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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

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Spartanforlife4 said:
Texas Dems are walking out of the special legislative session in order to prevent a quorum. It will be a little trickier than last time when they walked out during the final few hours of the regular session. This time around they’ll need to be out of the state for possibly weeks.
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Ted Cruz recommends Cancun
 
Eh they knew that was going to happen and we would be cheering if our side did that. They just need to wait it out the arrest will be a dog and pony show and likely help them more than hurt them. (Which they know they did the calculus)
 
Kepler said:
Speak for yourself. Denying a quorum is a legal procedural maneuver in a democracy. Arresting people for doing that is insane.
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The arrest in this case isn't to put them in jail, it's to drag them back to the Capitol to ensure a quorum is present. That is also standard in these cases (which is why they fled the state in the first place).

It's the legislative equivalent of a contempt of court: the person can get out immediately by complying, or in this case, being present in the Capitol.
 
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unofan said:
The arrest in this case isn't to put them in jail, it's to drag them back to the Capitol to ensure a quorum is present. That is also standard in these cases (which is why they fled the state in the first place).

It's the legislative equivalent of a contempt of court: the person can get out immediately by complying, or in this case, being present in the Capitol.
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Interdiction to force attendance is kidnapping.
 
Kepler said:
Interdiction to force attendance is kidnapping.
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No. They swore an oath to do their duty. The governor legally called a special session. They should be there. Full stop.

You really want to put the ability to halt US Senate business in the hands of 30 or 35 quorum-defying Republicans? We'd long for the good-old-days when it was just the filibuster.

Breaking quorum may be a "legal procedural maneuver" - but it's one that nevertheless has consequences.
 
LynahFan said:
No. They swore an oath to do their duty. The governor legally called a special session. They should be there. Full stop.

You really want to put the ability to halt US Senate business in the hands of 30 or 35 quorum-defying Republicans? We'd long for the good-old-days when it was just the filibuster.

Breaking quorum may be a "legal procedural maneuver" - but it's one that nevertheless has consequences.
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OK, OK, jeez. I give.
 
Kepler said:
Interdiction to force attendance is kidnapping.
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So you support the Oregon Republicans doing the same thing year after year after year?

Civil disobedience may be morally correct, but you do it with the understanding you accept the consequences.

These legislators left the state specifically to get beyond the reach of Texas law enforcement so they couldn't be dragged back to the Capitol. They know that may still happen to them when they come back.
 
unofan said:
So you support the Oregon Republicans doing the same thing year after year after year?
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I support non-violent civil disobedience. That doesn't mean I support the aims of whichever group, or even consider them honorable.

As you and Lynah point out, part of buying that ticket is taking the ride. Thoreau and King went to jail. That's the price.
 
Texas

Starting September 1st, the state of Texas is offering a $10,000 bounty to any private citizen willing to sue another person who, in some way, helped make an abortion possible. The potential list of targets for such lawsuits is endless: from a pregnant person’s doctor and nurses, a therapist or pastor who offered moral support, a partner who helped pay for the procedure, a friend (even an Uber driver) who drove the patient to the clinic. Under the new law — which a group of doctors, clergy and clinic owners sued to block Tuesday — any or all of them could be taken to court by a stranger with no connection to the patient whatsoever and forced to pay a minimum of $10,000 each, plus legal fees, for “aiding or abetting” an abortion.
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These fuckers can't keep their grid operable but they can pay people to narc about abortions.
 
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