The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

[French Rage]

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In an alt history you could have had a great life at the Disney Manassas theme park!

Oh you don't need to tell me that. We (well, my parents, as I was 11 at the time) were part of the group that fought the **** out of that.

 

[Rover]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeSantis grants this favor, which will save WWE millions, as Linda McMahon announces that her Super Pac is dropping $18.5 million dollars into Florida for Trump reelection. What a bunch of bottom feeders. <a href="https://t.co/HLPFEgXwZg">https://t.co/HLPFEgXwZg</a></p>— Dave Zirin (@EdgeofSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/1250093521014579200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hey, remember now from the Impeachment trail. Its not a crime if you openly admit you're doing it. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go burn down my neighbor's McMansion because its blocking my view. Take this post as proof of my public disclosure if the police have any issues with my actions.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is outrageous: instead of passing emergency vote by mail law, Kentucky GOP enacted new voter ID law when DMVs are closed & voters can’t get ID needed to vote & it will go into effect in same year Mitch McConnell up for re-election <a href="https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q">https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q</a></p>— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status/1250190820222947328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(1/ 3) Did you see this? All of the WI Supreme Court, who moved to hold in-person voting last Tuesday, voted absentee. <a href="https://t.co/Kfam5lDCyr">https://t.co/Kfam5lDCyr</a></p>— Judge Jill Karofsky (@judgekarofsky) <a href="https://twitter.com/judgekarofsky/status/1249804495112069121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[psych]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is outrageous: instead of passing emergency vote by mail law, Kentucky GOP enacted new voter ID law when DMVs are closed & voters can’t get ID needed to vote & it will go into effect in same year Mitch McConnell up for re-election <a href="https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q">https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q</a></p>— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status/1250190820222947328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Disgusting, but not surprising. Beshear was asked about the GOP’s override of his veto during his daily press conference last night, and he said he would have been open to discussing a new voter ID law next year, when the crisis had passed, but not now. He said he knows they know they had the numbers next year to pass this type of law and override his veto then, but decided to do it now anyways. I thought he deftly put the onus back on Republicans for their blatant power grab via voter suppression. That said, his words will mainly fall on deaf ears. However, our Sec of State has openly indicated a willingness to use expanded mail-in voting if the virus persists into election season. Time for the wait-and-see game.

 

[Rover]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is outrageous: instead of passing emergency vote by mail law, Kentucky GOP enacted new voter ID law when DMVs are closed & voters can’t get ID needed to vote & it will go into effect in same year Mitch McConnell up for re-election <a href="https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q">https://t.co/sXJ8Eny41Q</a></p>— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status/1250190820222947328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This will most likely be blocked by the courts for this reason. Even the SCOTUS is reluctant to allow late changes to the rules in the months preceding an election particularly if the DMV's are closed. IIRC Pennsylvania Goopers tried something similar in 2012 - make everyone get a state ID and then understaff the DMV in the inner city so that the wait times were so long people wouldn't get what they needed in time for the general election later that year. The courts correctly saw through that scheme.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This will most likely be blocked by the courts for this reason. Even the SCOTUS is reluctant to allow late changes to the rules in the months preceding an election particularly if the DMV's are closed. IIRC Pennsylvania Goopers tried something similar in 2012 - make everyone get a state ID and then understaff the DMV in the inner city so that the wait times were so long people wouldn't get what they needed in time for the general election later that year. The courts correctly saw through that scheme.

LOL.

Supreme Court after what they did in Wisconsin? I would not count on it.

 

[Rover]

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LOL.

Supreme Court after what they did in Wisconsin? I would not count on it.

Same reasoning Scoobs. You can't change the rules in the time leading up to the election.

Now admit it, you thought the GOP was going to take the WI Supreme Court seat, didn't you?

 

[Handyman]

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LOL.

Supreme Court after what they did in Wisconsin? I would not count on it.

