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The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care

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I know that one is not supposed to exercise logic when it comes to these kind of movies, but I am puzzled by something. In one of the movies we are told that there are only two Sith lords, the master and the apprentice. Palpatine and Vader / Anakin were both killed on the Death Star at the end of Return of the Jedi. So where does the Sith in episode 7 come from??
Yoda states that there are only ever two Sith lords at one time, but the Sith themselves never state it. Maybe the Sith accolytes only ever make two of them known to the Jedi at a single moment in time. Perhaps the Force seeks to balance itself by always spawning new Jedi or Sith when one side grows too strong over the other. We don't really know. Lucas even defies that logic by having the Emporer use Vader to try to convert Luke so that there would be three Sith ruling the galaxy rather than two in Return of the Jedi. If somebody out there knew the rule, it would be the Emporer. The new film might address that or just make people accept that the new Sith just came into being. Maybe they'll address it in the new series of books being written that Lucas Films Story Team (I think that's the full name) has stated will be considered Star Wars canon.
 
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I dunno what those numbers mean, but Jedi was the worst of all 6 released. Yeah, I said it.


Empire was obviously the best but Revenge of the Sith was pretty darn solid.

IV, A+
V, B
VI, C-
I, F
II and III, unknown but from everything I've heard, Fs
 
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I think the "Master and Apprentice" means more that you can not have a Sith Academy like you do the Jedi. It is closer to how Obiwon taught Anakin. That doesnt mean there isnt more Masters out there. (if you read the Lucas approved books, there was some sort of Sith revolt or something that caused the Rule of Two)

Also remember not all dark Jedi are considered Sith. Sith is like a religious cult IIRC.

And Empire is way better than A New Hope. It isnt even close...
 
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I think the "Master and Apprentice" means more that you can not have a Sith Academy like you do the Jedi. It is closer to how Obiwon taught Anakin. That doesnt mean there isnt more Masters out there. (if you read the Lucas approved books, there was some sort of Sith revolt or something that caused the Rule of Two)

Also remember not all dark Jedi are considered Sith. Sith is like a religious cult IIRC.

And Empire is way better than A New Hope. It isnt even close...
Lucas Films has declared that the old books are no longer considered relevant, they were moved into a "Legends" category, stories parents in a galaxy far, far away tell their broodlings. Only the books released starting this late summer/early fall are given any consideration. Although, when reading these latest two, they use a lot of terms and species traits written in those >160 Legends books.
 
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:D

He is the best...


Can Jon Oliver do a daily show on CC and still do the HBO thing?

I don't think so. I would rather he stay on HBO. They give zero fks. Comedy Central has censored south Park before.
 
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I don't think so. I would rather he stay on HBO. They give zero fks. Comedy Central has censored south Park before.

Agree. Oliver says some unbelievably subversive stuff.
 
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Comedy Central also has sponsors to worry about. HBO? *laughs*
 
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Lucas Films has declared that the old books are no longer considered relevant.

Hmm... I remember reading the "official" episodes 7, 8, and 9 years ago. I guess they have revoked that status, then.

Potential spoilers in white, though maybe not any more:

Leia and Han get married (duh!) and have twins who are force sensitive. The Empire, although it lost the Emperor, doesn't completely surrender, their is a rump force that fights on and there is an admiral who is a brilliant tactician who is nearly impossible to defeat. Someone gets ahold of the clone-making equipment and clones Luke and turns the clone to the Dark Side (J'orus C'both??) Luke has to fight his clone self.

I was looking around for those books today so that I could cite author and title but apparently they are now in boxes and I don't want to rummage through them.
 
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Hmm... I remember reading the "official" episodes 7, 8, and 9 years ago. I guess they have revoked that status, then.

