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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

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unofan said:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/534/a-not-so-simple-majority

I dare anyone to listen to this episode of This American Life without getting severely ****ed off. And it doesn't involve Christians.
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Those guys are serious bad news. Off the charts amounts of spousal and child abuse, plus garden variety fraud and graft, all hiding under the cloak of religious faith. Every bit as bad as the fundy Mormon numbnuts out in AZ or the Muzzie fundies in the Middle East.

Their Brooklyn brethren are no better. And all these groups have Scientologists' litigation chops.

In a way though these guys are useful warnings to what a theocracy is really like. In short: hell on earth.
 
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St. Clown said:
I wouldn't say that. So far, Christians are the only ones with enough people in power to even try doing it.
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Exactly. There is nothing different or special about Christianity, it behaves like any religion that's been unchallenged at the top of the heap for centuries in a particular country. Power and privilege naturally leads to abuse, but it's not the Christianity of Christians that's led to their abusing their position and trampling all other faiths and non-faith, it's the pole position. Catholics got a taste of this when they moved from countries in which they were dominant to 19th century America where they faced widespread bigotry and discrimination. Obviously Muslims face it. That's the price you pay from moving from a position of dominator to dominated.

Even with the demographics changing the United States will be majority Christian for hundreds more years. The immigrants who are changing the racial makeup of the country are still primarily Christian, albeit Catholic (this is actually not a bad thing, since it may start to reverse the decline of intellectual standards that has accompanied the rise of evangelical factions in the US -- the Jesuits aren't saints, but I'd much prefer them on my school board than fundy nutbars).
 
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Kepler said:
Those guys are serious bad news. Off the charts amounts of spousal and child abuse, plus garden variety fraud and graft, all hiding under the cloak of religious faith. Every bit as bad as the fundy Mormon numbnuts out in AZ or the Muzzie fundies in the Middle East.

Their Brooklyn brethren are no better. And all these groups have Scientologists' litigation chops.

In a way though these guys are useful warnings to what a theocracy is really like. In short: hell on earth.
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Knowing lots of Mormons out here in AZ, your comparison of them to Muslim fundamentalists is grossly ignorant. If I was a liberal I'd trot out some phobia word, but I'll just leave it that you have little understanding of Mormons if you make such a comparison.
 
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Kepler said:
Exactly. There is nothing different or special about Christianity, it behaves like any religion that's been unchallenged at the top of the heap for centuries in a particular country. Power and privilege naturally leads to abuse, but it's not the Christianity of Christians that's led to their abusing their position and trampling all other faiths and non-faith, it's the pole position. Catholics got a taste of this when they moved from countries in which they were dominant to 19th century America where they faced widespread bigotry and discrimination. Obviously Muslims face it. That's the price you pay from moving from a position of dominator to dominated.

Even with the demographics changing the United States will be majority Christian for hundreds more years. The immigrants who are changing the racial makeup of the country are still primarily Christian, albeit Catholic (this is actually not a bad thing, since it may start to reverse the decline of intellectual standards that has accompanied the rise of evangelical factions in the US -- the Jesuits aren't saints, but I'd much prefer them on my school board than fundy nutbars).
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Not this stupid Christians control everything argument again. That's been put to bed numerous times, but I realize it's part of the fantasy world you all have to create to continue fueling the hatred and paranoia.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Knowing lots of Mormons out here in AZ, your comparison of them to Muslim fundamentalists is grossly ignorant. If I was a liberal I'd trot out some phobia word, but I'll just leave it that you have little understanding of Mormons if you make such a comparison.
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I meant these guys, Bob. Considering the rest of the post was about fundies that should have been obvious.

Your outrage meter needs re-calibrating.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Not this stupid Christians control everything argument again. That's been put to bed numerous times, but I realize it's part of the fantasy world you all have to create to continue fueling the hatred and paranoia.
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Oh please. :rolleyes:
 
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burd said:
It is not personal, Bob. Think of it in the way Christians so often do when they explain their condemnation of homosexuality but not of homosexuals: hate the idiocy, love the idiot.

Before you string yourself up, I'm kidding. :)
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So you don't think a person can dislike a behavior yet like the person (which is a massively simplistic approach to begin with as there are many layers to such things)? I guess when kids misbehave parents can't still love them. Who knew? What a shallow world we reside in. I'd discuss the nuances of my views on homosexuality if I thought there was a scintilla of a chance the crazies around here wouldn't go nuts like they always do.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Strange I can win with a bunch of rolling eyes, but people ignore sound points made. Such is America in 2015.
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One man's sound point is another man's banality or bluster. That's why we don't all have the same opinions. Such is humanity, always.
 
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Kepler said:
One man's sound point is another man's banality or bluster. That's why we don't all have the same opinions. Such is humanity, always.
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Maybe we just have more free time to form such opinions and blather on about it than most people through history who were just scraping by and surviving.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Maybe we just have more free time to form such opinions and blather on about it than most people through history who were just scraping by and surviving.
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I would bet most humans who have ever lived spent almost all of their time blathering. Even the lone, hard-working pioneer had his share of opinions, and they were every bit as dumb as ours. Probably even dumber, since he had very few acquaintances to compare them with.

We romanticize our forebears in so many ways. They were us. Until somebody starts messing with brain chemistry in utero, it's just been the same Model T cranked out ever since Gilgamesh went swimming.
 
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Kepler said:
I would bet most humans who have ever lived spent almost all of their time blathering. Even the lone, hard-working pioneer had his share of opinions, and they were every bit as dumb as ours. Probably even dumber, since he had very few acquaintances to compare them with.

We romanticize our forebears in so many ways. They were us. Until somebody starts messing with brain chemistry in utero, it's just been the same Model T cranked out ever since Gilgamesh went swimming.
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But they didn't have an internet and unlimited (biased) news reporting, etc. They certainly had opinions, but they were inherently much more limited, as they didn't know about what was going on in Iran or North Korea or the Sudan or whatever, let alone elsewhere in their state or other parts of the country. And having the time to muse on it certainly does fuel having more opinions on things.

I'm not going toward your whole things are as they always have been theory, which as you know I don't buy into, though there is some vein of truth to it, just not near as much as you subscribe to.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But they didn't have an internet and unlimited (biased) news reporting, etc. They certainly had opinions, but they were inherently much more limited, as they didn't know about what was going on in Iran or North Korea or the Sudan or whatever, let alone elsewhere in their state or other parts of the country. And having the time to muse on it certainly does fuel having more opinions on things.
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OK, I think that's fair.
 
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