The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

[bigblue_dl]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Apparently two ****s worth of caring brings you into this thread repeatedly.

Stop with all your pathetic projecting of your own female insecurities.

Amen to that.

I think the scheduling agreement idea is something that the new commissioner should pursue. Good idea right there.

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

As someone with no real knowledge of the situation, I can say with confidence that I believe the CCHA was keeping that last spot for Penn State just in case. It still sucked for UAH though.

Nobody with a mental capacity equal to or greater than a lab rat EVER thought Penn State might join CCHA. Lots of people thought BG was going to fold, and didn't want to be an 11 team league after BG died and UAH came in.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Amen to that.

I think the scheduling agreement idea is something that the new commissioner should pursue. Good idea right there.

Unless your team is getting an equal number of home games with schools that are a draw in its rink, such an arrangement makes little sense. What good does it do in the course of a 3 year period for a team like Michigan Tech to get, by luck of the draw, road trips to Penn State and Minnesota and have Ohio State play in Houghton? Why would it make sense? Financially, even if NMU takes a 2-for-1 with Michigan, it can't make enough money on the home series to pay for the additional trip to Ann Arbor. The Michigan State Coach was a big proponent of the Big Ten schools playing games at the other CCHA rinks...until he became a Big Ten Coach. Unless the Big Ten schools guarantee expenses on the second trip, it's useless to go there. NMU did a one time deal with North Dakota last year and it included a nice check. They have the same arrangement with Penn State this season. Doing 2-for-1s, especially as a group where you cannot be guaranteed to face the schools that would fill your barn, just doesn't work. And Michigan and MSU aren't going to Ferris, Lake State, NMU and Tech. And the Minnesota schools already have a deal in place with Minnesota that has another four years to run and includes an annual tournament in St Paul, further complicating the situation. Would Bemidji or Mankato want to give that up?

 

[Squarebanks]

Nobody with a mental capacity equal to or greater than a lab rat EVER thought Penn State might join CCHA. Lots of people thought BG was going to fold, and didn't want to be an 11 team league after BG died and UAH came in.

And yet it wound up being an 11 team league.

 

[Seawolf Fan]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

And yet it wound up being an 11 team league.

Don't confuse him with facts.

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

And yet it wound up being an 11 team league.

It was already going to be an 11 team league once Omaha bailed after 09-10. Nobody liked that number...it's the worst of all possible.

Sadly for Huntsville their application to the CCHA came in during that time when it REALLY looked like BG was going to fold.

 

[RapidsCity]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: the bane of all trolls!

 

[RapidsCity]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

It was already going to be an 11 team league once Omaha bailed after 09-10. Nobody liked that number...it's the worst of all possible.

Sadly for Huntsville their application to the CCHA came in during that time when it REALLY looked like BG was going to fold.

The Commish would gladly gotten down on his hands and knees and begged Penn State to be an 11th team!

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this timeline, but I'm pretty sure I'm right:

Late in the 08-09 season news of Omaha's application to the WCHA leaked out.
Shortly after the end of the 08-09 season Omaha announced they would leave CCHA for WCHA after 09-10. CCHA would drop to 11.
About that same time the stuff hit the fan in BG, EVERYBODY thought we were dead in the water and CCHA would drop to 10.
That summer (2009) Huntsville applied for CCHA membership.
Eleven-phobia was just ONE of the reasons some CCHA members had for black-balling Huntsville.

Yes, as it turned out CCHA ended up stuck with the dreaded 11 once BG saved itself. I certainly don't mean to give the impression that I think it was right, proper, or even in the CCHA's best interests to diss UAH. The CCHA might have been in a better bargaining position when the final breakdown came along if they had brought UAH in...but that's all hindsight, and just one of a MULTITUDE of mistakes the CCHA made before and during their circling of the bowl.

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

The Commish would gladly gotten down on his hands and knees and begged Penn State to be an 11th team!

Yes, and he would have fellated Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if he had the chance...BUT Penn State wasn't on the radar then. We're talking about stuff that happened in the spring and summer of 2009, more than a full year before PSU announced their plans.

 

[UAHStatman]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this timeline, but I'm pretty sure I'm right:

Late in the 08-09 season news of Omaha's application to the WCHA leaked out.
Shortly after the end of the 08-09 season Omaha announced they would leave CCHA for WCHA after 09-10. CCHA would drop to 11.
About that same time the stuff hit the fan in BG, EVERYBODY thought we were dead in the water and CCHA would drop to 10.
That summer (2009) Huntsville applied for CCHA membership.
Eleven-phobia was just ONE of the reasons some CCHA members had for black-balling Huntsville.