Potential spoilers in white, though maybe not any more:

I was looking around for those books today so that I could cite author and title but apparently they are now in boxes and I don't want to rummage through them.[/COLOR]

Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command, all three were written by Timothy Zahn, released in 1991, 92, and 93. While it's credited as the series to begin the Star Wars Expanded Universe, there was another book written prior to the release of The Empire Strikes Back by another author, but it wasn't very good. The Zahn books, AKA, the Thrawn Trilogy, were very good at capturing the mood and characters of the original three movies.

From Wiki on the EU stories being tossed in the dust bin:

Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm[edit]After Lucasfilm was purchased by The Walt Disney Company on October 30, 2012, it was decided that a sequel trilogy would be made. These movies will not tell stories of the Expanded Universe, and instead be completely original stories. On April 25, 2014, it was revealed that existing EU material would be republished under a new banner, Star Wars Legends. Also, a new line of EU material would be published by Disney Publishing Worldwide, starting with Star Wars: A New Dawn by John Jackson Miller, a prequel to the upcoming TV show, Star Wars Rebels. This would be followed by Star Wars: Tarkin by James Luceno, Star Wars: Heir to the Jedi by Kevin Hearne, and Star Wars: Lords of the Sith by Paul S. Kemp. To ensure continuity within the Expanded Universe going forth, a close story group has been formed by Lucasfilm to watch over all Star Wars development.
 
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Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command, all three were written by Timothy Zahn, released in 1991, 92, and 93.... The Zahn books, AKA, the Thrawn Trilogy, were very good at capturing the mood and characters of the original three movies.

Yes, those are the three. I agree that they were very good in the way you describe.


There also were several "young adult" series written for Scholastic Books by Jude Watson that were quite good, IMHO:
- Jedi Apprentice series of Obi-wan's apprenticeship with Qui-Gon Jinn.
- Jedi Quest series of Anakin Skywalker at the Jedi Academy
- The Last of the Jedi series, set between the end of Revenge of the Sith and the beginning of A New Hope,about Obi-wan's attempt to save the other Jedi that survived Order 66 (Ferus Olin, who was an apprentice along with Anakin in the Jedi Quest series).

My children were in middle school back then and we had a custom in which I'd read aloud to them on school nights at bedtime that carried over from their younger years.
 
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I guess I am in a minority in that I liked Phantom Menace (except for Jar-Jar Binks, of course. Those scenes I'd delete if I could).

I'll take Jar-Jar over C-3P0 any day. Any. Day.
 
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Sorry, but C-3P0 is a whiny little beech than grates on me to no end. Always has, always will, even when I was a kid. I get that Jar-Jar was a "replacement" for him, and while annoying, he wasn't THAT annoying in comparison.
 
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Sorry, but C-3P0 is a whiny little beech than grates on me to no end. Always has, always will, even when I was a kid. I get that Jar-Jar was a "replacement" for him, and while annoying, he wasn't THAT annoying in comparison.

except for the one scene in Return of the Jedi in which C3PO tells the Ewoks the story of the battle, that was pretty well done.

it is annoying to me how "they" feel they had to tie everything together, too. So 9-year old Anakin builds C3PO? and is an ace pod-racer pilot too?
 
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Sorry, but C-3P0 is a whiny little beech than grates on me to no end. Always has, always will, even when I was a kid.

I always felt that way, too.
Brent, you know you're wrong when Kepler agrees with you in the realm of movies and TV show. :D


I don't know anyone who likes the lines C-3PO's given for purely comedic purposes, but he's far less annoying than Jar Jar for the simple fact that there are also moments when he's funny because it's situationally relevant. A droid spitting out probabilities of surviving an asteroid field while the pilot is evading capture/death, that's funny because it fits the moment. A droid forgetting that it turned off the comlink, that's not funny and it just wouldn't ever happen.
 
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Cleanskin

Sean Bean is in it. Gave it a watch just on that. About Muslim extremism and bombings of London. Spy thriller.

It was okay. A good time-passer, but nothing outstanding.
 
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Did he die well?
 
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