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The Power of the SCOTUS IV: Gays, Guns, and Immigrants, OH MY!

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Rover said:
I find it pretty hard to believe anybody in the Bush administration was listening to him Bob. If you feel differently that's fine, but the Bush-Cheney crowd didn't strike me as the most magnanimous people in the world, and I doubt lining Gore's pockets was too high on their list of priorities.

Again, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but it helps if they're grounded in some sort of reality. Bush Energy Dept or EPA lining up with Al Gore???? Yeah....just having a little trouble believing that one.
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Maybe they were paying him off for throwing the 2000 election!
 
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Yup, I'm sure Gore had no clout whatsoever with anyone. He just was brilliant or lucky in his investments. Kinda like how Hillary made all that money real quick on those investments (cattle futures or something?). Just good American capitalism at work. Nothing more of course.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yup, I'm sure Gore had no clout whatsoever with anyone. He just was brilliant or lucky in his investments. Kinda like how Hillary made all that money real quick on those investments (cattle futures or something?). Just good American capitalism at work. Nothing more of course.
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Crony Capitalism is American Capitalism. Once you're in the club everything is easier.
 
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Rover said:
Next, I fail to see how him investing in promising companies is any different than Dick Cheney investing in Halliburton. If you know an industry, aren't you supposed to invest in it? Isn't that the point? :confused:
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Thankfully the Left never suggested that there were any improprieties involved between Cheney & Halliburton.
 
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busterman62 said:
Thankfully the Left never suggested that there were any improprieties involved between Cheney & Halliburton.
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I can only speak for myself, but I never thought they launched the Iraq war to bolster Cheney's stock options. Their reasons were stupid mind you, but not for their own personal financial gain.
 
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Justice Scalia was right.

Fed judge strikes down Virginia's same sex marriage ban as unconstitutional. Stays decision pending appeal.

But, since the Virginia AG has said he won't enforce the VA law, who speaks for VA before the Supremes?
 
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joecct said:
Justice Scalia was right.

Fed judge strikes down Virginia's same sex marriage ban as unconstitutional. Stays decision pending appeal.

But, since the Virginia AG has said he won't enforce the VA law, who speaks for VA before the Supremes?
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Pat Robertson?
 
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Priceless said:
Pat Robertson?
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Kansas?

http://nation.time.com/2014/02/11/k...usal-of-service-to-gay-couples-moves-forward/
House Bill 2453, which would allow hotels, restaurants and stores in the state to refuse to serve gay couples if “it would be contrary to their sincerely held religious beliefs.” The bill would also allow government clerks to refuse to sign same-sex marriage licenses without threat of a lawsuit.
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Foxton said:
Kansas?

http://nation.time.com/2014/02/11/k...usal-of-service-to-gay-couples-moves-forward/
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I've never heard of a religious hotel or restaurant (what do they serve, the Last Supper?). Therefore, how can you object on religious grounds. Sadly though, this is mainsteam conservative thought, and one has to wonder how many conservatives we know feel the same way but just keep it more quiet than the Kansas people.
 
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joecct said:
Justice Scalia was right.
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Of course he is on this issue - he knows what the law is heading towards, he just is taking the "kicking and screaming" route. There's a reason every federal judge that has heard a gay marriage issue since Windsor came down has ruled for the individuals and against the state (and about half of them cite Scalia's dissent in support of their reasoning).
 
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Candide said:
Sadly though, this is [another fringe element portrayed by critics as] mainsteam conservative thought [although it is merely a sad caricature], and one has to wonder how many conservatives we know feel the same way but just keep it more quiet than the Kansas people.
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:rolleyes:
 
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FreshFish said:
:rolleyes:
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Don't blame me sparky. If your people keep writing our talking points for us what else should we do?

Lynah I really don't get all the bitterness that drives some of these laws. While I'm not in the business of giving advice to the right, I do wonder where all the optimistic Reaganesque people have gone, because that seemed to be a much more compelling message than "we're all doomed so lets go out and screw over people".
 
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They get primaried out...or they leave the party like Charlie Crist.
 
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Remarkable ruling earlier this week from Federal Judge William Martini. it is actually level-headed and sensible!

A group of plaintiffs, including Muslim businesses and associations, sued the [New York City Police] department. They claimed they had suffered, and would suffer in the future, from their identification as targets of police surveillance.

But last week Judge Martini tossed their case out of court. He ruled that police didn't harm the plaintiffs, but he also suggested that if any harm was done to the plaintiffs, it was done by the AP. "None of the Plaintiffs' injuries arose until after the Associated Press released unredacted, confidential NYPD documents and articles expressing its own interpretation of those documents," he wrote.

Judge Martini also drop-kicked the notion that the plaintiffs had been unfairly targeted simply because of their religion. He wrote, "The more likely explanation for the surveillance was a desire to locate budding terrorist conspiracies. The most obvious reason for so concluding is that surveillance of the Muslim community began just after the attacks of September 11, 2001."

The judge further reasoned that the police "could not have monitored New Jersey for Muslim terrorist activities without monitoring the Muslim community itself." Judge Martini concluded that "the motive for the Program was not solely to discriminate against Muslims, but rather to find Muslim terrorists hiding among ordinary, law-abiding Muslims."
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