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There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

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Not sure that this will make it as a thread, but I'll contribute.

UK has been on a potential course to leave or at least downgrade the EU. While UK may feel ready to leave the EU...I'm not sure England would feel comfortable going out on its own. London is a powerhouse...but the concept of England on its own is a bit daunting.
 
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Interesting article. Seems like quite a dance Cameron will be making in the coming years regarding the EU and Scotland. The simplest result is staying in the EU and then Scotland is more satisfied to stay in the UK. Leave the EU and lots of things get interesting.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Interesting article. Seems like quite a dance Cameron will be making in the coming years regarding the EU and Scotland. The simplest result is staying in the EU and then Scotland is more satisfied to stay in the UK. Leave the EU and lots of things get interesting.
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There's a huge financial commitment to staying in the EU. As one of their most stable countries, both politically and economically, they'd continue to have to bail out countries like Greece and Italy, saving them from themselves. The Brits will need to weigh the tax cost of staying in the union vs. the added transaction costs of leaving it. I'm sure many someones out there have a whole host of analyses done on that very subject, all with widely differring outcomes. And none of it will mean a thing if he can't sell his decision politically.
 
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I think Cameron needs to make good on his promise to hold an EU referendum. I also think once you do that you lose control of the situation. If the voters want out I don't think he's going to be able to use that to wring more concessions out of the EU. They're going to say "get lost" and the British public is going to see screw you to Brussels. An interesting situation to say the least.
 
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Rover said:
I think Cameron needs to make good on his promise to hold an EU referendum. I also think once you do that you lose control of the situation. If the voters want out I don't think he's going to be able to use that to wring more concessions out of the EU. They're going to say "get lost" and the British public is going to see screw you to Brussels. An interesting situation to say the least.
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I think Cameron gets the EU to give up something symbolic in exchange for something under the table. The you'll have the Tories, Labour, the Lib-Dems, SNP, and Greens all pushing for staying in against only UKIP, who can be depended on to say or do something utterly disgusting.

(Unless the SNP tries to double cross to give them an excuse for another exit vote.)
 
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Kepler said:
It's a generational reboot. Same slogans. Favorite color white, etc. UKIP is less overtly racist, but they're after the same creeps -- a little like the Tea Party's dog whistles to hard core Klan types.

Here's how one set of right wing racists criticizes the other set of right wing racists.
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Damian Thompson over at the Spectator has an analysis of the last election. Regarding the UKIP he has them divided into Red UKIP and Blue UKIP. Here's the post:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/damian-thompson/2015/05/why-ukip-will-descend-into-sectarian-chaos/
 
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Pat's version of American tribalism is in everything he writes. You're a real American if you got here right up through the Irish. After that, you're not legitimate and he'll deport you for your own cultural good.

<img src=http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.13702558.5792/flat,550x550,075,f.u3.jpg></img>
 
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Kepler said:
Pat's version of American tribalism is in everything he writes. You're a real American if you got here right up through the Irish. After that, you're not legitimate and he'll deport you for your own cultural good.

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I thought he didn't want the Irish??

https://youtu.be/ZD0BcQTIr4c
 
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I don't know anything about UK pols, but if it's against the Irish, f 'em.
 
Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

More on the love that Labour lost
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/what-labour-must-do-is-estrange-its-awful-voters/

Interesting quote
A clear understanding that there is a deserving poor and an undeserving poor is crucial; people who do the right thing, but are nonetheless impoverished, and watch others who do not do the right thing thrive on benefits, dislike Labour’s lazy and ignorant amalgamation of the two groups.*
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How's Labour gonna fuck this up?

Srsly, Boris and the Tories are almost as incompetent as Dump and the GOP. How on earth can Labour not only not be in the majority but nowhere even remotely close? The Dems learned lessons and got competent in the 2000s and 2010s. Why didn't Labour? Is it that their form of Clinton Third Way poison (Blair) wasn't eradicated?
 
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