The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I admire her faith.

Lots of lefty websites are claiming she's been married four times, so if that's true, then Kim Davis is not exactly a poster child for "traditional" marriage. Interestingly, none of the MSM has picked up that tidbit, which has me wondering if it's true or not.

 

[St. Clown]

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Lots of lefty websites are claiming she's been married four times, so if that's true, then Kim Davis is not exactly a poster child for "traditional" marriage. Interestingly, none of the MSM has picked up that tidbit, which has me wondering if it's true or not.

What's the line? "The Bible discusses a ban on homosexuality all of two times, but mentions a ban on divorce eight times." Religious people want to make an issue out of one ban that receives less attention than the other because the one they're ignoring is the one that could impact their lives the most.

 

[GrinCDXX]

We ARE supposed to evangelize and witness by our actions. She is not imposing her beliefs IMO. She believes that if she issues SSM licences she is aiding an immoral act. Ok. Fine. Now decide. Her only option now is to be dismissed with prejudice or quit.

OK, but she hasn't quit--that's the point. She isn't refusing to issue licenses she finds immoral, she is refusing to allow those licenses to be issued at all. I don't know how you can possibly argue that that doesn't amount to imposing her beliefs.

 

[LynahFan]

OK, but she hasn't quit--that's the point. She isn't refusing to issue licenses she finds immoral, she is refusing to allow those licenses to be issued at all. I don't know how you can possibly argue that that doesn't amount to imposing her beliefs.

Exactly.

Not getting gay married herself = exercising belief
Preventing others from getting gay married = imposing belief

Simple as that.

 

[MissThundercat]

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If she's fined, there will probably be a GoFundMe page up for her within minutes. The thought of it makes my skin crawl.

 

[joecct]

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If she's fined, there will probably be a GoFundMe page up for her within minutes. The thought of it makes my skin crawl.

Since she is employed by the county - fine the county as she is acting as their agent. They'll terminate her for cause.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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If she's fined, there will probably be a GoFundMe page up for her within minutes. The thought of it makes my skin crawl.

GoFundMe is chump change. She's thinking guest appearance schedule on Fox News, whirlwind cross-country campaign appearances, and a nice seven-figure book deal.

If the judge is smart he'll issue an injunction barring her from profiting off this. THEN you will see butthurt of epic proportions.

 

[unofan]

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Since she is employed by the county - fine the county as she is acting as their agent. They'll terminate her for cause.

They can't, she's elected. They've started the proceedings to get her charged by the state with official misconduct and/or impeached, but they can't fire her or they would've already.

 

[joecct]

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They can't, she's elected. They've started the proceedings to get her charged by the state with official misconduct and/or impeached, but they can't fire her or they would've already.

Who does the impeachment? We could have a case here of jury nullification.

 

[unofan]

Who does the impeachment? We could have a case here of jury nullification.

The legislature.

 

[burd]

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They can't, she's elected. They've started the proceedings to get her charged by the state with official misconduct and/or impeached, but they can't fire her or they would've already.

She knew all this going in.

 

[joecct]

The legislature.

And if the legislature disagrees with SCOTUS?

 

[unofan]

And if the legislature disagrees with SCOTUS?

Then they probably won't impeach? Is this a trick question or something?

The federal judge can fine/jail the shiat out of her, and eventually the state, though, if he deems it to be complicit in her misconductand the right lawsuit is filed. And so long as she refuses to do her job, any one who seeks a marriage license and gets denied can bring another suit against her.

In other words, it will get real expensive, real quick.

Assuming she continues to be a modern day George Wallace and doesn't take the honorable route of resigning, my understanding is the shortest route to getting her out of there is to convict her off official misconduct, a felony, which would disqualify her.

 

[joecct]

Then they probably won't impeach? Is this a trick question or something?

The federal judge can fine/jail the shiat out of her, and eventually the state, though, if he deems it to be complicit in her misconductand the right lawsuit is filed. And so long as she refuses to do her job, any one who seeks a marriage license and gets denied can bring another suit against her.

In other words, it will get real expensive, real quick.

Assuming she continues to be a modern day George Wallace and doesn't take the honorable route of resigning, my understanding is the shortest route to getting her out of there is to convict her off official misconduct, a felony, which would disqualify her.

Let's say

The legislature says she is not guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. The federal judge says you're fined. The state tells the judge where he can put his judgment. Stalemate. Constitutional crisis.

 

[geezer]

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I don't understand any excuse for someone keeping a job that they refuse to do. It's not principled, it's just stupid and attention-whoring. What if she took a job as a stripper and then said her religion requires her to keep her burka on at all times? Fine, quit calling yourself a stripper. Would it be admirable of her to insist on collecting her stripper's wage/tips in spite of the refusal to strip? No. It's a joke.

 

[unofan]

Let's say

The legislature says she is not guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. The federal judge says you're fined. The state tells the judge where he can put his judgment. Stalemate. Constitutional crisis.

Federal judge always wins. Kentucky can't ignore the judiciary anymore than Wallace did 50 years ago.

In the mythical hypothetical world where she takes it all the way to the supreme court on the merits and somehow gets cert granted and a full hearing, even Alito would vote against her because at this point it's not about her religion, it's about defying court orders. No judge is going to countenance that.

 

[joecct]

Federal judge always wins. Kentucky can't ignore the judiciary anymore than Wallace did 50 years ago.

I understand. Will the President send federal troops to Kentucky to enforce the order? That's what Ike and JFK had to do.

 

[unofan]

I understand. Will the President send federal troops to Kentucky to enforce the order? That's what Ike and JFK had to do.

He won't need to, because the state isn't going to go bankrupt over this.

The farthest this will possibly get is the judge throwing her in jail for contempt (which the US Marshals will happily do), and appointing someone from the office to take over as an acting clerk who will follow the law (likely not her son). She can then rot there till she agrees to do her job, resigns, or is forced out of office one way or the other, collecting fines the entire time.

 

[joecct]

He won't need to, because the state isn't going to go bankrupt over this.

The farthest this will possibly get is the judge throwing her in jail for contempt (which the US Marshals will happily do), and appointing someone from the office to take over as an acting clerk who will follow the law (likely not her son). She can then rot there till she agrees to do her job, resigns, or is forced out of office one way or the other, collecting fines the entire time.

You're supposing that the State will roll over. What if they say "Enough is enough!" and tell the Feds to pound sand?

 

[unofan]

You're supposing that the State will roll over. What if they say "Enough is enough!" and tell the Feds to pound sand?

The AG refused to defend her, and the current governor told every clerk to do their jobs or resign. What makes you think they'll stand up for her? There's a big difference between the legislature not impeaching, and being willing to go down with the ship.