The new Super League is going down the tubes.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Totally see your point.

but.

People outside of the US have heard of Notre Dame. Good, bad, or ugly.

I dunno..... Hope for the best, for sure.

That does not even address that most seasons, only two of these teams will be dancing, two will be mid-packers, and finals will have to wallow in the sludge. Name those teams. (the B10 has the exact same problem, too) A 16 team tournament with the ECAC, HE, Atlantic, CCHA, WCHA, B10, and NCHC all getting auto bids (did I miss any?) makes it hard to get the rest. Especially if the remaining conferences fracture more.

I don't see the National (apparently that is the nickname for the conference...whatever) getting on Versus without Notre Dame.

As for only 2 teams getting in, we'll have to see how it shakes out. I'm thinking that probably 3 from HE, B1G and the National will make it most years, with probably two bids going to the ECAC, and then one apiece from the Atlantic, CCHA and WCHA. That leaves two bids to be divided between the seven conferences, although I don't see the B1G or the National getting more than half the conference in the NCAA Tournament on a normal basis.

 

[Priceless]

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[JF_Gophers]

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I wouldn't separate OSU/MSU, I don't have much faith in a league commissioner having success... I'll bet you right now that the B1G standings don't end like that...

PSU won't be 6th?

 

[alfablue]

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I don't see the National (apparently that is the nickname for the conference...whatever) getting on Versus without Notre Dame.

And VS = NBC. So maybe that's why they mentioned a Versus deal in the first place.... Just to make Notre Dame perk and ear.

 

[dggoddard]

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And VS = NBC. So maybe that's why they mentioned a Versus deal in the first place.... Just to make Notre Dame perk and ear.

More than likely Notre Dame got them in contact with the NBC "consultants."

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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And VS = NBC. So maybe that's why they mentioned a Versus deal in the first place.... Just to make Notre Dame perk and ear.

Definitely a possibility. Also, Comcast owns NBC, and DG had a good post on his blog about all the media connections that the National has. It really does make you think that something will happen, but I'm not going to get my hopes up until I sit down and turn on Versus and see North Dakota @ Miami on. We'll see. At this point, there is so much up in the air that anything can happen.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I don't see the National (apparently that is the nickname for the conference...whatever) getting on Versus without Notre Dame.

As for only 2 teams getting in, we'll have to see how it shakes out. I'm thinking that probably 3 from HE, B1G and the National will make it most years, with probably two bids going to the ECAC, and then one apiece from the Atlantic, CCHA and WCHA. That leaves two bids to be divided between the seven conferences, although I don't see the B1G or the National getting more than half the conference in the NCAA Tournament on a normal basis.

IF done correctly, the WCHA should be able to stay even with the ECAC and pretty much put 2 teams in the NCAAs every year. Otherwise I agree with your assessment.

 

[davyd83]

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Exactly. When March 2014 rolls around, there might be some coaches/ad's second guessing this whole thing. Perhaps a school like Anchorage or Tech will hoist the MacNaughton and play in the NCAA Tournament while Denver or UND will be wondering how they went 13-24-2 and finished 5th in conference

Last year all six of these teams made the NCAA. You'll never ever see that again, even getting 3 there will be tough. No one from the group of Mankato, Bemidji, Anchorage, Fairbanks, St Cloud, Tech, NMU, Ferris, LSSU or Bowling Green made it. Yet it is very likely that at least two of them will be dancing in 2014, unless a second comes from might-be-added-to-the-CCHA teams like Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris or Huntsville. There might even be a 3rd from that group.

 

[dggoddard]

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Last year all six of these teams made the NCAA. You'll never ever see that again, even getting 3 there will be tough. No one from the group of Mankato, Bemidji, Anchorage, Fairbanks, St Cloud, Tech, NMU, Ferris, LSSU or Bowling Green made it. Yet it is very likely that at least two of them will be dancing in 2014, unless a second comes from might-be-added-to-the-CCHA teams like Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris or Huntsville. There might even be a 3rd from that group.

Just as an FYI.

Four ACC teams play NCAA D-1 Lacrosse. All four teams made the NCAA Tournament this year. Three of the four made the Lax Final Four. No ACC team lost a game in the tournament except to another ACC team.

11 of 16 Big East teams made the Hoops Tourney.

Never assume that you can predict how Pairwise will shake out. Especially if teams are in 6 team conferences with 14 non-conference games. Things could get wacky in a hurry.

Pairwise has has built in advantages to "power conferences."

 

[stuckinwi]

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Last year all six of these teams made the NCAA. You'll never ever see that again, even getting 3 there will be tough. No one from the group of Mankato, Bemidji, Anchorage, Fairbanks, St Cloud, Tech, NMU, Ferris, LSSU or Bowling Green made it. Yet it is very likely that at least two of them will be dancing in 2014, unless a second comes from might-be-added-to-the-CCHA teams like Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris or Huntsville. There might even be a 3rd from that group.

And oh my will the whining be loud....

 

[bronconick]

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Just as an FYI.

Four ACC teams play NCAA D-1 Lacrosse. All four teams made the NCAA Tournament this year. Three of the four made the Lax Final Four. No ACC team lost a game in the tournament except to another ACC team.

