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The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
Quite a can of worms Hobby Lobby and the Supreme Court have opened.
Quite a can of worms Hobby Lobby and the Supreme Court have opened.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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That's what Oklahoma thought.
Everybody's invisible pixies are equal under the law.
That's what Oklahoma thought.
Everybody's invisible pixies are equal under the law.
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This isn't remotely the same as Hobby Lobby, but don't let that stop the efforts to score a few partisan points on this one.
Oh, and on the Oklahoma thing, the article indicates they plan to put in in front of the Statehouse even though the Commission isn't granting permits until the lawsuit works its way through the courts on the other monument. Sounds like littering at this point and the thing would likely be hauled away, being unauthorized to be there. It's not like you don't need to follow the proper procedures, something these folks don't seem interested in. Details, details.
Kudos on your efforts though to dig up such obscure things to try to prove an point.
So you're arguing that Hobby Lobby means nobody has to follow any law they don't want to? That's silly.
This isn't remotely the same as Hobby Lobby, but don't let that stop the efforts to score a few partisan points on this one.
Oh, and on the Oklahoma thing, the article indicates they plan to put in in front of the Statehouse even though the Commission isn't granting permits until the lawsuit works its way through the courts on the other monument. Sounds like littering at this point and the thing would likely be hauled away, being unauthorized to be there. It's not like you don't need to follow the proper procedures, something these folks don't seem interested in. Details, details.
Kudos on your efforts though to dig up such obscure things to try to prove an point.
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In what sense? That your pixies are real?
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If I had pixies, I certainly wouldn't discuss them with you.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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The Hobby Lobby decision specifically is not about religion -- it's about the Court's drive to give corporations and the owners of corporations greater power. The blindness behind that decision was economic, and it will eventually be overturned when economic sense returns to the Court. But the Satanists didn't invent the public's misunderstanding of HL as a "religious freedom" decision, so they're on point to mount a similar test for their beliefs. They do need a closely-held corporation for HL to apply; at that point, the only thing breaking the symmetry will be that the science ST is citing is true, whereas that cited by HL was false.
The Oklahoma Baphomet (PBUH) statue is about the endorsement by the state of a particular religion, in contradiction of the Establishment clause -- a different type of hypocrisy peddled by the same people who were creaming their jeans about HL.
The Hobby Lobby decision specifically is not about religion -- it's about the Court's drive to give corporations and the owners of corporations greater power. The blindness behind that decision was economic, and it will eventually be overturned when economic sense returns to the Court. But the Satanists didn't invent the public's misunderstanding of HL as a "religious freedom" decision, so they're on point to mount a similar test for their beliefs. They do need a closely-held corporation for HL to apply; at that point, the only thing breaking the symmetry will be that the science ST is citing is true, whereas that cited by HL was false.
The Oklahoma Baphomet (PBUH) statue is about the endorsement by the state of a particular religion, in contradiction of the Establishment clause -- a different type of hypocrisy peddled by the same people who were creaming their jeans about HL.
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Those are your opinions and you're entitled to them. Although I don't agree, I'm glad you have the freedom to express them.
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pixie - a supernatural being in folklore and children's stories, typically portrayed as small and humanlike in form, with pointed ears and a pointed hat, and mischievous in character.
This one speaks for itself.
pixie - a supernatural being in folklore and children's stories, typically portrayed as small and humanlike in form, with pointed ears and a pointed hat, and mischievous in character.
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The satanist statue, which is spectacular by the way, will be rejected when they try to donate it. Just like there is no state action in promoting or limiting religion by accepting a donation, there won't be in rejecting the donation.
I'm hoping these statues show up on e-bay in a couple of years. If I thought I could get it in the house without my wife noticing.....
The problem they will run into is state action. As noted in the links, it's not the state or a city that erected the Commandments statue. They simply accepted a donation. I think that is how they have gotten away with these 10 commandment statues that seem to be everywhere on government property. I even think the Eagles or Elks or some other fraternal organization years ago was in the habit of "donating" these statues to courthouses and city halls. There is no "state action" in terms of promoting or limiting religious beliefs by accepting the donation.
The satanist statue, which is spectacular by the way, will be rejected when they try to donate it. Just like there is no state action in promoting or limiting religion by accepting a donation, there won't be in rejecting the donation.
I'm hoping these statues show up on e-bay in a couple of years. If I thought I could get it in the house without my wife noticing.....
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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You weren't going to put it in the kitchen, were you?
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Never heard of them, but I support your freedom to enjoy them if you like.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I'd think that if the state only accepted donations celebrating one faith, that counts as an endorsement. Or put it this way: what if they accepted donations relating to every faith except Judaism? That would probably be considered prima facie evidence of discrimination.
The thumpers had a much better argument with "historical relevance," IMHO. I don't know whether the Court shot that one down, though.
I'd think that if the state only accepted donations celebrating one faith, that counts as an endorsement. Or put it this way: what if they accepted donations relating to every faith except Judaism? That would probably be considered prima facie evidence of discrimination.
The thumpers had a much better argument with "historical relevance," IMHO. I don't know whether the Court shot that one down, though.
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Then does the state have to accept any donation and put anyone's monument at the statehouse?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Nope, they just have to accept none that are religious. It's really not that hard. They wouldn't accept a statue on the theme Yeah White People, We're The Best And The Rest Of You Are Going To Burn Forever, Woohoo!
Nope, they just have to accept none that are religious. It's really not that hard. They wouldn't accept a statue on the theme Yeah White People, We're The Best And The Rest Of You Are Going To Burn Forever, Woohoo!
cF[Authentic]
southpaw
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Whoa... but that's the name of my religion. Why are you restricting my white people awesomeness religion? Bigot.
Whoa... but that's the name of my religion. Why are you restricting my white people awesomeness religion? Bigot.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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