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The D-III National Championship - St. Norbert vs. Norwich

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What a game! Congratulations to Norwich - they deserved to win this game.

I thought SNC played the type of game they needed to to win, but when it didn't happen in regulation (Klingensmith came up big a couple of times in the 2nd and 3rd) I could tell SNC was in trouble.

Norwich has some incredible talent and was able to overcome the positioning and determination of SNC.

Both teams will continue to have a large say in D3 championships for years to come.

-Matt
 
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Really. Very simple... The best team one. If not for their goalie it would have ended in reg...

Ironically a lot of people were saying the same thing about Klingensmith late last night and today after the game he had against Plattsburgh or really all year. I watched the game on CBS College and the team that wanted it more won. These teams matched up evenly in my opinion, I was there for the game against Oswego and the Lakers out shot them also but the difference was I think they blocked more against Oswego then they did against Norwich. I know some are not going to agree with me on that but oh well that's my opinion :D
 
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Now that I've had a few minutes to digest this, here's my take. SNC was the best of the West...Norwich was the best of the East. Either team would have been a worthy Champion. Norwich may have gotten 73 SOG, but there were probably only 30 or so that were real scoring chances. Norbert's defense was great in keeping the Cadets at long range. The Norwich defense, without Tallent, was OUTSTANDING keeping SNC in the neutral zone, and Klinger was up to the task against the, maybe, 20 serious threats that SNC put on him.
O'Brien keep the Green Knights in the game throughout. I believe that the outcome was due to conditioning, Norwich had more in their tank in the two overtimes than did SNC. A great game, an instant classic. Now, if the Norwich Women win, does anybody know a good screenwriter?
 
Re: The D-III National Championship - St. Norbert vs. Norwich

Now that I've had a few minutes to digest this, here's my take. SNC was the best of the West...Norwich was the best of the East. Either team would have been a worthy Champion. Norwich may have gotten 73 SOG, but there were probably only 30 or so that were real scoring chances. Norbert's defense was great in keeping the Cadets at long range. The Norwich defense, without Tallent, was OUTSTANDING keeping SNC in the neutral zone, and Klinger was up to the task against the, maybe, 20 serious threats that SNC put on him.
O'Brien keep the Green Knights in the game throughout. I believe that the outcome was due to conditioning, Norwich had more in their tank in the two overtimes than did SNC. A great game, an instant classic. Now, if the Norwich Women win, does anybody know a good screenwriter?
Last I looked Amherst was up on Norwich 3-0

Anyone get the number of Grade A chances for both teams????
 
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Really. Very simple... The best team one. If not for their goalie it would have ended in reg...
Well yes, a hockey game without a goalie would look very different.

But last I checked, goalies were part of the team. And the defense clearing out rebounds, keeping shots to the outside, and cutting down on good scoring chances (but not shots) were also part of the game.

It's not exactly a game of just throwing the puck on net as often as you can and hoping it goes in. Different strategies, styles, and philosophies will alter the way the game is played. Against Oswego, SNC's strategy worked perfectly, against Norwich, they weren't able to generate enough offense to outscore the cadets.

Again though - in a game that nearly went into triple overtime - I do not understand how anyone could clearly state that one team was clearly better and the other was basically 'just lucky to be there'.
 
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Great game boys and it was well worth the trip this weekend to see you play and hoist the prize. Klinger you came up with the big saves when you needed. Congratulations and I look forward to the next 3 seasons with this freshman class:) :)
 
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Norwich is indeed a great team, can't say I know anything about their tender after our dismal shot count. They are going to be good the next few years with these young underclassmen. (Written during Primelink tourney in November)

Your nose looks pretty brown there.

Was it brown nosing, or just calling it like I observed? Hmmmmmmm ;)

Not surprised to see Norwich win it all this year. They we're great when we faced them in the Primelink and they obviously only went up from there. I remember talking with Crosby on how good the Cadets looked, and how good they will continue to be. What a great freshmen class at Norwich, I can' wait to see them develop even more in the coming seasons.

