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The Stock Market thread: BUY! BUY! BUY! Sell, sell, sell...

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More overreacting about Europe!
Wait until some really, truly bad news comes out of Europe, which is really just a matter of when, not if, given how things area heading in the Old World. Things'll really get interesting.
 
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Wal-Mart with some bribes, and here come all the small business people on their high horses.
 
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Wal-Mart with some bribes, and here come all the small business people on their high horses.

Don't care, my individual stock portfolio currently contains only 3 retail stocks, Walmart isn't one of them, and I'm content with that.
 
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The only retail I have is American Eagle.

I have personally purchased Costco and Amazon, I have some Target stock that was a (multi-year) gift from my grandparents when I was growing up.
 
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I have personally purchased Costco and Amazon, I have some Target stock that was a (multi-year) gift from my grandparents when I was growing up.

Retail doesn't do hot enough for me. I've been sticking to other sectors, some spec plays, but also some solid things. Top five is CRT, SCCO, SB, AEO, and VZ.
 
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Retail doesn't do hot enough for me. I've been sticking to other sectors, some spec plays, but also some solid things. Top five is CRT, SCCO, SB, AEO, and VZ.

I agree that retail isn't going to have any super growth in the short term but I think that both Amazon and Costco have good long term growth potential with only modest downside. That said, given my age (30), I have a fairly conservative single stock portfolio even if my asset diversification ( S/B/C 85/5/10) is considered aggressive.
 
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I agree that retail isn't going to have any super growth in the short term but I think that both Amazon and Costco have good long term growth potential with only modest downside. That said, given my age (30), I have a fairly conservative single stock portfolio even if my asset diversification ( S/B/C 85/5/10) is considered aggressive.

If you don't mind me asking, what sort of other stocks do you have? I wouldn't think you'd put all your eggs into the retail basket...
 
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If you don't mind me asking, what sort of other stocks do you have? I wouldn't think you'd put all your eggs into the retail basket...

About 75% of everything is in 4 Vanguard funds: An SP500 Index, a Mid Cap Growth, Small Cap Growth, and Total World Fund.

I have about 8k-10k in cash for various short term savings and as an emergency fund

I have 3 "legacy" stock holding from my parents & grandparents: Target (it was Dayton's at the time), IBM (where my father worked) and 3M. This was originally to be used to fund college or buy a house. I could liquidate them but have not seen any real reason. I also have stack of savings bonds that were purchased throughout the 80's that had the same original intent.

As for individual stocks, I have 10 and I purchased in each purchased in one batch since 2005: Amazon, Costco, Coke, Chipotle, Caribou Coffee, Berkshire Hathaway B shares, Qualcomm, Hasbro, Procter & Gamble, and Halliburton.

I am looking at purchasing Markel in the near future (by Labor Day) but I need to do some more research first.
 
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Re: The Stock Market thread: BUY! BUY! BUY! Sell, sell, sell...

About 75% of everything is in 4 Vanguard funds: An SP500 Index, a Mid Cap Growth, Small Cap Growth, and Total World Fund.

I have about 8k-10k in cash for various short term savings and as an emergency fund

I have 3 "legacy" stock holding from my parents & grandparents: Target (it was Dayton's at the time), IBM (where my father worked) and 3M. This was originally to be used to fund college or buy a house. I could liquidate them but have not seen any real reason. I also have stack of savings bonds that were purchased throughout the 80's that had the same original intent.

As for individual stocks, I have 10 and I purchased in each purchased in one batch since 2005: Amazon, Costco, Coke, Chipotle, Caribou Coffee, Berkshire Hathaway B shares, Qualcomm, Hasbro, Procter & Gamble, and Halliburton.

I am looking at purchasing Markel in the near future (by Labor Day) but I need to do some more research first.

Don't want to look at a health care? There are some very good dividends there, and a lot of them are doing quite well. Eli Lilly (LLY) is one of my minor plays (had a pyramid setup but didn't hit any of my support levels), also used to hold AstraZeneca (AZN) and another one that did well but has since been bought up (can't remember the name). The bald guy on CNBC (who was the inspiration behind the thread title) likes Bristol-Myers (BMY) and Abbott Labs (ABT).
 
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Don't want to look at a health care? There are some very good dividends there, and a lot of them are doing quite well. Eli Lilly (LLY) is one of my minor plays (had a pyramid setup but didn't hit any of my support levels), also used to hold AstraZeneca (AZN) and another one that did well but has since been bought up (can't remember the name). The bald guy on CNBC (who was the inspiration behind the thread title) likes Bristol-Myers (BMY) and Abbott Labs (ABT).

It isn't that I don't want to invest in healthcare, I do think that it is one of the best growth areas, I just don't know enough about health care to confidently and intelligently invest in that sector right now. It's the same reason that I have stayed away from picking individual stock in the financial sector, I feel that I have enough exposure in my mutual funds that I'm not overly concerned that I'm going to miss out on a full sector rise.
 
