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The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

FreshFish said:
That will be interesting, because it did seem at times that certain schools either were able to concentrate talent or to have a pipeline to talent that others lacked...it seems to me that it might be harder for a team these days both to win the championship and also to lose only two games over the course of a season...though given your formula, since teams now have more opportunity for out-of-conference play than they used to, and there are more tournament teams than before, they also can accumulate more wins over tournament teams during a season than teams from an earlier era, and perhaps that element of your formula helps 'modern' teams more on a relative basis, balancing out these other considerations.....
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Exactly. Some portions of the formula help modern teams and some portions help older teams. Today, it's very rare that a team finishes over .800 on a season. BU and Notre Dame were the last two teams to do so, in 2008-2009, and it has only happened a handful of times in the past decade.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Exactly. Some portions of the formula help modern teams and some portions help older teams.
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Just curious, if as part of its overall record, a team also had a really good record one year against 'traditional powers' who in that particular year did not make the tournament, does that matter?
 
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#21 appears to be up. UND 2010-11 at 20-2-1?? Something just doesn't add up with this one...:D
 
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BTW, here are the most recent point values...

#21 - 10-11 Sioux - 192.042
#22 - 55-56 Michigan - 191.746
 
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Safe to say that the 84-85 Bulldogs (36-9-3, RS, LT, and NCAA 3rd place) might be the only UMD team on this list? The 2010-11 (26-10-6) version won the only trophy that matters, but finished fourth in league play and didn't make it past the WCHA PIG.
 
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Ferris State hockey 6-0. Swept the Miami Redhawks this weekend? Highlights:

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Here are a few of our competitive highlights in the past decade as a member of the CCHA:

10-0 at home before losing in January to Miami 09-10
21-13-6 in 09-10
Swept Ohio State
Swept #1 Miami
Swept Notre Dame
Beat Michigan
Beat Michigan State
Swept UNO in CCHA semi-finals

10-11-1 game away (over time) from making back-to-back appearances to the CCHA Championships at Joe Louis Arena
Beat Ohio State twice
Beat Michigan
Swept Miami
Beat Michigan State 3 times



• 6 All-Americans
• 1 CCHA Player of the Year Award
• 1 CCHA Coach of the Year Award
• One of only six schools to have won either a regular season or tournament championship.
• Part of the second-largest tournament championship game attendance in history (19,097 in 2003).
• Ranked 2nd in total number of wins (excluding departed Big 10 schools and Miami).
• Ranked 3rd in total number CCHA wins (excluding departed Big 10 schools and Miami).
• Made 29 national television appearances since 2006.


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UMDbulldogs#1 said:
Safe to say that the 84-85 Bulldogs (36-9-3, RS, LT, and NCAA 3rd place) might be the only UMD team on this list? The 2010-11 (26-10-6) version won the only trophy that matters, but finished fourth in league play and didn't make it past the WCHA PIG.
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The 2010-2011 Bulldogs ranked 125th on my list.

As for Ferris State, we'll wait until after the end of the season to see where they land. If they go undefeated though, a good chance that the list will need to be updated. :p:D:D
 
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A little late to the party here, but awesome job as always, FS23. Looking forward to the rest of the list.
 
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UMDbulldogs#1 said:
As they probably should be because of the lack of regular season and WCHA playoff success. Regardless, I wouldn't trade 20 MacNaughton Cups for that National Title. :D
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I don't blame you. I would gladly trade our MacNaughton and Broadmoor from last year for your title. :)

I've submitted everything for #20, but it sounded like it wouldn't be up online for a few days.
 
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FS23, did the 1988-89 Harvard team make your top 25?

31-3-0 (0.912) overall
20-2-0 (0.909) in conference
8-0-0 record vs NCAA Tournament teams
ECAC Regular Season champions
ECAC Tournament 3rd place
National Champions
Hobey Baker Award winner
Additional Hobey Baker Award finalist
2 All-Americans (1 1st-team, 1 2nd-team)

Sounds like a pretty impressive resume to me.
 
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burgie12 said:
FS23, did the 1988-89 Harvard team make your top 25?

31-3-0 (0.912) overall
20-2-0 (0.909) in conference
8-0-0 record vs NCAA Tournament teams
ECAC Regular Season champions
ECAC Tournament 3rd place
National Champions
Hobey Baker Award winner
Additional Hobey Baker Award finalist
2 All-Americans (1 1st-team, 1 2nd-team)

Sounds like a pretty impressive resume to me.
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While an impressive team, they finished just outside the top 25, at #30. Had they won their conference tournament they would have been in the top 20. When the entire list is published, I'll post the top 50 or so here with point values.
 
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Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

no matter how you calculate things, I think its rather silly to consider any team that didn't win the national championship one of the top 25 teams all time.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
no matter how you calculate things, I think its rather silly to consider any team that didn't win the national championship one of the top 25 teams all time.
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I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
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very true. I count the 1992, 1993 UW teams as amongst the most talented they EVER had but they couldn't play together as a team in the end and it did em in. Also the Michigan team that went down to BU at the Bradley Center around 97(?) I think? They had Morrison and Botterill, just an amazingly talented team and somehow lost when all year the hardware was there's for the taking
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
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I agree, most should be winners, but there are others that are also deserving. FS23 can control that by how much he counts the championship.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
29-0 is impressive, as is 35-1. ..... It's basically the Boise State problem that college football is facing. There are very good arguments either way.
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If I may borrow an analogy from US professional football, it seems to me more like the question as to which was the greatest ever Super Bowl team, the 1972 Dolphins or the 1985 Bears. People point to the Dolphins 17 - 0 record and say they "have to be" # 1 since they are the only post-merger team ever to post an undefeated season.

The 1985 Bears were probably the most dominant post-merger team ever *, and it took a miracle game by Dan Marino in Miami to beat the Bears that year. They were undefeated in their division and in their conference, and they completely obliterated their playoff opponents.

While I personally would choose the Bears, I cannot argue with those who chose the Dolphins, since we are giving different weight to the same criteria.

Since it's your formula, we'll see how you chose to weight these factors when the top five are announced.


* I myself would give the Bears bonus points for releasing The Super Bowl Shuffle rap video in the middle of the season and then following up the talk with the walk so to speak. It takes a certain combination of swagger, confidence, and ability to say you are going to win it all that early in the season, and then actually do it!
 
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