What is your solution? I’m fine with letting kids play in whichever one they choose. I definitely don’t think there should be exams under any circumstance.
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What is your solution? I’m fine with letting kids play in whichever one they choose. I definitely don’t think there should be exams under any circumstance.
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Look at her dress. A little short. She's obviously a nasty slut whore.
It’s not an issue in the real world. NOBODY is transitioning their actual living body for the sake of sneaking into a different sportsball game where they will perform better in comparison. Stop for a second and think about how stupid that is.
And if someone did (which they won’t) it’s nobody else’s business. The outcome of a high school game has no ramifications in the real world. It doesn’t matter even a little bit who “wins” or “loses” the score of a teenagers’ contest. And again, it won’t happen. It’s a made-up issue.
Before we pass laws about HS trans sports participation, it’s more important that legislatures address what we do when the day comes that my UPS guy drives his entire route in reverse, because someone could be injured.
There's a reason that the very popular and moderate republican incumbent governor isn't running for reelection. He'd likely lose the primary to a stark, raving Trumpy lunatic.
Then why did you bring up birth certificates in the first place? Kids’ choice is the only logical, logistical, and legally sound method.
Regarding youth (or adult?) sports and trans athletes...
What are our goals here? Like, what's the problem we're trying to fix? To me, we need to do a few things:
What are our goals here? Like, what's the problem we're trying to fix? To me, we need to do a few things:
- Ensure trans athletes are treated fairly and can participate in the sport of their gender identity.
- Protect all female athletes - trans and cis alike - from unscrupulous males who might take advantage of a perceived weaker competition.
rufus
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How do you think she attracts the five year olds?
Because I’m completely against exams or any other overly complicated system. Kids choice is completely fine, but if it turns out not to work for whatever reason I think you have to go to birth certificates.
This is what I don't like about this debate.
First, I agree with you that no one is transitioning their body for the sake of participating in sports. Anyone who argues that is happening is doing so in attempt to villainize trans people.
On the other hand, that's not the argument that RB made in his post, and you are not the first person to sort of move the goalposts on this argument to deflect the question away from the very real issue of the differences in traditionally male and female bodies and athletic abilities.
And there is a real issue there, because for anyone who says there isn't, then I would counter that it's time to do away with the silliness of separate boys/mens and girls/womens sports at the high school, college and professional ranks. There is a very good reason why we separate those sports, and it has to do solely with size, strength, stamina, etc..., and the differences that exist between the traditionally male and female bodies. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that isn't debating this issue with any level of honesty.
Yes, I acknowledge there are differences within traditional genders with respect to size, stamina, strength, etc... That's why I'm not playing in the NBA, even though in my day I could shoot free throws like it was nobody's business. But I'll use a personal example. I'm a male, recreational golfer. I've been a single digit handicap for about 45 years, but I am still just a recreational golfer. But I've had the privilege of playing multiple rounds of golf with a woman who for maybe 20 years was one of the best female golfers in Minnesota, and competed nationally in all of the top amateur golf events. I've played from the same tees as her, and beaten her, and not just once. It would not be fair for me to participate in women's events.
Now, I will admit that I do not know enough (or maybe even anything) about the effect on the male body of the transitioning process, such as to what degree it changes the body, the time period for change, or anything else about it. To my way of thinking, a good scientific understanding of that, and use of that understanding in setting the parameters of participation, is what is necessary to decide how we address participation in sports.
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unofan
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No one on here is saying they're transitioning just for sports. But there are people who will transition from male to female who are also athletes. And they will have a built-in biological advantage.
And as much as everyone on here probably doesn't give a hoot about high school sports given the educational demographics of this Board, there are plenty of Al Bundies out there who do. And states and schools still track their HS sports records, so societally there is at least some modicum of importance placed on it. So while it's all fine and dandy to say participation should trump all other considerations at the high school level because it doesn't really matter, there's a large segment of the population that disagrees.
And the irony that it's almost entirely all old white men debating this issue on this board is not lost on me. Outside of MissT, we aren't exactly getting input on here from anyone who is going to be affected directly either way.
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They should just go all in and blame the Green New Deal for Uvalde too.
unofan
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You're missing the need to ensure equal athletic opportunities for cis females, too.
What? How would a guy’s transition “help” someone else? Are you suggesting he would undergo transition therapy and then compete under her identity? Pretty sure competing under an assumed identity is already against the rules….
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Is he talking about a relay race in track and field? Wtf
No, I mean a guy would ‘transition’ and then compete on whoever they were trying to help’s team to give them a better chance of winning.
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Men don’t care about womens sports and I would die laughing if a dude transitioned to help his girlfriends team win?
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Men’s and women’s are much, much closer in popularity at the high school level than professional level.
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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And? You think a guy will undergo actual transition to help his gf? Are you assuming he just changes his gender weekly depending on his mood?
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