Yes, as it turned out CCHA ended up stuck with the dreaded 11 once BG saved itself. I certainly don't mean to give the impression that I think it was right, proper, or even in the CCHA's best interests to diss UAH. The CCHA might have been in a better bargaining position when the final breakdown came along if they had brought UAH in...but that's all hindsight, and just one of a MULTITUDE of mistakes the CCHA made before and during their circling of the bowl.

What started it was Niagara and Robert Morris announcing in Jan. 2009 that they were moving to Atlantic, leaving only Bemidji State and UAH to number the days remaining in the CHA. Bemidji did what it had to: Apply to join the WCHA. To avoid 11, Omaha was coaxed into applying as well. Bemidji State and Omaha were accepted together in June '09 (to start WCHA play in 2010-11).

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Unless your team is getting an equal number of home games with schools that are a draw in its rink, such an arrangement makes little sense. What good does it do in the course of a 3 year period for a team like Michigan Tech to get, by luck of the draw, road trips to Penn State and Minnesota and have Ohio State play in Houghton?

I'm sure you won't understand the nature of a common association which benefits all. But I'll try to explain it. The league benefits overall by improving it's pairwise potential. It benefits by getting a B!G team into it's rink on a regular basis (not as regular as any of us would like but regular nonetheless).

Why would it make sense? Financially, even if NMU takes a 2-for-1 with Michigan, it can't make enough money on the home series to pay for the additional trip to Ann Arbor. The Michigan State Coach was a big proponent of the Big Ten schools playing games at the other CCHA rinks...until he became a Big Ten Coach. Unless the Big Ten schools guarantee expenses on the second trip, it's useless to go there. NMU did a one time deal with North Dakota last year and it included a nice check. They have the same arrangement with Penn State this season. Doing 2-for-1s, especially as a group where you cannot be guaranteed to face the schools that would fill your barn, just doesn't work. And Michigan and MSU aren't going to Ferris, Lake State, NMU and Tech. And the Minnesota schools already have a deal in place with Minnesota that has another four years to run and includes an annual tournament in St Paul, further complicating the situation. Would Bemidji or Mankato want to give that up?

Would you rather have your team go to Mariucci to play the Golden Chokers or go to Princeton, NJ or Albany, NY or Omaha?

I'm not suggesting extra expenses here as you seem to think. I'm suggesting a scheduling agreement with the most prestigious league in D1 which will benefit everyone in the nWCHA. Being from the CCHA, you never really experienced the bump in pairwise that was part of being in the WCHA. It's not a huge benefit but it's one that quite often in the past would be enough to keep an NCAA team off the cliff at crunch time.

Why anyone here would rail as you are doing against a "scheduling agreement" with another league is baffling. I simply thought that since UAA and UA_ are consistently going to get home games against B!G opponents that some manner of agreement might be reached to benefit everyone in the league. And as I indicated, I was not sure how the agreement would be structured ... I merely suggested one such possibility. It isn't like it would be some effing burden on the 8 non-Alaskan schools. Each one of them gets to play at least 2 games above the ncaa imposed 34 game schedule. You know? That's why NMU played 36 regular season games this past season instead of 34.

If NMU wouldn't want games against B!G opponents then I'm sure that they could be allowed to opt-out of a WCHA/B!G scheduling agreement and continue to play their extra 2 non-conference games on the road (as they did this year).

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

I'm sure you won't understand the nature of a common association which benefits all. But I'll try to explain it. The league benefits overall by improving it's pairwise potential. It benefits by getting a B!G team into it's rink on a regular basis (not as regular as any of us would like but regular nonetheless).


Would you rather have your team go to Mariucci to play the Golden Chokers or go to Princeton, NJ or Albany, NY or Omaha?

I'm not suggesting extra expenses here as you seem to think. I'm suggesting a scheduling agreement with the most prestigious league in D1 which will benefit everyone in the nWCHA. Being from the CCHA, you never really experienced the bump in pairwise that was part of being in the WCHA. It's not a huge benefit but it's one that quite often in the past would be enough to keep an NCAA team off the cliff at crunch time.

