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The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

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ShirtlessBob said:
Iowa Republicans pass minimum wage rollback. Small government and local control, my arse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-minimum-wage_us_58dd4b66e4b05eae031e16c6
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I want to feel bad but I dont. The voters wanted this and they got it. It isnt like Republicans are secretive about this...they hate the minimum wage and would eliminate completely if they could. The Idiots Out Walking Around (I.O.W.A.) gave them complete control and now they must deal with the consequences.
 
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Handyman said:
I want to feel bad but I dont. The voters wanted this and they got it. It isnt like Republicans are secretive about this...they hate the minimum wage and would eliminate completely if they could. The Idiots Out Walking Around (I.O.W.A.) gave them complete control and now they must deal with the consequences.
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It's amazing. And what's even more amazing is that SNL picked on those people on the cold open last Saturday and they're the ones being called tone deaf this week. I'm to the point where I don't care if another Democrat gets elected or not as long as stupid can be called stupid.
 
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Handyman said:
I want to feel bad but I dont. The voters wanted this and they got it. It isnt like Republicans are secretive about this...they hate the minimum wage and would eliminate completely if they could. The Idiots Out Walking Around (I.O.W.A.) gave them complete control and now they must deal with the consequences.
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And yet the globalists are the ones pushing for the prison industrial complex, illegal amnesty, and other regulations that are centered around what is effectively slave labor...
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Wow. An actual new idea executed by a Government in the United States. Mark your calendars, folks.
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Now I know I'm unfairly accused of being a little obnoxious out here, but I'm genuinely curious (as opposed to just trying to drive Kep nuts ;) ) where the arch libs are on Cuomo for 2020. Love him or hate him, but he has passed through his legislature with Gooper votes 1) legalizing gay marriage, and 2) free college tuition for residents at state universities. Those are pretty liberal victories.
 
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Rover said:
Now this is a straight out Bernie proposal, passed into law, by....Andrew Cuomo??? :confused:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/the-...ree-but-students-must-stay-after-college.html
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My favorite part of the article:
"I don't know how much I like feeling confined, even to staying in the state for four more years," said Bobby Rickard, an 18-year-old freshman from Brewster who has not yet decided his major. "I don't know what life will have for me."
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Spoken like someone who either shouldn't be attending college or doesn't understand what a loan is or the weight it places on a person.

I imagine if you had asked someone who is five years out of college with student loans the same question, you'd get a vastly different answer.


ETA: The program as described in the article seems like a really good idea. Free education but you have to pay it back by working in-state. That seems perfectly reasonable.

The critiques provided in the article by the various people interviewed are fairly hollow.
 
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None of that fine print seems unreasonable. I wish it were prorated for if you stay in the state for less time. Something progressive like
Year 1: 10% forgiven
Year 2: 25% forgiven
Year 3: 50% forgiven
Year 4: 100% forgiven

It is also reasonable that you should have to at least apply for other federal scholarships and grants.

Attending full time should be a requirement. No problem there. Finishing on time doesn't seem too bad as long as the penalty for going over isn't that you have to pay back 100%. If you go over, you are now responsible for the remainder of the years of tuition. That's still significantly better than being responsible for all five years of tuition.

Not paying for room and board is a little unfortunate. But how else would you prevent someone from going to a cheap college but living in a supremely nice apartment? Again, still better than paying for four years of everything. It also makes sense to make you have some stake in it. It makes you consider budgetary limits and living expenses.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
None of that fine print seems unreasonable. I wish it were prorated for if you stay in the state for less time. Something progressive like
Year 1: 10% forgiven
Year 2: 25% forgiven
Year 3: 50% forgiven
Year 4: 100% forgiven

It is also reasonable that you should have to at least apply for other federal scholarships and grants.

Attending full time should be a requirement. No problem there. Finishing on time doesn't seem too bad as long as the penalty for going over isn't that you have to pay back 100%. If you go over, you are now responsible for the remainder of the years of tuition. That's still significantly better than being responsible for all five years of tuition.

Not paying for room and board is a little unfortunate. But how else would you prevent someone from going to a cheap college but living in a supremely nice apartment? Again, still better than paying for four years of everything. It also makes sense to make you have some stake in it. It makes you consider budgetary limits and living expenses.
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Given the cost.of room and board these days, if I could live off campus, I would.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
None of that fine print seems unreasonable. I wish it were prorated for if you stay in the state for less time. Something progressive like
Year 1: 10% forgiven
Year 2: 25% forgiven
Year 3: 50% forgiven
Year 4: 100% forgiven

It is also reasonable that you should have to at least apply for other federal scholarships and grants.

Attending full time should be a requirement. No problem there. Finishing on time doesn't seem too bad as long as the penalty for going over isn't that you have to pay back 100%. If you go over, you are now responsible for the remainder of the years of tuition. That's still significantly better than being responsible for all five years of tuition.

Not paying for room and board is a little unfortunate. But how else would you prevent someone from going to a cheap college but living in a supremely nice apartment? Again, still better than paying for four years of everything. It also makes sense to make you have some stake in it. It makes you consider budgetary limits and living expenses.
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I'm not sure. Part of the problem is that the lowest income people can't go to school full-time because they still need money for other expenses and they don't have parental resources for that. A large number of people get their degrees over a long, disjointed amount of time, using work credit where possible.

I understand the motivation, but it may work against those who need the most help.

The ultimate solution for all these issues, education, health, child care, is guaranteed basic income. Give people a living income to spend however.
 
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What about encouraging trade schools and apprenticeships? We will always need plumbers, mechanics, electricians, etc.

Some of the trade schools cost just as much as college.
 
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joecct said:
What about encouraging trade schools and apprenticeships? We will always need plumbers, mechanics, electricians, etc.

Some of the trade schools cost just as much as college.
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This is definitely part of the solution.

Maybe a start is making the state trade schools and community colleges tuition free. That would direct immediate help to the people in most immediate need. It costs like $20k to go to cosmetology school. That's insane and really counter-productive.
 
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