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The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Les: I saw the handwriting on the wall starting back about 1997. I had a few episodes where i could not practice the best medicine for patients because of interference by HMO's, insurance companies, and Medicare. I discussed this at length with my office manager (my nurse and wife). I told her after 30 years of practice, for the first time, I could no longer practice like i have to. I told her I was going to shut down the office rather than become part of this system. I am no expert on much in this world but when it comes to medicine-I refuse to compromise. I was not going to allow some 21 year old girl on the phone who was popping gum in my ear tell me that i could not biopsy a nuclear physicist sitting in my office because he was not referred to me properly by his gatekeeper. Because I am me-and Jenny is Jenny-We wanted to personally explain to each patient. It took me 3-4 years to tell each patient we saw and notify all the others by mail. I could not close down without making sure each and every patient was either totally stable or referred properly to someone who could care for them as well as possible. it was an incredibly tough decision. Neither Jenny or I had come from families with any resources. Our retirement would have to be funded by what we had saved or invested (and being a doctor i of course knew nothing of finance-doctors are the WORST businessmen even though they would never admit it). We are very fortunate to have planned our life the way we did. We do not have large overhead. We live within our means. And i have made a second career out of investing and have surprised myself with how well i have done.
Do we miss practicing? Gosh, do we ever!. But i continue to do consulting work and i keep current on CME and even do occassional teaching. Jenny is the one who misses practice the most-she is cut from the old school cloth. The old time nurse. White shoes, white uniform, white hat and stockings. I still refer to her as nurse Ratchet. But she lives for the profession and is as devoted to helping people today as ever. We do not consider ourselves anything special, and i am sure most of my generation of physicians feels exactly the same, but we are the medical personnel that has been driven out of the profession and we are losing more like us every day. I salute you for continuing to try to provide the best of care. I am just not sure for how much longer you will be able to do it.
 
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Great film...could be better, yes, but should at least be mandatory.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=89nnsWZhkI4
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sp4Y_DNMYk
QFT. And because not one poster watched it. Duh.


And in other news, medical school is some seriously effed up tish as well. this, much like the healthcare dilemma, most will not understand.


I'll gladly go back to my 100K/year, 3 day/week job as a bedside nurse any **** day. carry on.
 
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QFT. And because not one poster watched it. Duh.


And in other news, medical school is some seriously effed up tish as well. this, much like the healthcare dilemma, most will not understand.


I'll gladly go back to my 100K/year, 3 day/week job as a bedside nurse any **** day. carry on.
When your links don't work for standard browsers, people won't bother.

And you're training to become a doctor? We're doomed.
 
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When your links don't work for standard browsers, people won't bother.

And you're training to become a doctor? We're doomed.
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Don't worry. My goal is to never touch patients. Ever. My work will emphasize the "MBA" portion of the degree. America ruined my dream of being a doctor. One day I'll own all of you (cause you dumb asses are already doomed). :)
 
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Dr.D I fear you are right. It is also nice to have some one get it. I am cut of the old cloth as well (not to the hat, stockings and whites but the dedication to the patients thing)I am so sick of hearing this is the new normal.

Probably totally illogical but I have very little prob with medicare/aid limiting things- at least they give something and those who get that should be grateful. (something I think people forget) It is the for profit insurance co that feed the general public the hooha about caring for the patient, how it hurts them to cut things, it is all the gov't/ regulations fault while their CEOs make more than the GNP of half the developing conunties that makes me want to puke. The $ is the only motivator and it is amazing people don't realize that.

Sometimes I want to go work at the community ctr but the red tape to change practices takes about 6 months and the thought of having to learn a new system/leave my patients behind stops me..
 
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Les: Weather permitting-Jenny and I walk the larger flea markets within driving distance most weekends. It is great exercise and we meet such a great assortment of people. Often we are able to offer some medical advice and refer people for care that they would have otherwise not gotten. We have a blast and i am not under the constant pressure of the office practice. And people are incredibly grateful. But thinking about it all-if I had to start over now-I just do not know if I would have made medicine my career. Of course earning a living is a concern but I always needed to be my own boss. I am not one to take directions from others.
 
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I have very little prob with medicare/aid limiting things- at least they give something and those who get that should be grateful.

That by itself in theory should be innocuous; the problems start when what was supposed to be the floor becomes the mandatory ceiling! people cannot opt out of Medicare even if they want to! that wouldn't be "fair" to the rest of us, you know....:(
 
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Dr.D I fear you are right. It is also nice to have some one get it. I am cut of the old cloth as well (not to the hat, stockings and whites but the dedication to the patients thing)I am so sick of hearing this is the new normal.

Probably totally illogical but I have very little prob with medicare/aid limiting things- at least they give something and those who get that should be grateful. (something I think people forget) It is the for profit insurance co that feed the general public the hooha about caring for the patient, how it hurts them to cut things, it is all the gov't/ regulations fault while their CEOs make more than the GNP of half the developing conunties that makes me want to puke. The $ is the only motivator and it is amazing people don't realize that.

Sometimes I want to go work at the community ctr but the red tape to change practices takes about 6 months and the thought of having to learn a new system/leave my patients behind stops me..
THIS...bears repeating. Great to have informed commentary.
 
