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The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

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Rover said:
How do you propose we get people to participate? Mind control?
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Dumb them down by putting fluoride in the water and womanizing them by adding chemicals to the food to enhance estrogen. Oh wait...
 
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jerphisch said:
So to be clear, you need profit as a motivation otherwise people will only care about profit?

You do realize there are very effective non-profits that deliver based on peoples belief in their mission and desire to fulfill it? (In addition to them still getting paid to do a good job)
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I'm not saying profit is the only motivator: competition is the best motivator. One way that we commonly measure the results of competition is by using profits, there are other measures as well that can be used for the basis of competition.

You do realize that electric companies and gas companies tend to be private companies, regulated monopolies, rather than run by governments, right? Why would that be the case? Maybe because government knows it lacks the requisite expertise? or perhaps because governments tried to run them at one time and found that having private companies run them merely happened to deliver better quality and value to the customers at lower cost, while providing an incentive to those companies to continue innovating to upgrade their technology?


Right now, many medical practices won't accept Medicaid patients. and you want that to spread that practice even further???
 
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Lacks the requisite expertise? Your entire post treats the government as a person who can't hire or learn. If the government wanted to run the power companies, they would hire the people necessary.
 
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FreshFish said:
You do realize that electric companies and gas companies tend to be private companies, regulated monopolies, rather than run by governments, right? Why would that be the case?
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Because it just happened that way. Because private companies began offering these services to people with enough disposable income for luxuries like electric lights and gas stoves, as they grew, consolidated, and became powerful monopolies they started ****ing over consumers so the Government had to step in and regulate them.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Lacks the requisite expertise? Your entire post treats the government as a person who can't hire or learn. If the government wanted to run the power companies, they would hire the people necessary.
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It's as if he never heard of the Tennessee Valley Authority
 
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jerphisch said:
Or Colorado Springs Utilities, or a very long list of others around the country.
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In Maine, the towns with the cheapest electricity tend to be ones with municipal utilities. (except for some of the small island communities that rely on diesel generators. some of those have been installing wind turbines to supplement, or selling out their power co-ops to one of the two main utility companies in the state so they can install undersea cables to deliver power, downside is they lose most or all of their local workers so linesmen have to be brought in by ferry to do maintenance)
 
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Stop making up facts. They aren't even alternate facts.
 
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My opinion is that for specialized fields that can operate their market effectively, private organizations are the best choice. Energy is one area where it seems to work. Energy organizations have quite a bit of strategic head room and so can offer more creative solutions. Energy organizations also can get into R&D and help to develop solutions for the future. If you're a progressive, private enterprise are just better for innovation. Government run organizations are most effective where strict continued management is more important or the marketplace can't provide goods and services to those who need it - see education.

There is something clearly wrong in health care management. Too much of its run by middle men - health insurance - that don't allow services for higher cost customers. At minimum, there needs considerable more regulation. This is a rare case where the government may need to step and take over basic insurance plans to make sure the market gets served
 
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Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
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While that's a good point, I would say that those are all technology/scientific achievements. The one with consumer application was the internet. And private enterprise was the group that got consumption value out of it - government could never have created even a small amount of what's been achieved by business.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
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The US government had no specific agenda to create the internet. It was created back in the 60's by professors for the express reason that they wanted to more quickly exchange research data. The fact that they worked for publicly financed universities is a side note. The government then found out what these professors were doing, and realized the military applications, funded its development even further which led to ARPANET in the 80's.
 
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So public schools?
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Yes, public schools. Like I said, the development of the internet was not the government's intent. The professors were acting independently of any sort of stated objective. They had a desire to more efficiently share research.
 
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Yes, public schools. Like I said, the development of the internet was not the government's intent. The professors were acting independently of any sort of stated objective. They had a desire to more efficiently share research.
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THat's irrelevant. Things like Post-Its were discovered by accident. Hell, much of what seems to be some of 3M's biggest hits were discovered by accident.
 
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