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Just heard a piece on NPR yesterday where they were discussing investing, and only about 50% of people between 18-30 thought that investing in the market was a good idea. More popular answers? Real estate and savings accounts. Crazy kids.

Its not the same for kids as it is for you, or even myself. For one thing, they are mired in debt from college. Figures I have heard range from 40,000 all the way to 200,000 dollars in debt. The fact is that most kids are paycheck to paycheck and would have to get more credit to afford a slight emergency. The mere ability for a kid to get a savings account ( read something more liquid than a 401k, and less volatile than large caps) is impressive. My first goal was to get a 6 month emergency fund regardless of the rate. Being able to rest at night knowing that a few bumps in the road won't affect me go a long way.

As for real estate, also consider that kids grew up during the Kiyosaki era, and think that the boom/ easy credit are still possible. However, I am seeing most people putting nearly 0 down, and going for 30 year loans ; even than they are barely paycheck to paycheck. The reason people do R/E is that it still seems to them that they can flip their property and make money. The concept of investing ( not speculating) is foreign to them. Its easier to apply for a loan for something they can't afford, than to do due diligence of a company. From personal experience, I know only one or two of my friends who have opted for investing over buying into R/E.

To keep with the thread's topic, I'll throw in my two cents. I subscribe to Graham's value investing teachings, and attempt to dig into a companies financials a little before I buy. I won't pretend to forcast the future, but try and look at how well a company has done in the pats 5 or 10 years in regards to earnings ( and EPS), its return on invested capital, if it pays dividends, and how its financial situation is. Since I don't have much time, I simply look at what officers are buying/ selling to get agreement if the share is overpriced or under priced. If the later, I buy. A few I am long on are large caps including BP, Waters ( WAT), FOSL, AAPL ( its overpriced now), and XOM. I really don't own much stock in comparison to you guys though, but my portfolio has generated a decent return since last year.

I feel that rising oil prices might put a hold on any economic recovery, so I am waiting for price drops in a few big caps. This might be a few months out though.
 
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Its not the same for kids as it is for you, or even myself. For one thing, they are mired in debt from college. Figures I have heard range from 40,000 all the way to 200,000 dollars in debt. The fact is that most kids are paycheck to paycheck and would have to get more credit to afford a slight emergency. The mere ability for a kid to get a savings account ( read something more liquid than a 401k, and less volatile than large caps) is impressive. My first goal was to get a 6 month emergency fund regardless of the rate. Being able to rest at night knowing that a few bumps in the road won't affect me go a long way.

The last report from NPSAS from 2007-08 has 66.0% of undergraduates graduated with debt with an average of $27,803 (with about 18k of that being federal student loan debt). Given that from 2003-04 to 2007-08 the debt increased by over 5.5% per year, I'd be shocked if the average isn't well over $30k given the dramatic tuition increases that have occurred as of the result of state funding for state universities during the recession. Double that for total debt for a master's degree, triple it for a doctorate, and quadruple it for a professional degree. These are of course averages, about 10% had undergrad debt of over $40k back in 2007-08, sure that's much higher now.

Honestly, I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who borrowed $40k+ to finance a degree with an average starting salary of ~$24k/year, but at the same time I doubt that they ever had the complete after graduation implications of the borrowing so much clearly represented.

It isn't impossible to save, but as a nation we have effectively rejected the ideas of delayed gratification and saving for a rainy day. Saving for anything is a much lower priority than consuming now and credit is so ubiquitous that financing almost anything is both easy and normal.

As for real estate, also consider that kids grew up during the Kiyosaki era, and think that the boom/ easy credit are still possible. However, I am seeing most people putting nearly 0 down, and going for 30 year loans ; even than they are barely paycheck to paycheck. The reason people do R/E is that it still seems to them that they can flip their property and make money. The concept of investing ( not speculating) is foreign to them. Its easier to apply for a loan for something they can't afford, than to do due diligence of a company. From personal experience, I know only one or two of my friends who have opted for investing over buying into R/E.

To me, doing real estate INVESTING CORRECTLY is far more difficult than all but the most esoteric asset classes. I don't consider the home that you live in an investment, particularly if you carry a mortgage on the place.

To keep with the thread's topic, I'll throw in my two cents. I subscribe to Graham's value investing teachings, and attempt to dig into a companies financials a little before I buy. I won't pretend to forcast the future, but try and look at how well a company has done in the pats 5 or 10 years in regards to earnings ( and EPS), its return on invested capital, if it pays dividends, and how its financial situation is. Since I don't have much time, I simply look at what officers are buying/ selling to get agreement if the share is overpriced or under priced. If the later, I buy. A few I am long on are large caps including BP, Waters ( WAT), FOSL, AAPL ( its overpriced now), and XOM. I really don't own much stock in comparison to you guys though, but my portfolio has generated a decent return since last year.