11 of 16 Big East teams made the Hoops Tourney.

Never assume that you can predict how Pairwise will shake out. Especially if teams are in 6 team conferences with 14 non-conference games. Things could get wacky in a hurry.

Pairwise has has built in advantages to "power conferences."

That's cute. You think a ACC lacrosse conference that plays roughly 20% of their total games within the conference is comparable to a hockey league that will play at least ~55% of their games in conference.

 

[dggoddard]

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Fair enough.

Explain the Big East. 18 out of 34 games were conference games. 69% of the teams in the conference made the Tourney.

I think we can all agree that basketball has more regular season upsets than college hockey.

To sit there and say that there's "no way" that 4, 5 or even 6 teams couldn't make the Tournament under the right circumstances is silly.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Fair enough.

Explain the Big East. 18 out of 34 games were conference games. 69% of the teams in the conference made the Tourney.

I think we can all agree that basketball has more regular season upsets than college hockey.

To sit there and say that there's "no way" that 4, 5 or even 6 teams couldn't make the Tournament under the right circumstances is silly.

The difference is Basketball is a smoke filled room...the interesting dynamic in all of this is the new found # of non-conference games for the smaller conferences. B1G, NCHC will be looking at 20-24 conference games, WCHA, CCHA will be somewhere between 20 and the current 28 depending on membership. Will be interesting to see if the WCHA gets to 8 teams, if they choose to do the balanced schedule or not...

 

[SJHovey]

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Fair enough.

Explain the Big East. 18 out of 34 games were conference games. 69% of the teams in the conference made the Tourney.

I think we can all agree that basketball has more regular season upsets than college hockey.

To sit there and say that there's "no way" that 4, 5 or even 6 teams couldn't make the Tournament under the right circumstances is silly.

I don't know. Let's assume 7 leagues when this all shakes out. Smaller conferences makes it easier for an upset (fewer games you have to win) in the conference tourneys.

With the way it is now you pretty much have to be a top 12 pairwise team to give yourself some breathing room. I could easily see that down in the 9-10 range 2 years from now.

Four teams will be possible. 5, maybe. Would take some really crazy outcomes to get all 6 in, for any conference.

 

[dggoddard]

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I don't know. Let's assume 7 leagues when this all shakes out. Smaller conferences makes it easier for an upset (fewer games you have to win) in the conference tourneys.

With the way it is now you pretty much have to be a top 12 pairwise team to give yourself some breathing room. I could easily see that down in the 9-10 range 2 years from now.

Four teams will be possible. 5, maybe. Would take some really crazy outcomes to get all 6 in, for any conference.

True. But if I gave you $1. Would you wager 1,000,000 to 1 that the Big Ten or NCHC would never get 6 teams in?

If the 6th place team won the conference Tourney...then only five teams would need to get in via Pairwise.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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True. But if I gave you $1. Would you wager 1,000,000 to 1 that the Big Ten or NCHC would never get 6 teams in?

as long as those conferences remain at 6 teams? I would most certainly bet that they never got in all 6...the Big East didn't get EVERYONE in...there is always a whipping boy...

 

[Priceless]

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True. But if I gave you $1. Would you wager 1,000,000 to 1 that the Big Ten or NCHC would never get 6 teams in?

Yes.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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True. But if I gave you $1. Would you wager 1,000,000 to 1 that the Big Ten or NCHC would never get 6 teams in?

If the 6th place team won the conference Tourney...then only five teams would need to get in via Pairwise.

Go do some research and find an example where 6 teams in the were all above .500 after you remove every game against the bottom 4-6 teams...I doubt its ever happen.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I don't know. Let's assume 7 leagues when this all shakes out. Smaller conferences makes it easier for an upset (fewer games you have to win) in the conference tourneys.

With the way it is now you pretty much have to be a top 12 pairwise team to give yourself some breathing room. I could easily see that down in the 9-10 range 2 years from now.

Four teams will be possible. 5, maybe. Would take some really crazy outcomes to get all 6 in, for any conference.

It would literally take the 6th place team finishing 0-20 in conference play, and then 1st-5th would have to be somewhere between 16-4 and 8-12. That would give final standings something along the lines of:
1st - 16-4
2nd - 14-6
3rd - 12-8
4th - 10-10
5th - 8-12
6th - 0-20

1st-3rd would all have to have very respectable OOC records (something along the lines of 10-4 or so), and then 4th and 5th would have to have GREAT OOC records (ie 13-1, 14-0) and also have those games be against the right teams. Given all that, then the 0-20 6th place team would have to win the conference tournament, knocking out the 3rd, 2nd and 1st place teams in doing so, as defeating the 4th and 5th place teams could knock them out of the PWR.

Possible? Yes
Remotely Likely? No

I think 3 will be the norm for the B1G and the National, and on rare occasions a fourth team, or only two.

 

[dggoddard]

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Go do some research and find an example where 6 teams in the were all above .500 after you remove every game against the bottom 4-6 teams...I doubt its ever happen.

No thanks. Just offering hypothectical situations about the Pairwise.

Any formula that says Yale is the #1 team in the country all season long is seriously flawed.