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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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Kepler said:
Interesting. Read the whole thing, but the tl; dr is McConnell, Paul, Cruz and Cornyn seem to be on board with a complete end run where they pass an intentionally anodyne, non-implementable gimmick just to get to conference committee. The real decisions -- the ones that actually will force them to deal with the hard stuff -- will then be postponed until conference committee, so they can announce with fanfare that they've passed a Senate version even though they haven't actually accomplished anything.

They'll still have to face all the hard work they ought to have been doing now, but they'll have kicked the can down the road just a little farther, and they'll have cleared the docket so they can get to the Great Treasury Robbery of their tax cut.
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Stalling is an even worse idea because it prolongs the story. The only way this was going to work was to get it through fast the longer they delay the more people learn and get mad.
 
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Kepler said:
It's not weird, it's the standard way a legislature works. You make a motion to proceed to bring the bill to the floor for a vote. It's loading the chamber before you can fire the gun, or moving to the line of scrimmage before snapping the ball.
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Sure, and that's fine. It's just more wimpiness from our representatives in Congress. They avoid votes on things entirely by preventing them from coming to the floor in the first place.

Handyman said:
Stalling is an even worse idea because it prolongs the story. The only way this was going to work was to get it through fast the longer they delay the more people learn and get mad.
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True, but it allows them to move on to tax cuts for the rich.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
True, but it allows them to move on to tax cuts for the rich.
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I am not sure it does...this isnt going away just because they pass a piece of crap legislation because they then need to deal with it in committee. They wont get to move on to Tax Cuts until they pass this completely.
 
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Handyman said:
I am not sure it does...this isnt going away just because they pass a piece of crap legislation because they then need to deal with it in committee. They wont get to move on to Tax Cuts until they pass this completely.
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We'll see. If they let this languish in committee and fast track the tax cuts they might be able to pull it off.
 
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It's on. Turtle Boy has started the process of destroying Health Care. Many places to watch live. Facebook, Youtube, CSPAN.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's on. Turtle Boy has started the process of destroying Health Care. Many places to watch live. Facebook, Youtube, CSPAN.
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No: Collins.
Yes: Capito, Cruz, Heller, Portman, Paul.
No comment yet: Johnson, Moran, Murkowski, Lee.

Motion to proceed will pass
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We'll see. If they let this languish in committee and fast track the tax cuts they might be able to pull it off.
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My understanding is they can't pass the tax cuts by reconciliation if they have not already passed the Medicaid cuts, because to use reconciliation you have to be revenue neutral and the cuts offset the giveaway of revenue to the rich.

This is cutting poor people's health insurance to give the super rich more money. That's all this is. But if they do the latter without the former they will need 60 votes. The only way around that is if they change cloture on everything to 50+, and a large majority of Senators of both parties are against that.
 
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Kepler said:
My understanding is they can't pass the tax cuts by reconciliation if they have not already passed the Medicaid cuts, because to use reconciliation you have to be revenue neutral and the cuts offset the giveaway of revenue to the rich.

This is cutting poor people's health insurance to give the super rich more money. That's all this is. But if they do the latter without the former they will need 60 votes. The only way around that is if they change cloture on everything to 50+, and a large majority of Senators of both parties are against that.
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That's true. You're correct. My bad.

I can't believe this passed to the floor. Holy Crap.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

If you're all wondering what happens after conference committee, I was too.

Most times, the conference committee produces a conference report melding the work of the House and Senate into a final version of the bill. A conference report proposes legislative language as an amendment to the bill committed to conference. The conference report also includes a joint explanatory statement of the conference committee. This statement provides one of the best sources of legislative history on the bill. Chief Justice William Rehnquist once observed that the joint conference report of both Houses of Congress is considered highly reliable legislative history when interpreting a statute.

Once a bill has been passed by a conference committee, it goes directly to the floor of both houses for a vote, and is not open to further amendment. In the first house to consider the conference report, a Member may move to recommit the bill to the conference committee. But once the first house has passed the conference report, the conference committee is dissolved, and the second house to act can no longer recommit the bill to conference.

