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The PPACA - Implementation Phase I
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Its all he has left!
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
unofan
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So its a story about corporate vs affiliate control? While stupid on the part of the national office, I guess I'm not seeing why it's worthy of outrage. Or what it has to do with the ACA.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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Not sure either. Just providing a source. There was a previous discussion in SCOTUS about PP being able to derive significant revenue from providing abortions. What that has to do with PPACA is beyond me.
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PPACA gives the Secretary of HHS extraordinary arbitrary powers, and PPACA also sets up the 15-member "advisory board" (IIRC, not subject to Congressional approval) and gives them tremendous arbitrary power as well.
If you don't like your insurance company, you can try to find another one. if you don't like PPACA, well, welcome to your daily prostate exam!
PPACA gives the Secretary of HHS extraordinary arbitrary powers, and PPACA also sets up the 15-member "advisory board" (IIRC, not subject to Congressional approval) and gives them tremendous arbitrary power as well.
If you don't like your insurance company, you can try to find another one. if you don't like PPACA, well, welcome to your daily prostate exam!
unofan
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Wow...talk about your non sequiturs
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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I think unofan just once again proved why he's on my ignore list.
I think unofan just once again proved why he's on my ignore list.
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Hmmm....PPACA was passed a few years ago....then I thought we had an election recently which gave the voters the opportunity to render ultimate judgement on the effort...
How did that go again? The basic premise of conservatism in late 2012 seems to be that everybody else is stupid and if they only knew what was in the law they'd be taking to the streets with pitchforks and torches. Did you ever stop and think that maybe people do in fact want to work with the new law, and about 20% of those disapproving of it are because they don't think it went far enough?
Just, you know, food for thought given recent events.
Hmmm....PPACA was passed a few years ago....then I thought we had an election recently which gave the voters the opportunity to render ultimate judgement on the effort...
How did that go again? The basic premise of conservatism in late 2012 seems to be that everybody else is stupid and if they only knew what was in the law they'd be taking to the streets with pitchforks and torches. Did you ever stop and think that maybe people do in fact want to work with the new law, and about 20% of those disapproving of it are because they don't think it went far enough?
Just, you know, food for thought given recent events.
unofan
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Because I don't read things posted on a site that still sells books about Obama's birth certificate? I guess you are hoping to live in an echo chamber.
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There were some smarts in the ACA legislation, like deferring most of the pain until after the 2012 election the 2014 congressionals. ACA seems like a good idea on paper, but I strongly believe that the American public was allowed only to see the tip of the iceberg. It's the hidden stuff you don't know is there until you actually come across it that is the killer.
My thoughts are always that if anything needs fixing, just fix it and go from there. What drives me nuts is the need of some people, particularly if they're elected officials, of relitigating an issue that's already been decided. Its the law, so work with it but don't waste time denying that the law will take effect. I would be like if Fishy was a governor somewhere, refusing to do anything because of some ridiculous notion that conservatives will find a way to overturn the law even though they just got pasted in the last election and the SCOTUS upheld it. You and I debating this is fun and worthwhile but it ends there. Having idiots actually making decisions in govt with the same "I don't like it so I'm not going to do anything like a spoiled brat" is a lot more problematic.
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But liberals are more like to go to court than to trust the legislature to get what they want.
The conscious clause (or lack thereof) needs to be heard.
But liberals are more like to go to court than to trust the legislature to get what they want.
I would say that's true of older liberals from an earlier era. With an activist court from the 50's to the 70's I can see how liberals came to rely on court action to achieve what they wanted. In my lifetime I felt they got very lazy relying on this really up until the late 90's-early 2000's.
However, for those of us younger than that, having seen the courts not reign in the approximately 1 billion lawsuits against the Clinton admin from pretty much every righty org in the country and then onto Bush v Gore, I don't get the sense that's true anymore. We'd rather go through legislation with one exception, gay marriage, and even that tact is changing. Recall that the PPACA effort was a herculean task to get through Congress.
Foxton
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No it wasn't! Don't you remember your revised history? They rammed that through like Clinton into an intern!
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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A shinning example of bipartisanship at it's finest.
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That mistake by Reps will haunt us for a long time. By only trying to delay until they could take control of the house in '10, they gave no input and we got stuck with this unknown and unpredictable bill.
That mistake by Reps will haunt us for a long time. By only trying to delay until they could take control of the house in '10, they gave no input and we got stuck with this unknown and unpredictable bill.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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That's because they're more worried about their image than they are executing ideas.
That's because they're more worried about their image than they are executing ideas.
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Apparently Harry can kill the filibuster by a simple majority vote at the first session of the 112th Congress. The Senate votes to suspend the rules via a majority vote (rules say 2/3 to kill the filibuster), then passes the kill with a simple majority vote. That's going to go over well. The Senate, which is in gridlock now, is going to look like an LA freeway in rush hour. Nothing is getting through b/c there will be no more unanimous consents. Think, Harry, think (if he can).
Will that consequence be MORE executive orders (government by decree)?
That's not the way to run a railroad, even a high speed one.
If a bill is so bad that it can't get a single vote from the minority, it should cause the majority to think that maybe it's not a good bill after all.
Apparently Harry can kill the filibuster by a simple majority vote at the first session of the 112th Congress. The Senate votes to suspend the rules via a majority vote (rules say 2/3 to kill the filibuster), then passes the kill with a simple majority vote. That's going to go over well. The Senate, which is in gridlock now, is going to look like an LA freeway in rush hour. Nothing is getting through b/c there will be no more unanimous consents. Think, Harry, think (if he can).
Will that consequence be MORE executive orders (government by decree)?
That's not the way to run a railroad, even a high speed one.
Foxton
Banned
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Maybe if the minority had said why it was so bad instead of how it was the socialism, nazi-america, end of capitalism, killing old people, that minority might have gotten listened to. Or if the minority leader hadn't given up the game and admitted that their top priority was to ensure Obama only had one term.
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