The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

[MavsFan]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

UAA and UAF travel down to play your schools without ever moaning and biatching and demanding subsidies and compensation.

Do you just ignore the obvious fact that THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, while the schools in the lower 48 can put together a full schedule without ever going to Alaska, or do you not comprehend that?

 

[MavHockey14]

Do you just ignore the obvious fact that THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, while the schools in the lower 48 can put together a full schedule without ever going to Alaska, or do you not comprehend that?

What he said.

 

[davyd83]

Do you just ignore the obvious fact that THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, while the schools in the lower 48 can put together a full schedule without ever going to Alaska, or do you not comprehend that?

Someone hit the nail on the head!

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Its every school's decision who they want to play, there is nothing saying they have to play any school, and I don't think anyone can force a school to play another one. By joining a conference the school agreeing to play everyone in the conference, but it is still because they want to play those schools. If they decide they don't want to play those schools, they can leave the conference. I don't see how you can force a school to play anyone.

 

[Freddie]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

There's a BIG BIG difference between denying membership based on geography and discriminating against an existing member because of geography. You apparently don't understand that. IF the NCAA discontinued the Alaska/Hawaii exemption and then IF the nWCHA expelled UAF and UAA because of their geography the nWCHA would lose in court. End of story.

I'm not suggesting that the NCAA will or should eliminate the Alaska/Hawaii exemption; nor am I suggesting that the nWCHA will or should move to expel UAF and UAA...but if that DID happen and the Alaska schools did try to bring some sort of suit for "geographical discrimination" the suit would be laughed out of court before the ink was dry.

You are delusional. End of story.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Getting back to the concept of only having a four team conference tourney. I like it for a couple reasons:
1) Motivation to not finish #9 or #10. The teams that are not battling for home ice can have the excitement of battling for a spot in the playoffs the last few weeks of the regular season. I think it puts more meaning on the games even for the teams at the bottom of the standings.
2) If your team is fortunate enough to move on, you are going to play two games (assuming a 3rd place game exists*) at the conference tourney.

* I don't think the third place game at the conference level is a problem from a goonery stand point. Unless there are major first round upsets, the teams in the 3rd place game will likely be on the NCAA bubble and will want that extra win in nearly every case. (Yes, I'm sure there are some examples where it could hurt a team to play that game, but that's the minority). Also knowing you will see your team play two games, rather than the one-n-done Tech has had the last couple times at the Final Five, I think would help encourage more fans to attend knowing you will at least get a weekend of hockey even if you don't win the semi-game. And lastly if the WCHA is so strapped for cash, why not have another game. Even if only a few thousand show up for the game, you've likely rolled the price of their ticket into a four-game package for most folks, so they've "paid" whether they attend or not.

Ryan J

 

[Bale]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

The only thing I have heard differently is that the four teams at the Xcel split the profits from the tournament, the Gophers keep the revenue from the games at Mariucci, and whoever hosts the Gophers gets to keep their revenues.

Of course if all profits go into a pot and then are split between all five teams, we could possibly see some "creative" accounting practices pop up!

Sorry, I wrote that confusingly. I meant that the revenues from the MN Cup would be split. Just assumed that those revs would be between the 5, but you're probably correct.

 

[aparch]

Even if only a few thousand show up for the game, you've likely rolled the price of their ticket into a four-game package for most folks, so they've "paid" whether they attend or not.

Ryan J

I present to you the CCHA Championship format as exhibit A for ticketing. One ticket covers both games for that day. Unlike the WCHA Final Five ticketing.

 

[Squarebanks]

If that happened (and I think the whole scenario is in left field) my guess is we would go to club status, after maybe a couple years wandering the desert as an independent.

I'm not suggesting that the NCAA will or should eliminate the Alaska/Hawaii exemption; nor am I suggesting that the nWCHA will or should move to expel UAF and UAA...but if that DID happen and the Alaska schools did try to bring some sort of suit for "geographical discrimination" the suit would be laughed out of court before the ink was dry.

You are delusional. End of story.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

How do you get them to? That's a question that shouldn't even be asked. It's this inability to understand the basic inequity that pervades people from the continguous US. Alaska and Hawaii are fully fledged states. What part of that don't you get? UAA and UAF travel down to play your schools without ever moaning and biatching and demanding subsidies and compensation. You think that it's ok because you cannot think outside your little regionalistic predispositions. When the "enlightened" likewise parrot such shallow thinking (i.e... all your universities act unfairly) then it's no surprise that boobs on a hockey forum don't effing get it.