Conference reports are privileged. In the Senate, a motion to proceed to a conference report is not debatable, although Senators can generally filibuster the conference report itself. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 limits debate on conference reports on budget resolutions and budget reconciliation bills to ten hours in the Senate, so Senators cannot filibuster those conference reports.
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They are doing all this under reconciliation to avoid the 60. That was what eventually killed the Senate version; the Parliamentarian found about a dozen violations of the reconciliation criteria. So they have to somehow come up with a bill that will pass the moderates in the Senate, the nutbars in the House, and still stay under reconciliation according to the Parliamentarian, and cut enough people from health insurance to pay for their tax cut for the rich which is the only purpose of this whole charade, all in the teeth of enormous public opposition and in the shadow of the drunkard's walk of Trump.

Good luck.
 
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Is the current motion to process for proceed to debate or proceed to vote?
 
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Kepler said:
If you're all wondering what happens after conference committee, I was too.



They are doing all this under reconciliation to avoid the 60. That was what eventually killed the Senate version; the Parliamentarian found about a dozen violations of the reconciliation criteria. So they have to somehow come up with a bill that will pass the moderates in the Senate, the nutbars in the House, and still stay under reconciliation according to the Parliamentarian, and cut enough people from health insurance to pay for their tax cut for the rich which is the only purpose of this whole charade, all in the teeth of enormous public opposition and in the shadow of the drunkard's walk of Trump.

Good luck.
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..or they cut out the Parliamentarian
 
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French Rage said:
Is the current motion to process for proceed to debate or proceed to vote?
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My understanding is it's a motion to proceed to consider, which means debate. Under reconciliation cloture is triggered automatically after ten hours of debate after which they proceed directly to the vote, so this is the equivalent of passing the bill unless somebody actually changes their vote during the debate which doesn't happen because nobody in the history of any legislature has ever listened to the debate, even when they themselves are speaking. That's strictly a show for the rubes. The cynical threats and bribes, er, I mean intellectually and morally robust negotiations have already happened by the time of the motion to proceed.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Proceed to debate I believe. They said they would allow amendments, etc. We'll see.
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The amendment schedule is controlled by the majority leadership -- they'll only allow votes on what they want. The only real power the minority has is the threat of filibuster which is nullified under reconciliation.
 
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Kepler said:
The amendment schedule is controlled by the majority leadership -- they'll only allow votes on what they want. The only real power the minority has is the threat of filibuster which is nullified under reconciliation.
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Well, then they lied which is going to make what they do interesting.
 
Kepler said:
If you're all wondering what happens after conference committee, I was too.



They are doing all this under reconciliation to avoid the 60. That was what eventually killed the Senate version; the Parliamentarian found about a dozen violations of the reconciliation criteria. So they have to somehow come up with a bill that will pass the moderates in the Senate, the nutbars in the House, and still stay under reconciliation according to the Parliamentarian, and cut enough people from health insurance to pay for their tax cut for the rich which is the only purpose of this whole charade, all in the teeth of enormous public opposition and in the shadow of the drunkard's walk of Trump.

Good luck.
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Wasn't PPACA passed under reconciliation under a straight party line vote?
 
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Kepler said:
My understanding is it's a motion to proceed to consider, which means debate. Under reconciliation cloture is triggered automatically after ten hours of debate after which they proceed directly to the vote, so this is the equivalent of passing the bill unless somebody actually changes their vote during the debate which doesn't happen because nobody in the history of any legislature has ever listened to the debate, even when they themselves are speaking. That's strictly a show for the rubes. The cynical threats and bribes, er, I mean intellectually and morally robust negotiations have already happened by the time of the motion to proceed.
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I thought a lot of didn't pass reconciliation rules though?
 
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John McCain is saying on the floor that he WILL NOT VOTE for the bill as proposed. That should kill it.
 
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