Congrats Norwich! First-class program and a well deserved championship. We haven't seen the last of you in the near future I'm sure.

Also congrats to SNC! They represented the west with pride and I'm proud of their post-season accomplishments. Sad not to have the hardware in the cheese, but a great showing is a very close second. Thanks Green Knights!
 
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Oh give me a break. :rolleyes:

The game lasts almost 100 minutes, and you can clearly say one team was 'definitely the best'? Really?

Actually, yes - SOGs were 72 - 34 - Norwich did dominate the ice today rather completely. SNC played a great game in terms of strategy and execution but Norwich was, IMO, the better team tonight. But that's hardly the issue - this was just about the best D3 game I have ever seen in terms of sustained effort by both teams - look how long it took for Norwich to find that little spot to end the game even though it was obvious that Norwich had the legs and the territorial advantage.
 
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As far as the game...bummer. I'm not sure why they just sat back and played for the big mistake. The strategy made Norwich look like the much better team. I knew there was a reason I hated Norwich.

Comments like yours make it very easy for us Cadet fans to be smug, ingracious winners. But we will not. Congrats to both teams, and hail to the new champions! GO WICK!!
 
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What a tremendous weekend of hockey! It was obvious that all four teams deserved to be there, every game pretty much down to the wire, with the team that played the better game winning in all cases, what could be better than that. Congratulations to all the players, and thanks for the incredible show!:D :D :D
 
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Having said that A for the Norwich fans...they were on their feet early and often...D- for the person in attendence (dont even want to call him a fan) for going into the Plattsburgh crowd, or crowd in general and waving your school flag in peoples faces. Yes I've been hit with our own PSU flag, but Tim never whipes it around like this person was doing.

I would have to agree with you about waving a flag in opposing teams face is uncalled for. However I do find it rather junior high to see a grown man driving up and down Main St yesterday afternoon in his convertible hooking the horn and waving the Cardinal Flag. This reminds me of a person driving the streets with a spikehorn buck tied to the hood of his pickup.:rolleyes:
PS: I have hunted for over 35 years and bagged a number of deer.
 
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Again though - in a game that nearly went into triple overtime - I do not understand how anyone could clearly state that one team was clearly better and the other was basically 'just lucky to be there'.

Coghlin did. He clearly stated at the press conference that Norwich was the better team in overtime. There was no doubt about his comments. He said the only chance St. Norbert had was to try and catch Norwich on a mistake.
 
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Coghlin did. He clearly stated at the press conference that Norwich was the better team in overtime. There was no doubt about his comments. He said the only chance St. Norbert had was to try and catch Norwich on a mistake.

Congratulations to both teams on a wonderful final...

One observation - today's game on CBSCS had commercial breaks during regulation which changed the flow of the game dramatically from yesterday's contests...all that rest and the chance to talk strategy - one can only wonder how that might have affected either semi-final on Friday...

With all the spots run during regulation, the two OT's were nonstop action... The fact the ref's lost their whistles in the OT was a bit obvious too...
 
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So....there you are...Speaking of CBSC, their coverage was at best a C-. While they were very knowledgeable about St. Norbert, they didn't seem to have a clue about SNC's opponent. Not sure why, but there was more homerizum for SNC than Ducky ever had for the Cardinals.
 
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Just got back home, and this is my $0.02:


First Period: Norwich came out flying. During the first 12 minutes, I definitely felt like I did during the Elmira quarterfinal, in which 1 goal was all the Cadets needed to blow this thing wide open. But once they got it, that all changed. Real quick after they went ahead 1-0, I felt like they were sitting back on that 1-goal lead. Maybe it was just a surge in the SNC offense, I don't know. St. Norbert owned the second half of the first, but I'll give the period as a whole to Norwich

Second Period: By far the most even period of hockey. Yes, the score says St. Norbert owned the period, but this was a period of entertaining, fast-paced, end-to-end hockey. 14-9, while probably being accurate, doesn't even begin to show how back-and-forth these teams were this period. This is when I first started feeling we were in for a long haul.

