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The Religion Thread: A Believer-Atheist Alliance

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I do it all the time, but to be fair, some posters make it very easy to pigeonhole their tone.
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Foxton was always shrill to me, always on the attack and almost always on the verge of hysterics, then ending smug with the glee of thinking someone might have the audacity to contradict what she said. Bob Grey was always exasperated that people were just so clueless about THE religion that it came across in his tone. Other people, though, I could switch up the tone of what was written and see it the words from more than a single angle.
 
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St. Clown said:
Foxton was always shrill to me, always on the attack and almost always on the verge of hysterics, then ending smug with the glee of thinking someone might have the audacity to contradict what she said. Bob Grey was always exasperated that people were just so clueless about THE religion that it came across in his tone. Other people, though, I could switch up the tone of what was written and see it the words from more than a single angle.
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90% of the time, Old Pio was doing an R Lee Ermy bit.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
90% of the time, Old Pio was doing an R Lee Ermy bit.
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Agreed. Then I heard the internet feed of a radio broadcast for his obit, and it sounded just like the voice in my head.

Sometimes you play to type. :D
 
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St. Clown said:
Foxton was always shrill to me, always on the attack and almost always on the verge of hysterics, then ending smug with the glee of thinking someone might have the audacity to contradict what she said. Bob Grey was always exasperated that people were just so clueless about THE religion that it came across in his tone. Other people, though, I could switch up the tone of what was written and see it the words from more than a single angle.
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You can at least spell my name correctly if you're going to misrepresent what I said. Carry on. :p
 
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Interesting. Conflicting thoughts on that. It isn't as if the characters displayed or the stories they are assoc with were promoting anything bad. I can get that people want a place to worship to be sacred but other than Jesus tipping the money changers tables over didn't the temples he worshipped at contain both religious and secular things?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
That is very weird. I've never heard of a Catholic diocese allowing such a secular art display within one of their churches.
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Omaha's cathedral is actually beautiful, and the annual flower show is extremely well done.

The janitor is an idiot. A faithful one, perhaps, but an idiot nonetheless.
 
Kepler said:
To quote The Producers, "they try, man how they try."
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I'm 60 so I do remember prayer in Kindergarten (Franklin School, Bergenfield, NJ). I also remember prayer watching Romper Room on TV.

You're not going to see it now and I doubt Federal Courts would let what KY is trying to do stand. It's another instance where folks don't like the secularization of our society trying to make a statement.

Now if they try to ban baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet, I'm getting outraged.
 
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joecct said:
I'm 60 so I do remember prayer in Kindergarten (Franklin School, Bergenfield, NJ). I also remember prayer watching Romper Room on TV.

You're not going to see it now and I doubt Federal Courts would let what KY is trying to do stand. It's another instance where folks don't like the secularization of our society trying to make a statement.

Now if they try to ban baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet, I'm getting outraged.
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In theory if you want to teach the Bible this sounds like a work around. I would say we can assume the SC would knock it down but now we don't really have a SC (short a Justice). If we were to have fun and believe it makes it past challenges now you have to figure out how to teach it when there are different translations, interpretations, deciding how literal you believe it should be. I can't wrap my head around it. I am a very faithful person wth deep beliefs. I would lose my mind if a Dugger type wanted to teach my kid. Likewise I am sure they would be horrified with how I thought it would be taught. We always joke at my church you can present the shortest Bible verse "Jesus wept" and have as many interpretations as there are people.
 
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It might actually be entertaining to let them try to teach the Bible in schools. The various sects could then rip each other to shreds over what the "right" version is.

Teaching the actual historiography of the Bible would also blow most of the students' minds. You mean it's not an invariant text? You mean we have great evidence that it was constantly worked over and reworked over by different groups with different agendas? You mean every story in it is lifted, often verbatim, from older stories that are obviously myth and folklore?

Biblical literalism can't stand up to even the slightest amount of historically-informed research, so that way lies madness for the thumpers. We actually did them a big favor by kicking it out of the public schools, thus allowing them to submerge their differences in a common fury against "secularism."

As with any insurgency, if you attack them they just unify and harden, but if you let them take over a space and force them to have to provide workaday logistics, they'll tear each other apart for you.
 
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Kepler said:
To quote The Producers, "they try, man how they try."
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Teaching ID is a problem because conflicts with science. But not sure where the outrage is here? So I'm a local school board, I put together an elective curriculum on Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Done. AZ went out of its way to ban ethnic studies. I happen to look at things differently than the 'lets discourage what kids can learn because I don't like it' crowd.

The crime is not about letting kids have options in learning...the crime is about not funding those opportunities.
 
5mn_Major said:
Teaching ID is a problem because conflicts with science. But not sure where the outrage is here? So I'm a local school board, I put together an elective curriculum on Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Done. AZ went out of its way to ban ethnic studies. I happen to look at things differently than the 'lets discourage what kids can learn because I don't like it' crowd.

The crime is not about letting kids have options in learning...the crime is about not funding those opportunities.
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Balance. But nobody wants balance anymore. It's all or nothing (both ways). Stinks. But we keep electing the fringes not the middle.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Teaching ID is a problem because conflicts with science. But not sure where the outrage is here? So I'm a local school board, I put together an elective curriculum on Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Done. AZ went out of its way to ban ethnic studies. I happen to look at things differently than the 'lets discourage what kids can learn because I don't like it' crowd.

The crime is not about letting kids have options in learning...the crime is about not funding those opportunities.
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Yes, but did it cover Jainism? Buddhism? Wicca? Traditional African Religions? Pantheism? Agnosticism? Atheism?

If you aren't going to teach them all in public schools, then you can't teach any of them. To do otherwise, is to establish that only the religious beliefs being taught are "acceptable" to American society and the federal government. Therefore, it is unconstitutional.

This is why religious instruction is best left to the parental or guardian units.
 
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Because everybody knows what the knuck states are doing when they add the Bible to the curriculum, or when they try to make the Bible the state book.

These measures have zippo to do with learning. They are craven pols pandering to the mouthbreathers for votes. It's all just a way to get around Engel v. Vitale.

Myths are great, but they're all equally true, so we keep them out of the public sphere or we invite them all in.
 
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