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The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

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And if they do that Scooby they will fall even further behind. They are so irrelevant they had 20 people run for the POTUS and the only candidate with traction was Donald *** Drumpf. If they spend 8 years going after Hillary like they did Obama they will put up Romney Electoral numbers for the next 20 years.

If they keep it up they'll salivate at Romney's numbers.

(1) Latinos have been gaining 1.5% electoral power in every 4-year cycle. There is no reason to think that will change. In 2036 the electorate will look like this.

(2) Diversity of EV has lagged behind the popular vote due to the winner take all system in states. But as whites fall from majority to plurality that "built in gerrymander" will disappear. In some states whites will become an outright minority and playing to them on strictly racial issues will flip and become a net loss. At that point whites in those states will experience what minorities have throughout all American history: they will start losing when there is discrimination.

(3) Typically a party in free fall expands its outreach, but there are systemic forces within the GOP that could slow or even prevent this. The entire support system of GOP politics -- media, pundits, vendors, special interest groups -- actually perform better when the party is not in power. The resentment and paranoia ginned up against a sitting Democratic government is turned directly into money. For another, gerrymandering and the electorate self-segregation have protected most tenured House members and now, with state migration, even Senate members from the risk of losing a seat due to extreme misalignment with the national electorate. That will continue until 2020, with a few members around the edges getting picked off but most being safe. The frog will boil more slowly than it ought to. Of course...

(4) ... 2020 is a Census year on-cycle, so assuming Hillary is elected if her first term is anything except for a genuine disaster (not an Echo Chamber disaster) and the above trends continue this is where the holiday should end for the GOP. Assuming a normal on-cycle turnout combined with the gradual heat death of the GOP, in 2020 Democrats should be able to make deep incursions into federal, state and local legislatures, all setting up the redrawing of districts after the census.

tl; dr: Usually we can't extrapolate because parties are sensitive to electoral change and course correct. But the GOP hasn't and may not. They may have pushed so far into extremism that they have in actuality become a white nationalist party. If that's the case, they will stall at 45% or even decline further.

At some point, the branch will snap. But instead of a gradual 45, 43, 41... decline where the writing is painfully obvious and the donors recapture the party and force change, we may instead see a change like 45, 45, 44, 44, 34 where almost everyone on board is unaffected and the spreading rot is hidden until the first plank goes and then the ship immediately sinks.
 
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Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Yeah, it can't hold. :rolleyes: I've had 16 years of **** because of Bush and the inability of Obama being able to do what he needed to do. All they need is their Gerrmandered House to hold and it will continue another 8 years under Clinton. By then I'll be so close to retirement it won't matter anymore.

Watching that hearing today and the Benghazi hearing has been very eye opening.

I think you're closer to the funny farm than retirement, although maybe that's what you meant...

Putting your nonsense aside, I find it amusing that when Reagan-Bush won the WH for 12 years, but controlled the House none of those years and the Senate for half, we were in THE CONSERVATIVE ERA!!!!! Now if Obama-Clinton hold the WH for 12 years, the House for lets say 2 and the Senate for at least 8 out the 12 years, we're in..... THE CONSERVATIVE ERA!!!! Ummm...how exactly does that compute again? :confused:
 
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I think you're closer to the funny farm than retirement, although maybe that's what you meant...

Putting your nonsense aside, I find it amusing that when Reagan-Bush won the WH for 12 years, but controlled the House none of those years and the Senate for half, we were in THE CONSERVATIVE ERA!!!!! Now if Obama-Clinton hold the WH for 12 years, the House for lets say 2 and the Senate for at least 8 out the 12 years, we're in..... THE CONSERVATIVE ERA!!!! Ummm...how exactly does that compute again? :confused:

Clinton era was fantastic. I'll take more of that, please. Until he ****ed up and went intern on the bit. If you can't see what the Trolls have done for the last 8 years than you are blind.
 
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Rover, you must admit that the GOP holding the House is a big deal. It's paralyzed the government. They literally won't even let CDC funding through.

The GOP has backed themselves into a corner where to prove their contention that government doesn't work they themselves have to sabotage it and then just pray the other side gets more blame. No, that isn't helping them, but it's hurt the country badly. You can't just say that doesn't matter.
 
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Rover, you must admit that the GOP holding the House is a big deal. It's paralyzed the government. They literally won't even let CDC funding through.

The GOP has backed themselves into a corner where to prove their contention that government doesn't work they themselves have to sabotage it and then just pray the other side gets more blame. No, that isn't helping them, but it's hurt the country badly. You can't just say that doesn't matter.

This. So much this.
 
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The House is paralyzed at best until 2022 or '24. Worst case, Paul Ryan strolls into the White House in 2020 and manages to burn through much of progressive progress before everyone else wakes up.
 
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The House is paralyzed at best until 2022 or '24. Worst case, Paul Ryan strolls into the White House in 2020 and manages to burn through much of progressive progress before everyone else wakes up.

And that's 24 straight years in the new century of absolute crap. Crap that will take 100 years or more to fix.
 
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The House is paralyzed at best until 2022 or '24. Worst case, Paul Ryan strolls into the White House in 2020 and manages to burn through much of progressive progress before everyone else wakes up.

I can't imagine the SML surviving if Congress doesn't get its act together. The body is at about 19% approval and House Republicans are about 9%. That plus the cross-currents of the Tea Party, even in its death throes, would suck him under and drown him. And Ryan seems like an opportunist who won't let party dynamics kill his career.
 
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He's a politician, therefore an opportunist.
 
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OAR took me a second. That's good stuff.

Higher OAR means better politician. Presidents have the highest OAR of them all. That's how they get there.
 
