The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

[beaverhockeyfan]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

BSU has released its Season Ticket Information for the 2013-14 WCHA Hockey Season. Season tickets will be starting at $275 for next year, a reduction of $70 from this past season!

http://www.bsubeavers.com/tickets/seasontickets/

 

[gfmorris]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I kinda wish I jumped aboard the NHL Gamecenter deal at the start of the season. Anyway; all I was alluding to in my post is that while I support my University, I would rather purchase an all inclusive WCHA.tv package, instead of trying to piecemeal day-passes / 1 month subscriptions together to watch my team.

Would it really have been that hard to offer a simulcast of the individual feeds under one streaming umbrella? Purchase single games/full team seasons through your school... Or get every WCHA game for $XX

GCL was the best $50 I spent this year, even if I lost about 20% of the Bruins games to NHL Network.

I agree that you should be able to get single-game deals, team passes, and league passes. They'd do best with watching archived games in-season. If I'm at UAH-BSU, that doesn't mean that I don't want to watch BGSU-FSU Friday night while I'm sobering up or Saturday morning while I'm nursing a hangover.

BSU has released its Season Ticket Information for the 2013-14 WCHA Hockey Season. Season tickets will be starting at $275 for next year, a reduction of $70 from this past season!

http://www.bsubeavers.com/tickets/seasontickets/

We're at $192 for our 16-game season. That per-game price is up 20%, but we can't jump much higher even with the biggest D-I home slate that we've ever had.

GFM

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

We're at $192 for our 16-game season. That per-game price is up 20%, but we can't jump much higher even with the biggest D-I home slate that we've ever had.

GFM

These prices are the lowest that BSU has had in eight years I think. So that is three years at the Sanford Center as part of the WCHA and then five years at the Glas in the CHA.

With the 20 game home schedule, that is $13.75 a game. There is also an exhibition game against Manitoba if you want to count that, but I didn't. I would guess that when single game tickets go on sale, the Minnesota and North Dakota games will be at least $30, while others will probably be in the $15-$20 range. But, that is just a guess on my part......

 

[4four4]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I should clarify, the MiLB.tv package is for computers and iPhone/iPod only (unless someone made a channel for Roku/etc.) but every AAA team's home games all season are only $30.

If I had a new iPad/iPhone/iPod I may be able to utilize Airplay and stream the broadcast to the AppleTV that way.

I kinda wish I jumped aboard the NHL Gamecenter deal at the start of the season. Anyway; all I was alluding to in my post is that while I support my University, I would rather purchase an all inclusive WCHA.tv package, instead of trying to piecemeal day-passes / 1 month subscriptions together to watch my team.

Would it really have been that hard to offer a simulcast of the individual feeds under one streaming umbrella? Purchase single games/full team seasons through your school... Or get every WCHA game for $XX

Here is a perfect example why the WCHA should have their own Roku/Apple TV "channel". It would be huge for the growth of the game and more importantly help the WCHA brand. Even though I am a Gopher supporter I still would purchase it for the Roku/Apple TV. You hear that Macleod?

 

[manurespreader]

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Even if you said that all the schools have rights to their own video's, and the league puts the games up 24 hours late, you can't tell me that the school would not benefit by doing so. I mean how many teams get any revenue a day after the event is over.

It is what it is though. Hopefully the league will not have fossil viewpoints like this in other areas.

 

[gfmorris]

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I think that, if we want something like a Roku channel (you're not getting into the Apple stack with the dollar amounts we're seeing ... by 100x), we're going to have to provide a proof of concept. Those who can, do; those who can't, complain on message boards.

These prices are the lowest that BSU has had in eight years I think. So that is three years at the Sanford Center as part of the WCHA and then five years at the Glas in the CHA.

With the 20 game home schedule, that is $13.75 a game. There is also an exhibition game against Manitoba if you want to count that, but I didn't. I would guess that when single game tickets go on sale, the Minnesota and North Dakota games will be at least $30, while others will probably be in the $15-$20 range. But, that is just a guess on my part......

We've never done differential pricing. I'd like to think that we could do it v. SCSU and the Beavs, but the plain truth is that we're playing to (at best) a half-fill barn, and we need to get 4k in the doors before we start doing anything. In fact, I will be surprised if the home opener against Bemidji and one of the St. Cloud games aren't giveaway nights. We're working on increasing Saturday night attendance during football season, too. The splits are pretty strong, especially when we're up against Auburn and Alabama home games and/or one of them on national TV in the night-time slot, which happens a lot lately with the Tide.

Bit by bit, step by step, we'll rebuild this baby.

GFM <— just hopes to still be living here.

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

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You are in a unique situation regarding differential pricing. UAH has a 6000 seat barn to fill and no real close rival. Differential pricing worked in the old WCHA due to:

1. The size of the barns. BSU only has 4375 seats to fill.
2. Proximity of the opponent and the ability of their fan base to travel.
3. The demand from the "casual" fan that wants to see the "big names".

That probably won't work with the new league, but it will still have the potential to work in non league games.

 

[blackswampboy]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

You are in a unique situation regarding differential pricing. UAH has a 6000 seat barn to fill and no real close rival. Differential pricing worked in the old WCHA due to:

1. The size of the barns. BSU only has 4375 seats to fill.
2. Proximity of the opponent and the ability of their fan base to travel.
3. The demand from the "casual" fan that wants to see the "big names".

