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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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What's the likelihood it succeeds?

If it passes the House...it is a lock. The GOP holds 34 of 50 seats in the Senate. GOP has enough votes in the House to get it through.

edit: WaPo Story

Judicial impeachment in Pennsylvania requires the support of a majority of House members and two-thirds of the Senate. Republicans currently hold enough seats in both chambers to carry out an impeachment without any Democratic support.

Legal experts say the comments from other Republican lawmakers are alarming.

“Using impeachment — even talking about impeachment in a serious fashion — as a means to express disagreement with one particular substantive decision is a very dangerous approach to both the structure of government and the rule of law, and a serious threat to the independence of the judiciary,” said Justin Levitt of Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Levitt said there are a number of reasonable objections to make to the court’s ruling, including its definition of gerrymandering and the time frame in which it required new maps to be drawn. But, he said, “that’s a standard-issue fight over substance and procedure, not about whether the Justices were defaulting on their obligations to act as Justices.”

Rick Hasen, a professor of law and political science at the University of California at Irvine, similarly said that “it undermines rule of law to impeach judges because you disagree with their decisions.” He suggested that lawmakers concerned about partisanship on the court should consider a “more worthy reform,” such as allowing the state’s Supreme Court justices to be appointed by lawmakers. Right now, they’re elected by voters in “partisan elections.”

And Michael Li, redistricting and voting counsel at New York University’s Brennan Center, said that Pennsylvania Republicans could take partisanship out of redistricting completely by putting the process in the hands of an independent commission. “If Rs really believe this is a bad state supreme court,” he wrote on Twitter, “they should pass the great bipartisan redistricting reform amendment currently before them.”
 
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More from the best people :
“A leading Republican candidate for Kentucky secretary of State is being investigated by the FBI after he tweeted about using Democratic Rep. John Yarmuth as target practice over his opposition to NRA.”
 
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If it passes the House...it is a lock. The GOP holds 34 of 50 seats in the Senate. GOP has enough votes in the House to get it through.

edit: WaPo Story

I'm guessing there's no recourse either?

I agree with a lot of what the scholars said in your post. This is dangerous territory...
 
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A couple of things:

1) this story is a month old. originally PA goopers talked about impeaching PA SC justices over maps. Not aware anything has happened since Feb.

2) the point is now moot. The time to do this would have been before the new maps were drawn and finalized. Now with the SCOTUS refusing to intervene, the new maps are officially in place for November and any attempt to get rid of the justices at this point has no upside and lots of downside.
 
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A couple of things:

1) this story is a month old. originally PA goopers talked about impeaching PA SC justices over maps. Not aware anything has happened since Feb.

2) the point is now moot. The time to do this would have been before the new maps were drawn and finalized. Now with the SCOTUS refusing to intervene, the new maps are officially in place for November and any attempt to get rid of the justices at this point has no upside and lots of downside.

The story I linked is a month old. They actually started the process yesterday. You might want to try and google things from time to time...

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The move itself makes no sense unless they can get new justices in place who will overturn it. They pull that move though and my guess is SCOTUS blocks them.
 
A couple of things:

1) this story is a month old. originally PA goopers talked about impeaching PA SC justices over maps. Not aware anything has happened since Feb.

2) the point is now moot. The time to do this would have been before the new maps were drawn and finalized. Now with the SCOTUS refusing to intervene, the new maps are officially in place for November and any attempt to get rid of the justices at this point has no upside and lots of downside.

They waited until the SC refused to help them then took action yesterday so no, it’s new
 
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Great, but its still a moot point. There's zero upside (the maps are in place) and tons of downside. Go for it I say. As we found out in Virginia, majorities that Goopers thought were safe turned out a lot differently come election day.
 
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A couple of things:

1) this story is a month old. originally PA goopers talked about impeaching PA SC justices over maps. Not aware anything has happened since Feb.

2) the point is now moot. The time to do this would have been before the new maps were drawn and finalized. Now with the SCOTUS refusing to intervene, the new maps are officially in place for November and any attempt to get rid of the justices at this point has no upside and lots of downside.

Presumably they would just put their stooges in place, they would deliver a hit on the new maps, and then carry water for the GOP. This is what Republican state legs are doing all across the country.

The solution to all of this is what the Founders put in place: the check is the people. And if the people fail then that's it, the democratic experiment is a failure.
 
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Presumably they would just put their stooges in place, they would deliver a hit on the new maps, and then carry water for the GOP. This is what Republican state legs are doing all across the country.

The solution to all of this is what the Founders put in place: the check is the people. And if the people fail then that's it, the democratic experiment is a failure.

I believe Iowa did something similar to this a few years ago. As I recall, the Iowa Supreme Court issued a ruling on gay rights. A recall campaign was begun and I think some or all of those judges were ousted in the recall vote. Not sure if any of them were ever reappointed or if they ran again later in subsequent elections, or what.
 
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The solution to all of this is what the Founders put in place: the check is the people. And if the people fail then that's it, the democratic experiment is a failure.

Well, a third of the country considers moderate and liberal judges to be "terrorists in black robes", so...
 
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I don’t think a liberal has ever used the words, “judicial activism” except when making fun of the deplorable s.
 
I believe Iowa did something similar to this a few years ago. As I recall, the Iowa Supreme Court issued a ruling on gay rights. A recall campaign was begun and I think some or all of those judges were ousted in the recall vote. Not sure if any of them were ever reappointed or if they ran again later in subsequent elections, or what.

3 got booted by the voting public following the unanimous ruling allowing gay marriage (officially, they were not retained). They got replaced by the Stache with 3 conservatives.

The latest derp is a bill proposing that they can't rule something unconstitutional without a super majority of 5/7 justices - leading to the awkwardness of something being found unconstitutional but still on the books because it wasn't unconstitutional enough. I don't think it'll make it through the state House, but the GOP may try to get it through if they think they'll lose one of the chambers in November anyway.

Edit: apparently it died in the state House last week. Good.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: American Nazi wins Republican primary in Illinois' Third Congressional District.<br><br>No, really. A real American right wing, white supremacist, white nationalist NAZI. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IL03?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IL03</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IllinoisPrimary?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IllinoisPrimary</a> <a href="https://t.co/qgdYn4JhlV">pic.twitter.com/qgdYn4JhlV</a></p>— Bryan Dawson (@BryanDawsonUSA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/976285563861983232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: American Nazi wins Republican primary in Illinois' Third Congressional District.<br><br>No, really. A real American right wing, white supremacist, white nationalist NAZI. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IL03?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IL03</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IllinoisPrimary?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IllinoisPrimary</a> <a href="https://t.co/qgdYn4JhlV">pic.twitter.com/qgdYn4JhlV</a></p>— Bryan Dawson (@BryanDawsonUSA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/976285563861983232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I hate Illinois nazis.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: American Nazi wins Republican primary in Illinois' Third Congressional District.<br><br>No, really. A real American right wing, white supremacist, white nationalist NAZI. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IL03?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IL03</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IllinoisPrimary?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IllinoisPrimary</a> <a href="https://t.co/qgdYn4JhlV">pic.twitter.com/qgdYn4JhlV</a></p>— Bryan Dawson (@BryanDawsonUSA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/976285563861983232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The GOP is a big tent.
 
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