While I like value investing, I question it's utility for long term stock purchases. Part of the reason I'm bullish on dividend stocks (in spite of their annoying tax implications) is that I worry that the sell off as the boomer liquidate there portfolios in retirement is going to seriously cut into the abilities of stock values to increase if the Millennial's are either unwilling or unable to compensate for their parents retirement selling. Graham's book, the Intelligent Investor, is one of the best books on investing that I have read.
 
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Well I look at dividends like this: a company can do one of two things with their earnings. They can reinvest it , or pay some of it to you so YOU can reinvest it. If they are getting 9% returns on their money, and i am getting 4%, than I would rather a company retain their earnings. However, if the numbers are drastically different, than I might want a higher dividend....but might not even invest in them if they can not retain ANY earnings on their cash.

Intelligent investor is a great book for people because it straightens up some common misconceptions about investing. For most folks, he does not think they should be investing in the sense of being a securities analysis. However, as outlined, there are plenty of good options that will provide satisfactory returns which (generally) outperform bonds, and inflation.

I have been trying to crack securities analysis, but find myself lost in some parts. Probably going to skip the fixed income part and read about balance sheet analysis and try to get something from that. The most beneficial thing about this text and I.I are the common pitfalls one might encounter when reading cashflow or balance sheets. being able to sift through the information and know what is good, and what is bogus aught to be helpful. Just look at John Paulson who was praised as a genius for his housing play, but lost half a billion on Sino China Forestry because he was unable to do good Due Dilligence...
 
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Just for a little credibility:

- YTD return 5.8% ( 4 months)
- ROI since inception 15.6% since august

I only got employed last year so I am still new in the market. I probably don't have as much capital as some older folks. Either way, I feel my choices are fairly obvious and the choice of buying last summer was advantageous when the markets were a bit tumultuous.
 
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I haven't been doing all that hot in the market, considering I started my personal investing in March of 2009 (when the market couldn't get any lower), I don't invest all that much (I maybe have $17,000 in a very diversified portfolio although a little heavy on the oil/gas right now), and I'm a bit impatient. However, I'm naturally a cheap guy, I don't buy name brand stuff (any more), don't go out on dates, so I have quite a bit of savings. Just recently paid off the rest of my student loans, not going for real estate at this time, so I'm looking forward to a decent future.
 
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Well I look at dividends like this: a company can do one of two things with their earnings. They can reinvest it , or pay some of it to you so YOU can reinvest it. If they are getting 9% returns on their money, and i am getting 4%, than I would rather a company retain their earnings. However, if the numbers are drastically different, than I might want a higher dividend....but might not even invest in them if they can not retain ANY earnings on their cash.

Honestly it depends where a company and to some extent it's overall sector are in it's life cycle. Mature companies in mature sectors will (hopefully) have more earnings than growth opportunities, at that point issuing a dividend is a good thing.

Companies in high growth fields are not going to be issuing a dividend, they need to retain all their cash to grow the business, at that point the organic growth of the business should drive up the company's valuation and thus the stock price. Once a business matures, it should (ideally) get to a point where it can't effectively use all of it's earnings to drive growth. Many of the more mature tech companies have gotten to this point in the last few years and it is why they have started to issue dividends.

I certainty don't do a complete traditional evaluation (which is part of the reason I avoid sectors that I'm not familiar with), and each individual holding is so limited that I'm not particularly concerned if I do choose poorly (even if any of the companies I hold went bankrupt, dating my ex would still be a worse financial mistake).
 
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I don't consider the home that you live in an investment, particularly if you carry a mortgage on the place.

At the risk of splitting hairs, why not?

Churchill famously cracked that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. Likewise, it seems to me, with mortgages. Never mind the zero-down, interest-only bubble nonsense. Just a regular old long-term fixed-rate mortgage with a solid down payment.

The alternatives to a mortgage are not mutual funds, futures contracts, bonds, or whatever. If we set aside Mom's basement and being born with a nice trust, the only alternative is renting. Considering that rent is often higher than a mortgage payment, and it's a monthly expense you're going to face, anyway (read: low, low opportunity cost), you could make an argument that a (well-planned) mortgage is one of the best investment decisions a young person can make.
 
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At the risk of splitting hairs, why not?

Churchill famously cracked that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. Likewise, it seems to me, with mortgages. Never mind the zero-down, interest-only bubble nonsense. Just a regular old long-term fixed-rate mortgage with a solid down payment.

The alternatives to a mortgage are not mutual funds, futures contracts, bonds, or whatever. If we set aside Mom's basement and being born with a nice trust, the only alternative is renting. Considering that rent is often higher than a mortgage payment, and it's a monthly expense you're going to face, anyway (read: low, low opportunity cost), you could make an argument that a (well-planned) mortgage is one of the best investment decisions a young person can make.

Because you have to have somewhere to live and even a paid off house requires constant expenditures (property taxes, insurance, and maintenance) while generating zero income. Add to that over the term of a 30 year mortgage you will be roughly paying twice the purchase price in payments (principle plus interest). Buying a home might is a smart financial move in many situations, but it isn't an investment.
 
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