap out players for the final. But, apparently this is the case. This could be why two years ago, Oswego had three guys to a room.

In all the semis and finals I've been to, you can easily sport non-dressed players in the stands.
 
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In all the semis and finals I've been to, you can easily sport non-dressed players in the stands.

And standing by one of the doors at the end of the final, getting ready to pour onto the ice to celebrate with their teammates.

(P.S. Jerry, email me at my USCHO address.)
 
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And standing by one of the doors at the end of the final, getting ready to pour onto the ice to celebrate with their teammates.

(P.S. Jerry, email me at my USCHO address.)

did, done. Will be out of touch for a couple hours, but back on later.
 
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I think the party size is now up to 27, per some recent D-III changes, but what the heck do I know?

NORM???
 
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I'm all in favor of the AQ. How the AQ is decided, I did not make a single opinion on.

However, since I'm advocating the conference playoffs are essentially the start of the NCAA playoffs doing away with the at-large bids, you are assuming I'm advocating the playoff champion over the RS champion.

Not quite. If the current system exists, then I don't care how the AQ is determined. Playoff champion or RS champion, it's not that big of a deal to me. I probably would lean towards the RS champion.

If my system is implemented -- have the conference playoffs be the start of the NCAA playoffs with no at-large bids, then it doesn't really matter because you are playing down throughout the whole process, so it becomes a matter of win or your out.

I hope that was clear.

Not exactly...

After reading your post several times, what I seemed to glean was this: you propose that every conference - regardless of its size - sends their tournament champion to the NCAAs, and that only those teams would comprise the field?

(Sincere question here; there is no sarcasm involved.)
 
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I am not convinced the max size of 18 is correct, when the NCAA allowable normal team size is 21. But I also don't have the inclination to bother looking it up...

I must have had the wrong sport, for Ice Hockey:

Travel Party

Transportation expenses and per diem will be provided for an official travel party of 37. The NCAA is not responsible for the expenses of persons beyond these limits.

Participating teams are limited to 18 skaters plus not more than three nor less than two goalies on the bench for competition. Participating teams are limited to a squad size of 24 eligible student-athletes. Replacements are permitted up to the starting time of the game; but after the game begins, no replacements shall be permitted for any reason.

See also this - DIII committee offers alternate to bench proposal.
 
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Not exactly...

After reading your post several times, what I seemed to glean was this: you propose that every conference - regardless of its size - sends their tournament champion to the NCAAs, and that only those teams would comprise the field?

(Sincere question here; there is no sarcasm involved.)

Yes.

But if the conference wanted to forgo a tournament and just send their RS champion, I'm okay with that. Either way, I'm saying get rid of the at-large bids. You can't win your conference (however that is determined) you can't win a national title, even if your conference is way the heck better than some other conference who will send their champion.
 
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