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The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

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brookyone said:
You're not surprised by what exactly? Your like a broken record...coming from someone this, coming from someone that. Quick change to abortion. How did that happen. 100% of your posts regarding anything healthcare comes from someone who doesn't know jack of what he speaks. Waiting for your expert, informed commentary on the organ transplant and patients waiting topics. :rolleyes:

We should have a Republican judge outlawing and forbidding all abortions I suppose. Your bull**** stinks up the joint.
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This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You spend your time foaming at the mouth with all of this, and the second some dissent shows up, especially dissent that shows obvious flaws in your plans, you go ape. At this point I could care less about political parties. Learn to take some responsibility for your actions and stop being such a damsel in distress begging mommy and daddy government for everything, and then throwing a fit either in post or in rep when you don't get your way.

You want my "expert, informed commentary on the organ transplant and patients waiting topics"? Who asked for the transplant first? And if it was relatively the same time, who was willing to pay the higher price?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Learn to take some responsibility for your actions and stop being such a damsel in distress begging mommy and daddy government for everything, and then throwing a fit either in post or in rep when you don't get your way.
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What personal actions have I not taken responsibility for genius? Let's have more of your informed, knowledgeable input. Then by all means continue with details of what I've begged from mommy and daddy government. Can't wait to hear it. What exactly does this little girls need for a lung have to do with me getting my way?

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You want my "expert, informed commentary on the organ transplant and patients waiting topics"? Who asked for the transplant first? And if it was relatively the same time, who was willing to pay the higher price?
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Your "intelligent" questions are proof beyond any possible doubt you know zero about organ transplant and distribution protocol. You're a major league fraud.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
This already happens. Ailing celebrities have been bumped to the top of the transplant lists for many years.
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Yes, but in this case, neither was the preventing factor. In this case, it's a government entity saying who can and cannot live, instead of going to the highest bidder.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Yes, but in this case, neither was the preventing factor. In this case, it's a government entity saying who can and cannot live, instead of going to the highest bidder.
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No. Simply 100% false, as was the same premise presented by "journalist" Kristin Tate in the "Mr.Conservative" publication. A "trustworthy" source of "accuracy" and "fact" minus a purposeful agenda to be sure. :rolleyes: It was a case of a government entity not superseding the authority of the transplant staff, intervening in long standing transplant and organ distribution protocol and policy...all of which is based on qualified, sound medical knowledge, research and the experience of every transplant ever performed, including the documented results. A government entity not intervening into the medical decision of the medical staff. Strangely completely acceptable when perpetrated by a Republican judge.

What it was...a transplant center and staff that knows what it's doing, knows a thing or two about the real factors of transplant success potential and factors for increased failure potential. Now superseded by a Republican judge who I'm confident has very little medical knowledge, if any. Make no mistake, a judge deciding who can and cannot live. A judge who, should Miss Murnaghan receive her adult lung, has sentenced another to death. Make no mistake, someone who could have lived via the lung Miss Murnaghan may now receive, will die. I hope and pray this young lady gets the lung she needs, survives and lives well long term.

There was no discriminatory factor present as ridiculously claimed by the attorney. Sarah Murnaghan's case was subject to precisely the same policies and guidelines as any other patient her age needing a transplant. BTW, you might want to research the increased risk to CF patients as a result of receiving a lung graft and required immunosuppression. The risk of complications and increased risk of death. In addition to the increased risk an adult lung presents. I assure you the transplant staff is up to speed. I'll bet the judge is not.

Larry Hagman, Mickey Mantle, John Phillips & David Crosby are examples of pure favoritism and corruption of transplant protocol per celebrity. Favoritism and ignoring factors that would assuredly wash the average, non-celebrity transplant candidate right out of eligibility. An investigation of any history (and current) drug and alcohol use is a part of every transplant workup. Not in these cases apparently. Those four destroyed their own livers with lifelong substance and alcohol abuse. Many were of the opinion they should have not received the preferential treatment they did. Myself included. Phillips for one, went back to using and drinking for a time after his transplant. Really appreciated the gift of life he received eh?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/alcoholics-liver-transplants_n_1086210.html
 
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...and an excellent piece on corporate shenanigans, fraud that is a major contributor to out of control healthcare and health insurance costs. If you take the time to watch pay special attention to the HMA executive lying POS interviewed for the story per the CEO running and hiding. Yeah...merely "disgruntled employees" and nothing more. :rolleyes:

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joecct said:
Except the OTHER party steamrolled the passage. When you get 0 votes of the opposition, perhaps it is time to rethink things. However, the Dems were heady with power (just as the GOP was) and decided that if they had the keys, the car was going where they wanted to go, and never mind the gang in the back.