That was a different scenario. The Court followed their own precedent (at least on the surface) because they ruled against a late game change to the rules.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Michigan really is a ****ing disaster:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The two lead articles at the Detroit Free Press are, uh, something. <a href="https://t.co/67GiyYWqQX">pic.twitter.com/67GiyYWqQX</a></p>— Nick Arvin (@NickArvin) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickArvin/status/1250491947598245888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From today’s stay-at-home protest in downtown Lansing. Looks like the “r” in “governor" is non-essential, too ... <a href="https://t.co/wurgOgY9lY">pic.twitter.com/wurgOgY9lY</a></p>— Mike Eidelbes (@INCH) <a href="https://twitter.com/INCH/status/1250485348842573831?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republicans are now blaming the restrictive & onerous voting universe they themselves created in Wisconsin for keeping their voters away. <a href="https://t.co/EMts7YjFw7">https://t.co/EMts7YjFw7</a><br><br>This is plausible, so let's remember it & use it as a lesson for November? <a href="https://t.co/MGERsNcCJQ">pic.twitter.com/MGERsNcCJQ</a></p>— Taniel (@Taniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1250481627148570624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**inhales**

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[JF_Gophers]

Michigan really is a ****ing disaster:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The two lead articles at the Detroit Free Press are, uh, something. <a href="https://t.co/67GiyYWqQX">pic.twitter.com/67GiyYWqQX</a></p>— Nick Arvin (@NickArvin) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickArvin/status/1250491947598245888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At least this will give MI a clean slate to start over once everyone is gone due to their own negligence.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

At least this will give MI a clean slate to start over once everyone is gone due to their own negligence.

It’s mostly been in the SE part of the state among three counties, but there was apparently a large contingent at the protest today that caravan’d from GR. This could spread it to the West Michigan and the rural areas.

 

[Kepler]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republicans are now blaming the restrictive & onerous voting universe they themselves created in Wisconsin for keeping their voters away. <a href="https://t.co/EMts7YjFw7">https://t.co/EMts7YjFw7</a><br><br>This is plausible, so let's remember it & use it as a lesson for November? <a href="https://t.co/MGERsNcCJQ">pic.twitter.com/MGERsNcCJQ</a></p>— Taniel (@Taniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1250481627148570624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**inhales**

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Petard, meet hoist. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[Kepler]

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At least this will give MI a clean slate to start over once everyone is gone due to their own negligence.

Assuming the right people are dying. "Right" used advisedly.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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It’s mostly been in the SE part of the state among three counties, but there was apparently a large contingent at the protest today that caravan’d from GR. This could spread it to the West Michigan and the rural areas.

So, this is an insane and almost certainly stupid legal question.

Say there wasn't any well-documented cases in western Michigan and then suddenly two weeks from now we have a wave of deaths. If someone were to trace their contacts and find out it was ConfederateFlagDUDE20 who gave it to him or her, could there be any kind of liability for FlagDUDE2020? They were out in defiance of a currently valid order to stay at home. Could you argue this was reckless and negligent?

I'm guessing that's on extraordinarily shaky and new legal grounds. And you'd have to somehow prove it was FlagDUDE20 who gave it to you I assume? An almost impossible task.

Either way, just curious.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Petard, meet hoist. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

That's a Tsar Bomba of a petard.

 

[unofan]

So, this is an insane and almost certainly stupid legal question.

Say there wasn't any well-documented cases in western Michigan and then suddenly two weeks from now we have a wave of deaths. If someone were to trace their contacts and find out it was ConfederateFlagDUDE20 who gave it to him or her, could there be any kind of liability for FlagDUDE2020? They were out in defiance of a currently valid order to stay at home. Could you argue this was reckless and negligent?

I'm guessing that's on extraordinarily shaky and new legal grounds. And you'd have to somehow prove it was FlagDUDE20 who gave it to you I assume? An almost impossible task.

Either way, just curious.

Getting proof of the causal connection would be tough, but I would think there'd be a negligence or reckless disregard claim that's possible. There's definitely precedent that knowingly spreading a communicable disease is assault (and at least one case involving HIV, attempted murder)

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Interesting. I was vaguely familiar with the HIV case but wasn't sure how that played out in the courts. I think the difference here might be that with the long incubation period there's quite a bit of wiggle room to say you didn't know you had it. Either way, stupid for them to be out.