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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

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Speaking of gun control...

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced Tuesday that the commonwealth will no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits, part of a national push to circumvent legislatures opposed to tightening gun laws.

Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun. The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.

“While you are here, you are subject to the commonwealth’s gun laws,” Herring said during a news conference.
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tldr: VA no longer recognizes permits from states whose standards are lower than VA's.

Legal eagles? At first glance I thought it won't fly because someone with a permit who would also have qualified under VA law now has that right stripped without due process. Well, that plus if the NRA sneezes the whole Congress catches a cold. But then again, this is not the right to have a gun, only to conceal carry. I assume the Second has never been interpreted to imply concealed carry as a right, in which case can't VA do this the way it can refuse reciprocity with out of state law licenses?
 
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Concealed carry is not a right, therefore it has defaulted to being a state's rights issue. Hence why in most states, you have to get a CCW permit to legally conceal-carry certain classes of weapons (which also varies from state to state). In some states, that is much easier than in others, and not every state currently recognizes out of state CCW permits. There are even a handful of states/territories, including a couple of surprising ones like Vermont and PR, where it's totally unrestricted and you don't even need the permit.

Believe it or not, back during the Jim Crow era, many Southern states officially banned conceal-carry on the grounds that only criminals do so, though it was obviously due to racism more than anything else.
 
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Seems kind of short sighted, imho. Do we really want to further erode whatever is left of full faith and credit? What's next, Kansas refusing to acknowledge the validity of a New Jersey drivers license (I've seen how those people drive)?
 
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SJHovey said:
What's next, Kansas refusing to acknowledge the validity of a New Jersey drivers license (I've seen how those people drive)?
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IALTO :D

We've already ignored full faith and credit when it comes to differences in marriage laws for decades. Historically, in cases where state's rights are at hand, the feds don't like forcing one state to comply with the public policies and legal pronouncements of another state.
 
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IALTO :D

We've already ignored full faith and credit when it comes to differences in marriage laws for decades. Historically, in cases where state's rights are at hand, the feds don't like forcing one state to comply with the public policies and legal pronouncements of another state.
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I understand. It's probably not a real full faith and credit case anyway. But it just seems a bit foolish to me when states decide to engage in these "wars" with other states over political differences.
 
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Travis Bickle is in the Wisconsin state legislature.

Wisconsin state Rep. Bob Gannon (R) said gun-owning citizens should "help clean our society of these scumbags" in a Monday statement defending concealed carry laws, The Wisconsin State Journal reported.
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c.f.
 
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I assume you ignored the part of the law regarding, "all eligible voters", because it was reported by a dreaded "MSM" source (the Times, IIRC, is a GOPe paper), and all of your fellow paranoids supposedly know better.
 
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And lest you think I support Gov. Snyder simply because I find Michael Moore to be a petulant Hollywood a55hole who makes laughably bad films that oversimplify and dumb-down the topic at hand, here's a timeline of the disaster in Flint.

Snyder should ultimately be resigning over this, IMO. However, he's going to have to be forced, so it's not likely.
 
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Moore's first movie is great, and Bowling for Columbine is good (except for the scene with Heston, which was asinine). But he's the very last person I ever want to associate himself with any issue I care about, because his mere presence will turn half the uncommitteds against it.

I'm sure conservatives have an equivalent. I would be quite happy if MM took a permanent vacation from politics. He stayed too long at the party (not to mention the banquet).
 
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Moore's first movie is great, and Bowling for Columbine is good (except for the scene with Heston, which was asinine). But he's the very last person I ever want to associate himself with any issue I care about, because his mere presence will turn half the uncommitteds against it.

I'm sure conservatives have an equivalent. I would be quite happy if MM took a permanent vacation from politics. He stayed too long at the party (not to mention the banquet).
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Saw one Moore doc...can't even remember which one. He came across as pompous and showboating. I kept saying to myself...get off my side. That was just one doc and it was awhile ago though. Did he do one on smoking? I think that was the topic.
 
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And lest you think I support Gov. Snyder simply because I find Michael Moore to be a petulant Hollywood a55hole who makes laughably bad films that oversimplify and dumb-down the topic at hand, here's a timeline of the disaster in Flint.

Snyder should ultimately be resigning over this, IMO. However, he's going to have to be forced, so it's not likely.
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Don't have a link handy, but Snyder has declared a state of emergency in Flint and is appealing to the Feds for assistance.
 
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Don't have a link handy, but Snyder has declared a state of emergency in Flint and is appealing to the Feds for assistance.
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President Obama has signed off

This should trigger a federal investigation. You want federal money to deal with your mess? You better be prepared to answer to the FBI.

AG Schuette launching an "investigation" is equivalent to the fox watching the hen house. He is an in-the-system Republican shill who likely took money from insurance companies as a judge.
 
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If Snyder had any pride he'd resign, but his tenure is typical of the failure of conservatism in general, which has little to no interest in the nitty gritty work of governing. If you gave a con a choice between making sure drinking water is safe from lead, or going to a fancy party thrown by the Koch brothers and then proposing a billion dollar tax cut for them, which do you think Joe Conservative governor is going to choose? Snyder didn't seem like a bad guy before, but sitting around with your thumb up your @ ss for a year while kids are drinking poison water is ridiculous, and he ought to be facing federal charges.

Charlie Pierce had an article about this which I'll try to find linking Snyder and the equally incompetent Rahm Emmanuel (who yes I realize is a Dem) as two pols who need to call it quits.

Found it: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41062/rahm-emmanuel-rick-snyder-should-resign/
 
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