Now, perhaps in reflection, the direction taken was not the best, but it is tough to admit you made a mistake.
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You get zero opposition votes because the opposition are all crazed partisans. Clinton's budget balancing actions also got zero Republican votes and time has proven the wisdom of those actions. You have to stop slavishly obeying everything right wingers tell you. If there's one repeated mantra out of your generation (those aged from the last 50's to early 70's) its that none of you listen to right wing media...yet amazingly you all regurgitate its talking points at the drop of a hat. Pretty interesting, since you know, you never listen to that stuff... :rolleyes:

Good article on the subject:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113407/gop-obamacare-strategy-dooming-republican-party
 
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Rover said:
You get zero opposition votes because the opposition are all crazed partisans. Clinton's budget balancing actions also got zero Republican votes and time has proven the wisdom of those actions. You have to stop slavishly obeying everything right wingers tell you. If there's one repeated mantra out of your generation (those aged from the last 50's to early 70's) its that none of you listen to right wing media...yet amazingly you all regurgitate its talking points at the drop of a hat. Pretty interesting, since you know, you never listen to that stuff... :rolleyes:

Good article on the subject:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113407/gop-obamacare-strategy-dooming-republican-party
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If you say that we are regurgitating their points, you must have enough knowledge on the subject that you actually listen to talk radio. Are you one of those right-wing-watchers, or just a troll? ;)

The left has proven time and time again that they are the creators of political division in this country. The clear indicator of this, to me, is the War on Terror. Did you ever notice how they wanted to stop it until they got into power? Something tells me that they are obsessed with celebrity culture and want to make sure that their names are in the history books. The worst part of it, though, is that the GOP buys into it and does the exact same thing. Now you know why I say that there's no difference between the two parties.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
If you say that we are regurgitating their points, you must have enough knowledge on the subject that you actually listen to talk radio. Are you one of those right-wing-watchers, or just a troll? ;)

The left has proven time and time again that they are the creators of political division in this country. The clear indicator of this, to me, is the War on Terror. Did you ever notice how they wanted to stop it until they got into power? Something tells me that they are obsessed with celebrity culture and want to make sure that their names are in the history books. The worst part of it, though, is that the GOP buys into it and does the exact same thing. Now you know why I say that there's no difference between the two parties.
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I often listen to right wing talk radio to laugh my @ ss off. I have to say I'm rarely disappointed. I generally catch the evening yackers though so I don't catch whoever does their schtick to the layabouts during the day as I'm at work. :D

But to your point what completely disproves it is that the Patriot Act did have bipartisan votes for all its faults. What people like joecct and perhaps yourself won't admit is that the current GOP congress is dedicated to obstructionism at all costs (like a default of US debt). This is unprecedented but not without cost as the Republican brand now has the popularity of telemarketers and used car salesmen.
 
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Rover said:
I often listen to right wing talk radio to laugh my @ ss off. I have to say I'm rarely disappointed. I generally catch the evening yackers though so I don't catch whoever does their schtick to the layabouts during the day as I'm at work. :D

But to your point what completely disproves it is that the Patriot Act did have bipartisan votes for all its faults. What people like joecct and perhaps yourself won't admit is that the current GOP congress is dedicated to obstructionism at all costs (like a default of US debt). This is unprecedented but not without cost as the Republican brand now has the popularity of telemarketers and used car salesmen.
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Try reading the second-to-last sentence of the last paragraph of my previous post again. ;)
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Try reading the second-to-last sentence of the last paragraph of my previous post again. ;)
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I did, but I'll disprove you even further. Obama has halted torture and stopped sending people to Gitmo. He's also pulled the US out of Iraq and is drawing down in Afghanistan. This is a signficant difference to what we would have gotten out of a Bush admin's third or fourth term (which you secretly pine for ;)). So, saying Obama has the same approach to the War on Terror is both intellectually dishonest and lazy.
 
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Rover said:
I did, but I'll disprove you even further. Obama has halted torture and stopped sending people to Gitmo. He's also pulled the US out of Iraq and is drawing down in Afghanistan. This is a signficant difference to what we would have gotten out of a Bush admin's third or fourth term (which you secretly pine for ;)). So, saying Obama has the same approach to the War on Terror is both intellectually dishonest and lazy.
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I hate Bush, but I'm going to keep SoD Gates. I want Gitmo closed, so I'm going to keep it open. All of the troops should be coming home, so I'm just going to leave them out there for five more years including doing a Terran B-B so we can stay there even longer. I hate corporations, so I'm going to make sure the head of Raytheon is deciding what everything is done defense wise.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
I hate Bush, but I'm going to keep SoD Gates. I want Gitmo closed, so I'm going to keep it open. All of the troops should be coming home, so I'm just going to leave them out there for five more years including doing a Terran B-B so we can stay there even longer. I hate corporations, so I'm going to make sure the head of Raytheon is deciding what everything is done defense wise.
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As usual none of your rant makes any sense. But that's cool. ;) I'm sure you'll get you wish and see the libertarian Rand Paul as the 2016 GOP nominee. Just make sure to turn off your TV set the morning of election day so you don't have to see him give his concession speech which should delivered around lunchtime. :D
 
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unofun said:
Ah yes. Both sides are bad.
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You and I agree up to this point. I have no clue why you would then append any conclusion other than:

"both sides are bad, and so either (a) vote against the incumbent, it's time to clean house!, or (b) don't vote for a party affiliation, vote for a person (if available) in whom you have a modicum of confidence, or (c) become involved personally to advocate for what you believe (beyond posting on an internet message board)."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I hate Bush, but I'm going to keep SoD Gates. I want Gitmo closed, so I'm going to keep it open. All of the troops should be coming home, so I'm just going to leave them out there for five more years including doing a Terran B-B so we can stay there even longer. I hate corporations, so I'm going to make sure the head of Raytheon is deciding what everything is done defense wise.
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I see there's some real good mood altering chemicals on Black Helicoptors these days. Wow.
 
FreshFish said:
You and I agree up to this point. I have no clue why you would then append any conclusion...
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Of course you don't. You have absolutely no idea how anyone gets the impression that you're a Fark Independent (tm). Ignorance really is bliss.
 
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