Ah so other schools should just spend $30,000 of their limited budgets to come to Alaska because "it's only fair" or "it's the right thing to do." I am Mr. Roarke, your host. Welcome to Fantasy Island.

I love the great state of Alabama. Lived there for several years. Can't wait to get me some Dreamland BBQ. But would I have voted to include Huntsville without travel subsidy? Not a chance. The costs far outweigh the benefits. The same for Fairbanks and Anchorage. Great schools. Good programs. Good fans. Good cities. But if I can take my team to Duluth or Western Michigan for $8,000, why would I spend $30,000 to go to Alaska or $22,000 to go to Huntsville? Region has nothing to do with it. Expense does. It's no different than the reason that Northern Michigan doesn't go to Cal-State Chico for volleyball or play football in a conference with North Alabama. Two reasons and two reasons only. Dollars and cents.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Ah so other schools should just spend $30,000 of their limited budgets to come to Alaska because "it's only fair" or "it's the right thing to do." I am Mr. Roarke, your host. Welcome to Fantasy Island.

I love the great state of Alabama. Lived there for several years. Can't wait to get me some Dreamland BBQ. But would I have voted to include Huntsville without travel subsidy? Not a chance. The costs far outweigh the benefits. The same for Fairbanks and Anchorage. Great schools. Good programs. Good fans. Good cities. But if I can take my team to Duluth or Western Michigan for $8,000, why would I spend $30,000 to go to Alaska or $22,000 to go to Huntsville? Region has nothing to do with it. Expense does. It's no different than the reason that Northern Michigan doesn't go to Cal-State Chico for volleyball or play football in a conference with North Alabama. Two reasons and two reasons only. Dollars and cents.

Funny that Alabama-Huntsville, UAF and UAA are completely willing to incur those expenses isn't it? I guess they are just more committed than your ****e-school to playing the sport. Perhaps all these unwilling schools shouldn't be participating in NCAA sports if the expenses incurred doing so are such a burden for them. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. UAA, UAF and Alabama-Huntsville's commitment to the sport is obviously to be respected and hailed. Your school's lack of commitment is a shame upon sport and the fair-play of same. Horrendous is the only word that comes to mind to describe such an attitude. "We want to play sports but do it on the cheap". Well no worry, your school is in a situation where not only does it get a guarantee of cheap travel (costs them no more to go to Fairbanks than it would to go to Mankato) but it gets 2 more days of gate revenue which likely means an excess of $200,000 to their coffers ensuring a competitive advantage so that when you are forced to travel once to Alaska you do so with a team partially built with those funds. Ironic eh? Keep touting your hegemonic advantages.

 

[UncleRay]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Funny that Alabama-Huntsville, UAF and UAA are completely willing to incur those expenses isn't it? I guess they are just more committed than your ****e-school to playing the sport. Perhaps all these unwilling schools shouldn't be participating in NCAA sports if the expenses incurred doing so are such a burden for them. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. UAA, UAF and Alabama-Huntsville's commitment to the sport is obviously to be respected and hailed. Your school's lack of commitment is a shame upon sport and the fair-play of same. Horrendous is the only word that comes to mind to describe such an attitude. "We want to play sports but do it on the cheap". Well no worry, your school is in a situation where not only does it get a guarantee of cheap travel (costs them no more to go to Fairbanks than it would to go to Mankato) but it gets 2 more days of gate revenue which likely means an excess of $200,000 to their coffers ensuring a competitive advantage so that when you are forced to travel once to Alaska you do so with a team partially built with those funds. Ironic eh? Keep touting your hegemonic advantages.

I agree with you. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. The reality of geography is that closer is cheaper, and cheaper is better. Here's a Kleenex for you.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

I agree with you. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. The reality of geography is that closer is cheaper, and cheaper is better. Here's a Kleenex for you.

The reality of amateur NCAA sports is fairplay. Now ... you and I both know that the NCAA is full of bs and unfair competition. Just the recruiting process itself is antithetical to fairplay and leads to hegemony. But such reality doesn't preclude noting here that schools in a conference with UAA and UAF who subsidize travel are feeding at the trough of largess by gaining extra home dates that fill their coffers with loads of money. They are double-dipping at UAA and UAF's expense. What am I supposed to do? Sit back and be happy that somebody invited UAA and UAF to come to a party where they end up having to bring all the refreshments? Hells no.

