The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[geezer]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

If you'd be so kind as to post a link to the promise of a "People's Paradise" I'd be appreciative. However, I won't hold my breath.

That was a jab at Obama's supposed "socialist ideals" using the language of the old Marxists of the Cold War era.

 

[Rover]

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That was a jab at Obama's supposed "socialist ideals" using the language of the old Marxists of the Cold War era.

That's cool, but you really shouldn't get Opie/Fishy/Flaggys hopes up like that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The success / failure of PPACA will be to get the healthy young people to sign up to finance the health care cost of the sick / elderly / infirm. If the healthy do not sign up, PPACA will fiscally collapse.

Or, to put it in a different way, if I was offering tornado insurance, and only people in Oklahoma signed up, there is a good possibility I'd go bankrupt. I need people in Alaska and Hawaii to sign up to offset the costs. But, if there are little or no tornadoes in Alaska and Hawaii, why should the good folks of the 49th and 50th states sign up for tornado insurance?

Then they'll pay the penalty whereas before they'd pay nothing. You want to find an unfunded program then start looking at Medicare Prescription "D". This one isn't it.

 

[FreshFish]

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I'm assuming that everyone who posts here watches sports.

How is it that some people here are asking us to believe that no one on the team they support ever makes a bad play, and no one on the other team ever makes a good play?

How lucky for you that your team never once has a bad game and none of their players ever do anything wrong!


Now, some people might think such a viewpoint would also make you seriously deranged.....

 

[Rover]

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How is it that some people here are asking us to believe that no one on the team they support ever makes a bad play, and no one on the other team ever makes a good play?

Who's saying that Fishy? This wouldn't be a 'straw man' argument, would it?

 

[St. Clown]

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I'm assuming that everyone who posts here watches sports.

How is it that some people here are asking us to believe that no one on the team they support ever makes a bad play, and no one on the other team ever makes a good play?

How lucky for you that your team never once has a bad game and none of their players ever do anything wrong!


Now, some people might think such a viewpoint would also make you seriously deranged.....

Because for a lot of people politics are held as closely to the chest as their religion. If that person's on their side, they'll find all sort of logical machinations to justify some bad decisions made.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Because for a lot of people politics are held as closely to the chest as their religion. If that person's on their side, they'll find all sort of logical machinations to justify some bad decisions made.

And when they can't find a logical explanation, they'll make up their own logic, despite fallacies, and call you names if you don't believe.

 

[walrus]

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So now I'm hearing 90 to 120 million won't be able to keep their insurance, thats a few more than folks who buy their insurance outright. Looks like company plans are now going under the knife. I guess if you like your plan you won't be able to keep it PERIOD. Whats Obamas approval rating now? 30%,

 

[Rover]

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So now I'm hearing 90 to 120 million won't be able to keep their insurance, thats a few more than folks who buy their insurance outright. Looks like company plans are now going under the knife. I guess if you like your plan you won't be able to keep it PERIOD. Whats Obamas approval rating now? 30%,

Ummm.....don't companies change their policies all the time anyway, and had done so long before the ACA went into effect? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening every year for...oh, since I joined the work force 20 years ago...

 

[unofan]

So now I'm hearing 90 to 120 million won't be able to keep their insurance, thats a few more than folks who buy their insurance outright.,

Citation needed.

 

[walrus]

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Citation needed.

I heard it on the radio but a quick google search came
up with this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...e-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

 

[walrus]

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Ummm.....don't companies change their policies all the time anyway, and had done so long before the ACA went into effect? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening every year for...oh, since I joined the work force 20 years ago...

Of course they do,, whats that have to do with Obama not telling the truth?

 

[Rover]

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Of course they do,, whats that have to do with Obama not telling the truth?

Wasn't Obama making his statement in the context of the ACA? Isn't this like you blaming Obama if your employer went out of business, and therefore stopped being able to offer health insurance?

 

[Handyman]

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Jesus I hate the ACA but even I acknowledge you have to give it a little time to see if it works. You know things normalize after a while sometimes if you just give them more than 2 seconds to do so...

And I repeat, I have hated the ACA since the day it was put forth. (if I wanted Bob Dole's plan from 1996 I would have voted Republican) If only people pretended to care this much when we were lied to previously maybe thousands of lives wouldnt have been lost in pointless wars and our vets wouldnt be getting bent over a barrel.

 

[walrus]

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Wasn't Obama making his statement in the context of the ACA? Isn't this like you blaming Obama if your employer went out of business, and therefore stopped being able to offer health insurance?

Jay Carney is that you He said, if you like your current plan, you can keep it, PERIOD. That seems pretty simple, even a drunken BU grad should understand it

 

[Rover]

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Jay Carney is that you He said, if you like your current plan, you can keep it, PERIOD. That seems pretty simple, even a drunken BU grad should understand it

I don't mind arguments like yours, because they basically count on playing the American people for suckers. I doubt anybody seriously thought Obama meant your policy from your employer wouldn't change. It was more if you like to keep your policy at work you can, which is by and large true. The problem with knuckledragging is it makes stupid arguments like this and then expects the public to go along, and when they don't you guys get flabbergasted. Back during the whole Clinton impeachment debacle, his 75% approval ratings didn't come from a great love of the guy, it came from a sense of fairness, as in the righties were starting to look ridiculous in their opposition. Same thing here with Death Panels and other nonsense. Think of it this way - about the the only Republican who won last night was Chris Christie...a guy who signed on to expanding Medicare under the ACA!

 

[joecct]

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I keep asking if the 27 - 35 healthy singles don't sign up, won't ACA be a financial ruin?

Fines (oops taxes) are not going to close the gap.

 

[LynahFan]

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While CNBC is a cheerleader of anti-ACA coverage, they did have a good article about how some employers are blaming 5-7% increases in premiums on Obamacare.....even though that's been the norm for the last decade! Pretty funny.

Ummm.....don't companies change their policies all the time anyway, and had done so long before the ACA went into effect? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening every year for...oh, since I joined the work force 20 years ago...

Is that rumbling sound I'm hearing due to the goalposts moving? I thought Obamacare was supposed to "bend the cost curve" (not allow premiums to keep increasing at historical rates) and to ensure that "people who like their plans can keep them" (instead of requiring insurers to change millions of current plans).

Tell me: did you think 41 actually meant, "no new taxes" or was that, too, merely metaphorical without any meaning?

 

[Rover]

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Is that rumbling sound I'm hearing due to the goalposts moving? I thought Obamacare was supposed to "bend the cost curve" (not allow premiums to keep increasing at historical rates) and to ensure that "people who like their plans can keep them" (instead of requiring insurers to change millions of current plans).

Tell me: did you think 41 actually meant, "no new taxes" or was that, too, merely metaphorical without any meaning?

It has bent the cost curve as we're gone from 9% a year increases to 4% in health care costs, so check on that one.

If you like your plan, you can keep it does not mean your plan won't change from time to time. It means you can keep getting your plan from the same place (presumably your employer). Not 100% correct obviously, but only an idiot would take that to mean that your plans offered to you by your employer would stay exactly the same from now until the end of time. Anybody who can't see that difference has larger issues.

 

[goldy_331]

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I wonder what the definition of "is" is?