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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

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St. Clown said:
Legalize it and set licensing and regulations in place to protect the women, force out the pimps, and increase the penalties on the johns using illegal prostitutes to be so steep that they wouldn't dream of it. Those arrested for pimping should also be charged on whatever grounds they can be for harboring slaves (sex slaves is what a number of these prostitutes being rented out end up being) and human trafficking, if possible. Set legalized zones for bordellos to operate, caps on what owners of the bordellos can charge the girls (agency fees, room and board, etc.), and create a minimum age for these women, either 21 or 25 (I'd prefer 25).
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I agree mostly. I'm not wild about the idea of bordello owners selling their girls' time. I'd rather the women were just independent contractors or a union. Grant them self-determination and get all the scum bucket profiteers out of it. Don't exchange one form of slavery (the pimp) for another (the owner).

Sex sold by a prostitute is a product. It should be regulated but there is no good reason for it to be illegal. The moral issues that matter are disposed of by giving the women agency. The religious issues are solved by believers not using the product. The public health issues are covered under just that: public health.

Generally speaking, "vice" provisions should be either recast as health or exploitation issues, or just dropped. They were typically religious preferences written into law by blue noses or, more likely, opportunistic pols.
 
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joecct said:
Agree, but anecdotal evidence suggests some ladies are paying their way through college as a licensed prostitute.

I wonder what the percentages and age limits are in the licensed brothels in NV?
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I'm not worried about those trying to pay their way through college, I'm thinking more about protecting young women who are easily abused or taken advantage of. We mature a lot between the ages of 18 and 25, with 25 being the theoretical norm for when brain development ends. A woman's less likely to be manipulated at 25 than 21, though it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Makes more sense than legalizing drugs that we can't handle addiction or criminal justice for.
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Um. The criminal justice issues come from the drugs' illegality, Scoob. I worry about you sometimes... ;)

"If be abolish prohibition and more people drink how we will find jail cells for all of them..."
 
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St. Clown said:
with 25 being the theoretical norm for when brain development ends
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Is that number right? I know male brains are still infant larvae at 23, but females seem to have made the leap to human by then.
 
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Kepler said:
I agree mostly. I'm not wild about the idea of bordello owners selling their girls' time. I'd rather the women were just independent contractors or a union. Make them self-determined and get all the scum bucket profiteers out of it. Don't exchange one form of slavery for another.
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That's where the various caps come into play. Even if the girls are contractors, the owner of the bordello will get paid one way or the other. They will have a say in which girls they allow into their business, so the payment structure is more of a detail to be worked out. There could be set in place maximum working hours or days per week set, something that would more or less force these girls to go out into the world and away from their place of business. States could even limit contact between the "talent" and operators during those off hours if it would help to abate pseudo-slavery issues. Again, it's all in the details.
 
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Kepler said:
Um. The criminal justice issues come from the drugs' illegality, Scoob. I worry about you sometimes... ;)

"If be abolish prohibition and more people drink how we will find jail cells for all of them..."
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Sure. And when we legalize it we can't handle the medical part of it. Course we can't handle the medical when it's illegal either.
 
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SJHovey said:
The problem is that science hasn't caught up with the legalization.

As I understand it, there is no breath test for marijuana in your system. You have to do blood or urine, or possibly saliva, so a quick, easy, "defensible in court" test at the scene is not readily available.
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Ideally the test should be of impairment, not its cause. Pull a guy over who is weaving and give him a test of his ability to pilot the vehicle. The reason he fails -- drugs, booze, the olds, blindness, just being a sh-t driver -- should have no bearing.

This would, by the way, render the entire states of Massachusetts and Utah car free.
 
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Kepler said:
Is that number right? I know male brains are still infant larvae at 23, but females seem to have made the leap to human by then.
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That's the number I've seen tossed around from time to time. People with more interest and knowledge on the subject than I have could verify. Perhaps pro websites would even be a good resource, but I'm comfortable giving the number for this purpose. I think it's also the reason insurance companies use 25 as a point where automobile insurance rates drop.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sure. And when we legalize it we can't handle the medical part of it. Course we can't handle the medical when it's illegal either.
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What is "the medical part" for pot? I'm on board with you for keeping heroin off the street, but what medical scourge is there with pot? Dorito poisoning?
 
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St. Clown said:
That's the number I've seen tossed around from time to time. People with more interest and knowledge on the subject than I have could verify. Perhaps pro websites would even be a good resource, but I'm comfortable giving the number for this purpose. I think it's also the reason insurance companies use 25 as a point where automobile insurance rates drop.
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I can see that, though it would be kind of nice if there was a test for maturity. I have met 12-year olds who were more mature than most 40-year olds, and the Republican presumptive nominee fort president is 69 but emotionally 8.
 
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Kepler said:
What is "the medical part" for pot? I'm on board with you for keeping heroin off the street, but what medical scourge is there with pot? Dorito poisoning?
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*Adapted for context and because the anatomically correct word is banned on this site*

A man goes into his doctor's office for his physical. The doctor asks him if he's experiencing any other issues that he should know about. The man replies, "Well, it's kind of embarrassing, but my dick has turned orange recently. I'm kind or worried, but everything seems to be working fine."

The doctor has the man show him his dick and does a preliminary examination. The doctor then replies, "That is very odd. I'm going to have to investigate this some more, consult my peers and books. Tell me, have any of your habits changed much lately."

The man replies, "Well, sort of, I guess. I got laid off recently, so I've been spending a lot more time at home [smoking pot], watching porn and eating Cheetos."
 
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Kepler said:
What is "the medical part" for pot? I'm on board with you for keeping heroin off the street, but what medical scourge is there with pot? Dorito poisoning?
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Addiction. Unless you don't think marijuana addiction has fallout like any other drug.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Addiction. Unless you don't think marijuana addiction has fallout like any other drug.
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Marijuana has no physically addictive compounds in it. It's purely a habitual drug, not addictive.
 
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SJHovey said:
The problem is that science hasn't caught up with the legalization.

As I understand it, there is no breath test for marijuana in your system. You have to do blood or urine, or possibly saliva, so a quick, easy, "defensible in court" test at the scene is not readily available.

The problem with those tests is that you can test positive for marijuana days or even weeks after you use it. The remnants remain but there is no influence over your motor skills. That leads to the final problem which is that while even with alcohol people may vary slightly in terms of their level of function, everyone loses certain motor skills when under the influence, whereas with marijuana, they are not sure that's true.
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I took a saliva test when I lived in Washington...it took a few minutes to get a reading and while I MAY have partaked in some less than legal activities a couple days prior (the new law had not gone in effect yet) the test came out negative. I think things are changing on the testing front quite quickly...
 
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