Why anyone here would rail as you are doing against a "scheduling agreement" with another league is baffling. I simply thought that since UAA and UA_ are consistently going to get home games against B!G opponents that some manner of agreement might be reached to benefit everyone in the league. And as I indicated, I was not sure how the agreement would be structured ... I merely suggested one such possibility. It isn't like it would be some effing burden on the 8 non-Alaskan schools. Each one of them gets to play at least 2 games above the ncaa imposed 34 game schedule. You know? That's why NMU played 36 regular season games this past season instead of 34.

If NMU wouldn't want games against B!G opponents then I'm sure that they could be allowed to opt-out of a WCHA/B!G scheduling agreement and continue to play their extra 2 non-conference games on the road (as they did this year).

I would be all for a scheduling agreement that is financially equitable.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

I would be all for a scheduling agreement that is financially equitable.

Where did I say that the new WCHA commish should pursue a scheduling agreement in which WCHA teams take it up the ***?

Oh and btw ... I even suggested that UAA and UA_ pay more of the B!G travel to the tourney's up there as a way to compensate the B!G schools for scheduling the other teams in the WCHA.

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

What started it was Niagara and Robert Morris announcing in Jan. 2009 that they were moving to Atlantic, leaving only Bemidji State and UAH to number the days remaining in the CHA. Bemidji did what it had to: Apply to join the WCHA. To avoid 11, Omaha was coaxed into applying as well. Bemidji State and Omaha were accepted together in June '09 (to start WCHA play in 2010-11).

With all due respect, I have to disagree with you. Omaha did NOT have to be coaxed into applying for WCHA membership. From the moment Dean Blias was hired at UNO (spring of 2009) UNO politicked HARD to get in (make no mistake, that's where they ALWAYS wanted to be, anyway). The fact that Bemidji was in the process of being orphaned simply made it an easier call.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

Where did I say that the new WCHA commish should pursue a scheduling agreement in which WCHA teams take it up the ***?

"Maybe an agreement to send two WCHA schools to each of the B!G teams for two years in return for getting a B!G squad into however many schools you can negotiate."

Big Ten schools are not offering anywhere near equitable scheduling arrangements. You can propose all you want.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

With all due respect, I have to disagree with you. Omaha did NOT have to be coaxed into applying for WCHA membership. From the moment Dean Blias was hired at UNO (spring of 2009) UNO politicked HARD to get in (make no mistake, that's where they ALWAYS wanted to be, anyway). The fact that Bemidji was in the process of being orphaned simply made it an easier call.

When Bemidji was becoming a WCHA program, with great help from the Minnesota legislature, two teams were targeted as Team 12. Northern Michigan declined the invitation. Then Omaha accepted.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

"Maybe an agreement to send two WCHA schools to each of the B!G teams for two years in return for getting a B!G squad into however many schools you can negotiate."

Big Ten schools are not offering anywhere near equitable scheduling arrangements. You can propose all you want.

OH well then .... let me take it back. The new WCHA commish should just sit on his butt and do nothing. There ... better. Enjoy your summer illiterate *******.

 

[purpleinnebraska]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

. And the Minnesota schools already have a deal in place with Minnesota that has another four years to run and includes an annual tournament in St Paul, further complicating the situation. Would Bemidji or Mankato want to give that up?

Nope. What's all this stuff about Bi6 "prestige"? We want to play Minnesota. We have no interest in the others, especially under the terms they'd want. The Spartans, Buckeyes, Sanduskys, whatever, wouldn't bring one more person to watch us in Mankato. A bad financial deal, AND we get to play a second tier team with whom we have no history or rivalry? Sign me up!

 

[UAHStatman]

Re: The New WCHA, 2014 Offseason: See-ya, Bruce

With all due respect, I have to disagree with you. Omaha did NOT have to be coaxed into applying for WCHA membership. From the moment Dean Blias was hired at UNO (spring of 2009) UNO politicked HARD to get in (make no mistake, that's where they ALWAYS wanted to be, anyway). The fact that Bemidji was in the process of being orphaned simply made it an easier call.

Actually, Blais was hire at UNO in June '09: http://www.omaha.com/article/20090612/SPORTS03/306139804

That was two months after the WCHA tabled the vote on Bemidji to try to find a 12th: http://www.uscho.com/2009/04/28/update-wchas-call-no-decision-on-bemidji/

About two weeks after Blais was hired, the WCHA accepted BSU and UNO: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/06/26_donedeal.php

This not to deny that UNO didn't need coaxing -- perhaps they wanted their coach first and then everything rolled from there. But it looks like UNO could have applied (and got accepted) the moment the WCHA announced they wanted a 12th. Or maybe they did and we didn't know about it. I guess it doesn't really matter at this point.