That probably won't work with the new league, but it will still have the potential to work in non league games.

BG had differential pricing for OSU, UofM, State, and maybe Notre Dame (I forget). But even those games were only $13 for general admission...
With no close rivals in the nWCHA, doubt it'll work going forward. Oh yeah, except for next season's OSU game.

 

[gfmorris]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

You are in a unique situation regarding differential pricing. UAH has a 6000 seat barn to fill and no real close rival. Differential pricing worked in the old WCHA due to:

1. The size of the barns. BSU only has 4375 seats to fill.
2. Proximity of the opponent and the ability of their fan base to travel.
3. The demand from the "casual" fan that wants to see the "big names".

That probably won't work with the new league, but it will still have the potential to work in non league games.

Yeah, I think the only difference will be going down on Saturdays during football season.

GFM

 

[MikeAnderson]

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UAH would go if I gave them a hard enough push and had them a place to land. They want something for all sports. Do y'all want to help me run this to ground for us as a hope that we'll spur the league on to doing it for everyone? It'd be just like our old ASID going up to Lipscomb U in Nashville and being the first non-BCS school to do ESPN3.

GFM

ESPN3 is trying to gobble up exclusive content left and right, college hockey seems to be a natural place to start that. But it's VERY cost intensive (a from-scratch ESPN3 setup will run $300-400k)

 

[manurespreader]

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So the USHL has a Roku channel but we can't afford one?

geesh!

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

So the USHL has a Roku channel but we can't afford one?

geesh!

I have a feeling the real underlying problem is dividing up the pie. Or trying to explain to the individual schools that "you can keep your individual package deals, but we want to simulcast hockey on our own..."

It's a little easier to get all the USHL teams on board, because the league can do it. It's a little tougher since each individual school has their own streaming deals already.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I see the WCHA is up to their old tricks. Retweeted someone four days later.
April 18th:
<html><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/jjnphoto">jjnphoto</a>: R. I. P. CCHA. You will be missed. WCHA to be the powerhouse of college hockey! @<a href="https://twitter.com/cchahockey">cchahockey</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/wchahockey">wchahockey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NMUHockey">#NMUHockey</a>...</p>— WCHA Hockey (@wchahockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/wchahockey/status/324981158679044096">April 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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April 14th:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>R. I. P. CCHA. You will be missed. WCHA to be the powerhouse of college hockey! @<a href="https://twitter.com/cchahockey">cchahockey</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/wchahockey">wchahockey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NMUHockey">#NMUHockey</a><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NMUAthletics">#NMUAthletics</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NMU">#NMU</a></p>— JJN Photo (@JJNPhoto) <a href="https://twitter.com/JJNPhoto/status/323558202585264128">April 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[gfmorris]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

ESPN3 is trying to gobble up exclusive content left and right, college hockey seems to be a natural place to start that. But it's VERY cost intensive (a from-scratch ESPN3 setup will run $300-400k)

Okay, so we both know an ESPN3 school's SID. Yes, it's (prohibitively) expensive. It's also unlikely that the WCHA will go first. With NBCSN doing HE, I would expect that ESPN would go after the ECAC or NCHC.

GFM

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

Okay, so we both know an ESPN3 school's SID. Yes, it's (prohibitively) expensive. It's also unlikely that the WCHA will go first. With NBCSN doing HE, I would expect that ESPN would go after the ECAC or NCHC.

GFM

CBS Sports (or whatever name it is going by now) has the NCHC.

 

[gfmorris]

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CBS Sports (or whatever name it is going by now) has the NCHC.

The ECAC gets a company the Ivies, especially with the success they had this year. I can't see who else would swoop in to hijack the ECAC, though, so it's not like there'll be a rights-fee war.

GFM

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I just can't see anyone else picking up hockey. The Big Ten has the BTN, Hockey East has signed with the NBC Sports Network and NCHC has signed with the CBS Sports Network. I just can't see ESPN3 or the new FoxSports Network (or whatever they are going to call it to try and rival ESPN) picking up the ECAC, WCHA or AHA.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I just can't see anyone else picking up hockey. The Big Ten has the BTN, Hockey East has signed with the NBC Sports Network and NCHC has signed with the CBS Sports Network. I just can't see ESPN3 or the new FoxSports Network (or whatever they are going to call it to try and rival ESPN) picking up the ECAC, WCHA or AHA.

Time Warner already has ECAC and RIT of the AHA for the most part. Granted, that's local cable...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

The ECAC gets a company the Ivies, especially with the success they had this year. I can't see who else would swoop in to hijack the ECAC, though, so it's not like there'll be a rights-fee war.

GFM

Actually one thing to note about NBC's coverage the past couple of years: With the ECAC games, not a single one did NOT have an ivy league team.

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

Time Warner already has ECAC and RIT of the AHA for the most part. Granted, that's local cable...

Yeah, I was thinking more "national scale". BSU's home games reaches close to 5 million in the upper Midwest with their contract with Lakeland Public Television. Between the "Over The Air" broadcast and being part of the Minneapolis/St. Paul Local Channels on DirecTV, they reach all of Minnesota and parts of North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Wisconsin.