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While I certainly don't want to "defend" the health insurance companies, I would suggest a little bit of perspective as well.

First, an analogy, and as we know, all analogies eventually break down if you push them too far or too hard.

You go into a retail store, and you buy $100 of items. The proprietor charges you $106.50. Irate, you ask him/her: "what's going on here?!*@#& ? the price tags add up to $100! what's this additional $6.50 you're charging me?"

And s/he patiently explains that is the state sales tax.

so you ask, "if it's the state sales tax, why are you the one collecting it then? I repeat, what's going on?"


The example is that many times the government designates a business to do its job for it rather than doing the job directly itself.
 
Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

While I certainly don't want to "defend" the health insurance companies, I would suggest a little bit of perspective as well.

First, an analogy, and as we know, all analogies eventually break down if you push them too far or too hard.

You go into a retail store, and you buy $100 of items. The proprietor charges you $106.50. Irate, you ask him/her: "what's going on here?!*@#& ? the price tags add up to $100! what's this additional $6.50 you're charging me?"

And s/he patiently explains that is the state sales tax.

so you ask, "if it's the state sales tax, why are you the one collecting it then? I repeat, what's going on?"


The example is that many times the government designates a business to do its job for it rather than doing the job directly itself.
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What do you all think about "concierge" medicine?
 
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What do you all think about "concierge" medicine?

It is being tried in some areas. I suppose it is an option in some areas of the country where the population has substantial assets or earnings and works better for some specialties than others. The few internists that I know who practice this way are very happy with their practices. The patients must be happy or else they would not pay for the services. Because of the out of pocket costs I just do not see it ever being a major player in the overall medical picture. My patients were 90% blue collar or seniors who probably would never be interested or have the disposable money needed.
 
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Research indicates that patients with VIP medicine have worse outcomes.

RS: When I hear that kind of statement i have to ask-what criteria is used to determine outcomes? How can we be sure that the populations involved are the same? Perhaps those that seek that kind of treatment do so simply because they are more ill or older and in need of more care? Comparing the statistics of outcomes is not always easy. I often see the life expectancy compared in this country with that of Sweden and Japan-however the results here can be skewed by obvious things-we have more young men losing life at an early age serving in the Middle East and more young drivers killed on the highways and we certainly have more young black men getting shot in the streets. Not to mention the poorer health of a large pool of immigrants here. Losing all these 16-24 years olds can certainly weigh on the numbers. I am not in any way disagreeing with your statement, I honestly do not know the answer, but i can see how that answer would need a lot of control of the populations involved to make it valid.
 
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It's fascinating to me that people's attitude toward dental care is so different than it is for health care in general.

I think it is safe to say that nearly everyone brushes their teeth at least daily; many people do brush after every meal.

Yet how many people tend to their health with the same fealty?
 
Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

It's fascinating to me that people's attitude toward dental care is so different than it is for health care in general.

I think it is safe to say that nearly everyone brushes their teeth at least daily; many people do brush after every meal.

Yet how many people tend to their health with the same fealty?
Not many I of the ones I saw today!

On a more serious note. RFAlph posted on a couple of other threads that DrDemento is from the Jersey Shore area. No one has been able to make contact with him since Monday night. Send out the good thoughts/vibes rayers for him and his wife! Hoping he is OK
 
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Not many I of the ones I saw today!

On a more serious note. RFAlph posted on a couple of other threads that DrDemento is from the Jersey Shore area. No one has been able to make contact with him since Monday night. Send out the good thoughts/vibes rayers for him and his wife! Hoping he is OK
Dr. D has been heard from. OK but "hunkered down"
 
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Not many I of the ones I saw today!

On a more serious note. RFAlph posted on a couple of other threads that DrDemento is from the Jersey Shore area. No one has been able to make contact with him since Monday night. Send out the good thoughts/vibes rayers for him and his wife! Hoping he is OK

Thanks Les!! We are fine but did without electric, cable, TV, internet, heat, cooking everything from Monday morning until today. We were well prepared-the kitties all had food and litter, we had tons of canned goods, we burned 3 cords of wood in the fireplace for heat and Jenny is like pioneer woman. She cooked some fabulous meals in the fireplace. Bigger problem was no gasoline to go anywhere, traffic lights all out or down, roads all blocked and the absolute imbeciles who live on the Jersey Shore who just cannot survive or behave without computers, cell phones and electronic conveniences. It was stressful of course but mostly because we had no contact with friends and family. Our saving grace was a Verizon landline which stayed live. I will NEVER ever live without one landline. The cell towers here were useless-either down or overwhelmed. We live a short ditance from a small hospital which was running on emergency generator power and virtually no staff-so we just drove over and helped anyone who could get there that needed some sort of care. I practiced about 9 different specialties and had a blast. But the highlight was having Jenny there as my nurse for the first time working in regualr clothes-no white hat, no white stockings, no white shoes or uniform-almost did not recognize her. Old time medicine-the way it used to be-and the way I relly wished it was today. It is still a mess down here and we expect a noreaster in 3 days to wreck havoc all over again. Just hoping we retain power and cable this time. Best regards to all who posted and asked about us.:)
 
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Great to hear from you. Sounds like you got to work the equivilent of a mash unit. Hopefully the No'Easter will peter out.
 
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