UAA and UAF should lobby the NCAA to drop the Alaska/Hawaii Exemption. All the schools in the nWCHA are being adequately compensated for ANY potential travel loss without giving them the extra two home games. Their compensation is wholly and fully (and ridiculously) out of context to the difficulties they incur as a result of traveling to Alaska ONCE. Their travel costs are no more than they would be to any other opponent.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

The reality of amateur NCAA sports is fairplay. Now ... you and I both know that the NCAA is full of bs and unfair competition. Just the recruiting process itself is antithetical to fairplay and leads to hegemony. But such reality doesn't preclude noting here that schools in a conference with UAA and UAF who subsidize travel are feeding at the trough of largess by gaining extra home dates that fill their coffers with loads of money. They are double-dipping at UAA and UAF's expense. What am I supposed to do? Sit back and be happy that somebody invited UAA and UAF to come to a party where they end up having to bring all the refreshments? Hells no.

UAA and UAF should lobby the NCAA to drop the Alaska/Hawaii Exemption. All the schools in the nWCHA are being adequately compensated for ANY potential travel loss without giving them the extra two home games. Their compensation is wholly and fully (and ridiculously) out of context to the difficulties they incur as a result of traveling to Alaska ONCE. Their travel costs are no more than they would be to any other opponent.

That is not true. Their travel costs are not any more than the most expense trip besides UAA, UAF, UAH....not the same thing

 

[potternmu]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Funny that Alabama-Huntsville, UAF and UAA are completely willing to incur those expenses isn't it? I guess they are just more committed than your ****e-school to playing the sport. Perhaps all these unwilling schools shouldn't be participating in NCAA sports if the expenses incurred doing so are such a burden for them. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. UAA, UAF and Alabama-Huntsville's commitment to the sport is obviously to be respected and hailed. Your school's lack of commitment is a shame upon sport and the fair-play of same. Horrendous is the only word that comes to mind to describe such an attitude. "We want to play sports but do it on the cheap". Well no worry, your school is in a situation where not only does it get a guarantee of cheap travel (costs them no more to go to Fairbanks than it would to go to Mankato) but it gets 2 more days of gate revenue which likely means an excess of $200,000 to their coffers ensuring a competitive advantage so that when you are forced to travel once to Alaska you do so with a team partially built with those funds. Ironic eh? Keep touting your hegemonic advantages.

Are you really Boot_Walt_Kyle under a pseudonym?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Are you really Boot_Walt_Kyle under a pseudonym?

He's more like UAA's answer to Old Pio.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Funny that Alabama-Huntsville, UAF and UAA are completely willing to incur those expenses isn't it? I guess they are just more committed than your ****e-school to playing the sport. Perhaps all these unwilling schools shouldn't be participating in NCAA sports if the expenses incurred doing so are such a burden for them. Any and every school that isn't willing to work within the reality of geography should indeed quit sponsoring sports. UAA, UAF and Alabama-Huntsville's commitment to the sport is obviously to be respected and hailed. Your school's lack of commitment is a shame upon sport and the fair-play of same. Horrendous is the only word that comes to mind to describe such an attitude. "We want to play sports but do it on the cheap". Well no worry, your school is in a situation where not only does it get a guarantee of cheap travel (costs them no more to go to Fairbanks than it would to go to Mankato) but it gets 2 more days of gate revenue which likely means an excess of $200,000 to their coffers ensuring a competitive advantage so that when you are forced to travel once to Alaska you do so with a team partially built with those funds. Ironic eh? Keep touting your hegemonic advantages.

$200,000?????? I'm not sure where you get your figures, but you are off. Waaaaayyyyyy off. Minnesota or Michigan may generate that kind of revenue from an additional home series each year, but for a Bemidji, NMU or Ferris, you'd be lucky to generate one quarter of that once every three years.

 

[Dirty]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Have no fear donald, Kurt Haider is putting his foot down and showing solidarity with your beliefs. It'll spread before you know it and the nWCHA schools will give up the travel subsidy just to keep the Alaska schools in the conference.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

What am I supposed to do? Sit back and be happy that somebody invited UAA and UAF to come to a party where they end up having to bring all the refreshments? Hells no.

I'd like to remind you that the party you've been providing refreshments for dispersed, and the not quite as cool kids are the only ones who will continue to party with you.

So go ahead and take your refreshments and go home, no ones inviting you to any new parties.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Time to kill this thread.