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Rover, you must admit that the GOP holding the House is a big deal. It's paralyzed the government. They literally won't even let CDC funding through.

The GOP has backed themselves into a corner where to prove their contention that government doesn't work they themselves have to sabotage it and then just pray the other side gets more blame. No, that isn't helping them, but it's hurt the country badly. You can't just say that doesn't matter.

Its a big deal but a lesser one than holding 1) the WH, 2) the courts, and 3) the Senate. The President sets the agenda, no matter how many lamestream media types want to drool over Paul Ryan for reasons I've never been able to figure out.

The reasons are simple. Using laws already in place, Prez can tighten financial regulations, environmental protections, conduct foreign policy, healthcare policy, etc etc. The House is powerless to stop all that.

Control the courts, and liberal agenda items such as gay rights, reproductive rights, voting rights also get enacted. You obviously need control of the WH and Senate to do this, but after years of Dem control this will be completed come 2017.

Really, the House's main function is the budget and to block gun control which we're going to need a 5th vote on the SCOTUS to enact anyway.

PS - I had to laugh at the contention that Paul Ryan is going to be elected President. This is the intellectual heavyweight of the GOP who got his a ss whipped in a debate with....Joe Biden. :confused: Yeah...
 
Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Its a big deal but a lesser one than holding 1) the WH, 2) the courts, and 3) the Senate. The President sets the agenda, no matter how many lamestream media types want to drool over Paul Ryan for reasons I've never been able to figure out.

The reasons are simple. Using laws already in place, Prez can tighten financial regulations, environmental protections, conduct foreign policy, healthcare policy, etc etc. The House is powerless to stop all that.

Control the courts, and liberal agenda items such as gay rights, reproductive rights, voting rights also get enacted. You obviously need control of the WH and Senate to do this, but after years of Dem control this will be completed come 2017.

Really, the House's main function is the budget and to block gun control which we're going to need a 5th vote on the SCOTUS to enact anyway.

PS - I had to laugh at the contention that Paul Ryan is going to be elected President. This is the intellectual heavyweight of the GOP who got his a ss whipped in a debate with....Joe Biden. :confused: Yeah...

The Democrats don't hold the courts yet. And they don't hold the Senate. So, I fail to see how that mitigates my argument. Right now the Court is 4-4. I'm assuming it will be 5-4 when Hillary nominates and confirms someone. It will take that confirmation at least a year because Hillary's Presidency has already been damaged beyond repair. She will be more handicapped than Obama when she takes office.
 
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It will take that confirmation at least a year because Hillary's Presidency has already been damaged beyond repair.

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This isn't true. Nothing has changed -- the GOPers in Congress refuse to work with any Democrat because all their compensation (right wing donors and future media gigs) depends on them normalizing the psychosis of their constituents.

Hillary is handicapped if the country doesn't wake up and vote the GOP Members out in Congress, but that has nothing to do with anything of substance regarding Hillary and is just a function of the Republican divergence from reality. It would happen with any president with a D after their name.
 
The Democrats don't hold the courts yet. And they don't hold the Senate. So, I fail to see how that mitigates my argument. Right now the Court is 4-4. I'm assuming it will be 5-4 when Hillary nominates and confirms someone. It will take that confirmation at least a year because Hillary's Presidency has already been damaged beyond repair. She will be more handicapped than Obama when she takes office.

In theory courts should be above the political fray. However, as the electorate has drifted more and more to the antipodes, we can't help but see every decision that is against our position as wrong, misguided, or worse.

Compromise is dead. Whether we realize it or not, we're becoming little dictators where dissent from the norm is punished.

Older folk may remember the Ballad of Beta-2
She walked through the gates and the children cried,

She walked through the Market and the voices died,
She walked past the court house and the judge so still,
She walked to the bottom of Death's Head hill...

Tyranny is an awful thing. You don't know how close we are to it.
 
Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

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This isn't true. Nothing has changed -- the GOPers in Congress refuse to work with any Democrat because all their compensation (right wing donors and future media gigs) depends on them normalizing the psychosis of their constituents.

Hillary is handicapped if the country doesn't wake up and vote the GOP Members out in Congress, but that has nothing to do with anything of substance regarding Hillary and is just a function of the Republican divergence from reality. It would happen with any president with a D after their name.

Yes it is true. She wouldn't even qualify for security clearance in a low level government position at this point. That is going to be hammered into her her entire Presidency. She's done.
 
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No she isnt...no one cares which is why she is still going to win. The low level security meme is BS. (Colin Powell wouldnt then either since he did the exact same thing)

I know you need a new windmill to tilt at since all your doomsday predictions keep getting destroyed but this isnt one. The FBI cleared her, the State Department is going to clear her and she is going to be President. Any pushback she gets wont be over this it will be because she is a D. They always have reasons to do it if it wasnt this it would be something else.
 
No she isnt...no one cares which is why she is still going to win. The low level security meme is BS. (Colin Powell wouldnt then either since he did the exact same thing)

I know you need a new windmill to tilt at since all your doomsday predictions keep getting destroyed but this isnt one. The FBI cleared her, the State Department is going to clear her and she is going to be President. Any pushback she gets wont be over this it will be because she is a D. They always have reasons to do it if it wasnt this it would be something else.

Comey's presser was the modern day equivalent of Marc Antony's "Friends, Romans, Countrymen". It was an iindictment without charges.
 
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Scoobs is off his meds again, but what I don't think he realizes regarding the SCOTUS is Senate Dems are out for blood. All that decorum is going to be out the window. Either the GOP will approve whoever she sends up in a timely fashion or the Dems will eliminate the filibuster for SCOTUS nominations and proceed accordingly. Knowing they have a two year window to pack the courts before the next election, people like Warren will drive the bus accordingly.
 
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