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Three D3 programs picked to move to D1 !?

elbojpb

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Not sure who Advancement Hockey Advising is .... but they're recommending 3 DIII programs make the jump to D1. Video HERE. Doesn't appears as though they're aware of the issues with moving up a single sport to a different division.
 
Watched this a while ago, and it popped up in the RPI thread in the DI section a few days ago.

No idea who this person is, but certainly wouldn't trust this as an indication it will happen. The barriers for DIII schools to play up to DI are significant, as no new teams would be grandfathered into the arrangement for scholarships that RPI, Clarkson, St Lawrence, etc., have. His comments about Hobart having a good rink that would just need some minor renovations make me wonder if he's ever seen the Geneva Rec Complex let alone been to a game there. I won't be holding my breath.

Has anyone ever heard of Advancement Hockey Advising? Do they have any track record of success?
 
Basically just picked the top-3 programs currently for D3. Only team that has the arena for it would be Utica, but yeah that's a major transition to D1 for a school their size. Would be cool to see some of the more major/successful ACHA schools down south try to start up D1 programs long term.
 
Doesn't seem like they know how movement of divisions happens in the NCAA. If a school which is D3 in everything wants to move hockey up to D1, they have to do that for their entire athletics department, which is something that this guy does not understand.
 
I have heard of AHA B4. They're expertise is more helping youth players finding the right junior and college team/league. That video is for sure not well researched but it's possible Hobart is grandfathered under the old rules due to the lacrosse team? I think if any team is gonna move to d1 it would be geneseo. Ignoring how the whole SUNY system is structured they've won 8 out of the last 9 awards for top overall SUNYAC athletic program so all other teams transition to d2 wouldn't be too bad, and the arena only needs a light-maybe moderate renovation to add some seats they certainly don't need to build a brand new facility.
 
I have heard of AHA B4. They're expertise is more helping youth players finding the right junior and college team/league. That video is for sure not well researched but it's possible Hobart is grandfathered under the old rules due to the lacrosse team? I think if any team is gonna move to d1 it would be geneseo. Ignoring how the whole SUNY system is structured they've won 8 out of the last 9 awards for top overall SUNYAC athletic program so all other teams transition to d2 wouldn't be too bad, and the arena only needs a light-maybe moderate renovation to add some seats they certainly don't need to build a brand new facility.

I don't think lacrosse being D1 would do anything to help men's hockey move to D1.

The only D1 moves since the new rules that I recall have been with schools moving another gender up to D1 if a different gender was already at D1.

IE: RIT women's hockey coming up after 2012 season.
 
I believe there are two rules at play here - the 2004 proposal 65-1 that grandfathered in DIII schools already playing at DI in a sport to continue to provide athletic scholarships and the 2022 proposal that extended the ability to do so to other DIII schools playing in DI in a sport.

The 2004 rule meant that in hockey RPI, St Lawrence, Clarkson and Colorado College could continue to give scholarships, since they were DI at the time of the DI/DIII classification. They can have a men's and women's DI sport to provide Title IX compliance, but it doesn't have to be the same sport (for example, Colorado College has DI men's hockey and DI women's soccer).

The 2022 rule meant that DIII schools playing up could give DI scholarships. In hockey, RIT and Union could now give scholarships, while in lacrosse Hobart could now give scholarships. While a school can have a men's and women's team playing up and giving scholarships, I'm unclear on whether it can have two playing up, and two playing up AND both giving scholarships.

With all that in mind, even if it was allowed, I'd be really stunned to see Hobart, which is now handing out its first lacrosse athletic scholarships, go all-in and presumably bring a women's sport up to be Title IX compliant and then bring hockey up.
 
I have heard of AHA B4. They're expertise is more helping youth players finding the right junior and college team/league. That video is for sure not well researched but it's possible Hobart is grandfathered under the old rules due to the lacrosse team? I think if any team is gonna move to d1 it would be geneseo. Ignoring how the whole SUNY system is structured they've won 8 out of the last 9 awards for top overall SUNYAC athletic program so all other teams transition to d2 wouldn't be too bad, and the arena only needs a light-maybe moderate renovation to add some seats they certainly don't need to build a brand new facility.

There was talk of Binghamton looking at DI hockey, but the latest update from their Athletic Director this past summer effectively said "don't hold your breath". They'd be the most natural target given they are DI already, but there's not a good rink solution for them.

Given the SUNY schools are either DI (the four universities) or DIII (the colleges), hard to see Geneseo moving to be the odd-man-out at DII. Especially after leaving the SUNYAC to join the Empire 8 so recently.
 
Not sure who Advancement Hockey Advising is .... but they're recommending 3 DIII programs make the jump to D1. Video HERE. Doesn't appears as though they're aware of the issues with moving up a single sport to a different division.
Just saw this post . I think it's crazy to put Hobart in the D1 discussion, as we have experience with our D! lacrosse program and know what it takes to move up to the next level. Coach Taylor has done an amazing job , but frankly ,as we experienced with our lacrosse program , it is awesome for a small school to challenge for Championships every year instead of competing at a D1 level where the financial commitment for major improvements to the rink would be a burden unless , like ASU , we get a 25MM + gift to make this possible. Our lacrosse team won 12 National Championships in a row before we went D1, I'd rather have 12 D3 National Championships,
 
Clickbait video did its job since we're talking about it...

and I thought Carla at WCHR saying that 30-game-losing-streak Northland WIH was "building momentum" while lamenting the school's closure was the dumbest thing I'd read from a player advisor group today...
 
No idea who this person is, but certainly wouldn't trust this as an indication it will happen. The barriers for DIII schools to play up to DI are significant, as no new teams would be grandfathered into the arrangement for scholarships that RPI, Clarkson, St Lawrence, etc., have. His comments about Hobart having a good rink that would just need some minor renovations make me wonder if he's ever seen the Geneva Rec Complex let alone been to a game there.

Well there's that...

Honestly, I've been to many barns, and I've never seen a lousier venue than The Cooler, even when including the HS arenas.

It's a god-awful place to attempt to watch a game, case closed. Hobart deserves better.
 
Hobart just got a $ 70MM gift from ex-board chair Tom Melly's estate, but a new rink and a move to D1 Hockey was not part of the gift. I know there is interest to take a portion of the current 400MM Campaign to make a major renovation to THE COOLER , but then we don't want to make the visitor's too comfortable
 
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