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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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Kepler said:
I'm not sure we really need to project seapower into the Black Sea anymore. The Sixth Fleet can pretty much hit anything in the Caucasus from anchor off Naples, and the food is better.
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I'm not saying it's necessarily a current need, just that I suspect that it was a perceived benefit at the time Turkey was admitted.
 
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Craig P. said:
I'm not saying it's necessarily a current need, just that I suspect that it was a perceived benefit at the time Turkey was admitted.
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As a way to grind Ivan's gears, yeah, I can see that.
 
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Kepler said:
This is correct. Lynah makes things that fly, fly. I make his things that fly make other things go boom.

Together we are basically the entire US economy except for lawn chairs and Cheetos. So be nice.
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I like to think of it as I make the guns, Kepler makes the bullets. Shoot 'em up, baby!

(in particular, I work on technologies to improve the energy efficiency of aircraft, so that's the tie-in to my interest in energy topics)
 
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LynahFan said:
I like to think of it as I make the guns, Kepler makes the bullets. Shoot 'em up, baby!

(in particular, I work on technologies to improve the energy efficiency of aircraft, so that's the tie-in to my interest in energy topics)
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I knew it. You're one of them pinko commie tree huggers.
 
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So, here's what I've heard since yesterday.

Asaad escalated his bombings against his enemies.
ISIS is almost assured taking over Kobani.
Turkey won't join unless the US takes out Asaad.
Jimmy Carter has called Obama a *****.
We have not gone all out with the airstrikes and even Carter wants boots on the ground.

IIRC Syria is a Russian/Iran ally?

Armageddon here we come. And if not the Trillions we can pump into there nation building that turd of a country is unmeasurable.

Wheeeeeee.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, here's what I've heard since yesterday.

Asaad escalated his bombings against his enemies.
ISIS is almost assured taking over Kobani.
Turkey won't join unless the US takes out Asaad.
Jimmy Carter has called Obama a *****.
We have not gone all out with the airstrikes and even Carter wants boots on the ground.

IIRC Syria is a Russian/Iran ally?

Armageddon here we come. And if not the Trillions we can pump into there nation building that turd of a country is unmeasurable.

Wheeeeeee.
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Something like that. Kinda makes one not want to know what's in store for today!

Turkey really comes off this looking awful. Apparently they not only won't lift a finger militarily, but they are blocking the Kurds in Iraq from sending in supplies through Turkey to Kobane. Given that Turkey controls the only entrance to Kobane not in ISIS hands, Turkey is sealing the fate of Kobane and should shoulder a large amount of blame for those who will lose their lives in Kobane once ISIS completes its conquest.

I'm not an Obama fan, obviously, but at this point I'm not sure what a good stance going forward is. It's really tough to sit on the sidelines while humanitarian disasters unfold before your eyes. But it's also hard to stop them from happening. I wonder if we could at least air drop in military supplies to the defenders or something like that?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Considering Fearless Leader should've had his pick of available ladies, I think she's rather homely.
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The woman is his sister, not his wife or girlfriend (most would hope). Given how homely his father and grandfather were, there's only so much that a woman's hotness can overcome in the breeding process.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Turkey really comes off this looking awful. Apparently they not only won't lift a finger militarily, but they are blocking the Kurds in Iraq from sending in supplies through Turkey to Kobane. Given that Turkey controls the only entrance to Kobane not in ISIS hands, Turkey is sealing the fate of Kobane and should shoulder a large amount of blame for those who will lose their lives in Kobane once ISIS completes its conquest.
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CBC ran a really interesting interview this morning with the Turkish ambassador to Canada (yes, there is such a person). The interviewer was relentless, and she was obviously prepared for the official Turkish government (can we bring back The Porte? That was a such a cool name.) position, as she parried every deflection and forced the line of inquiry back to the point again and again. The interview also ran, without commentary or interruption, for over a half hour. It was actual journalism -- something we haven't seen here in 30 years.

It was pretty much obvious that Turkey just can't pivot away from viewing the PKK as the enemy. Kobane has always been fertile recruiting group for the PKK, so Erdoğan is letting ISIS take care of his problem for him all the while protesting that his hands are tied. I guess the analogy would be what if ISIS was bearing down on an Iranian city on the Afghan border on the other side of which we had 2 divisions lined up and ready to go. Would we do anything to help?
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'm not an Obama fan, obviously, but at this point I'm not sure what a good stance going forward is. It's really tough to sit on the sidelines while humanitarian disasters unfold before your eyes. But it's also hard to stop them from happening. I wonder if we could at least air drop in military supplies to the defenders or something like that?
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There are humanitarian crises going on all over the world at this minute. How do we decide that the people of this town are more worthy than groups of people elsewhere? Humanitarian issues created by foreign powers on their own people are not reason enough to get involved in a war. We've mostly ignored Africa over the past 15 years because there was nothing for us to gain. We're already taking action against ISIS via air raids. We can only control so much.
 
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St. Clown said:
The woman is his sister, not his wife or girlfriend (most would hope). Given how homely his father and grandfather were, there's only so much that a woman's hotness can overcome in the breeding process.
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Yeah I know, I was referring to his late father. And you're probably right.
 
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St. Clown said:
There are humanitarian crises going on all over the world at this minute. How do we decide that the people of this town are more worthy than groups of people elsewhere? Humanitarian issues created by foreign powers on their own people are not reason enough to get involved in a war. We've mostly ignored Africa over the past 15 years because there was nothing for us to gain. We're already taking action against ISIS via air raids. We can only control so much.
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I think part of it is how big of a humanitarian disaster a situation turns out to be. You have a situation like what happened in Rwanda, where people didn't intervene and it turned into a huge thing, then you have other situations with the potential to turn into a big mess, but they don't. And in the heat of the moment, forecasting which ones turn into really big messes is far from an exact science. If ISIS does go into Kobane and slaughter tens or hundreds of thousands, which given how ISIS operates, is a possibility, there will be a ton of handwringing about why everybody didn't do more. I agree we can only do so much, especially given that most of the rest of the world has little interest in helping out in potential humanitarian disasters. How much we should do is hard to say.
 
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