Third Period: This Period, despite the SOG count (which I find strangely accurate), was all SNC. If Norwich had the puck in the SNC zone, it was 1 man, maybe 2, usually with 2 or 3 D on him, and not much s going to flourish from that. St. Norbert worked hard, physical, fast, and smart hockey. They just could not get the shot that would go past Klinger. Norwich was probably very lucky to not let one go in regulation, the way this period went.

Overtimes: I'm grouping this 39:28.2 of hockey together, because I felt like it was all the same story. Norwich pressed and pressed, and St. Norbert was so focused on keeping the puck out of the net that they weren't even trying to get anything going offensively.

The Refs were letting EVERYTHING go, even some hits that were 5-minute-worthy. And I was content with that, until they decided to blow one penalty in the 2OT. If you're going to call one, call 'em all. There were definitely many no-calls that deserved to be calls over that one. I enjoyed watching the two teams play it out physically without Ref interference. A few Cadets limped their way back to the bench, and I only saw this happen to one Knight. SNC was definitely the more physical team, but they were (almost seemingly intentionally) play on their heels the whole time. The final result seemed inevitable for most of the OTs.

I also think SNC was outcoached by McShane, which is not a surprise to me. Not only were the two approaches to the OTs different, SNC seemed to have longer shifts, while McShane kept his guys playing short shifts to keep their legs fresh. This and the more physical style of play from SNC probably accounts for why, IMO, St. Norbert just looked more tired late on, while the Cadets had gas enough for that one last charge for the OTG.

Awards: You can ask anybody sitting around me. At the end of the first OT, I called the BJ O'Brien for MOP decision. It was just that obvious. And Klinger was clearly the All-Tourny team goalie, but only because O'Brien was MOP. The All-Tourny team made a lot of sense to me. There were no surprise names or surprise omissions. SNC's Ryd really deserved that. While Norwich was hte faster team, Ryd was by far the fastest player on the ice. The Cadets did not win a single footrace against him. He's no Neil Musselwhite, but he was still faster than anybody else.

Afterthoughts: Congratulations, Norwich! What a way to celebrate 100 years of Hockey, by winning in 100 minutes of Hockey!
 
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Just got home - lots of thoughts running through my head. What a weekend of hockey. Three absolutely stunning games. Great to connect with some folks and meet and talk hockey.

Clearly the final was between the two best teams in the land, and they were well matched. Take two teams with great defenses and great goalies. Mix in two different approaches to how to generate offense, and voila, you've got what ESPN would call an "instant classic." Had the pleasure of sitting right behind Greg Eskedjian's family during the game, and I really enjoyed chatting with them after they introduced themselves, and listening to them suffer through the agony of 39 1/2 minutes of OT.

O'Brien was incredible, but Klinger wasn't shabby either. I do think that SNC's approach of using the defense to pressure the opponent into making a mistake worked well against Oswego, but Norwich handled the pressure very well, and it seemed that in the end Norwich had a lot more left in the tank than SNC did. I was hoping NU could put it away before SNC could get another break. With the goal tending we saw, that game could have gone on for a long time.

Cotnoir is beginning to make a habit of scoring those huge goals.

Wow!
 
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Congratulations to Norwich. What an incredible game by both teams! The Cadets could have a dynasty on their hands!

Just back from Lake Placid

First two statements true

Not sure about Dynasty
 
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First of all, congrads to Norwich for their well deserved title.
As I watched the great game, the thought of how sad it would be for either team to lose this classic contest entered my head. I thought both teams gave everything they had to give.
Norwich carried most, if not all, of the play in the overtimes. How many shots were blocked by both teams, from the efforts of players sacrifricing their bodies?
From a hockey fans perspective I applaud the efforts and all heart from both squads. I tip my hat and say thank you for leaving nothing on the ice.
Best darn game I have seen in quite some time.
 
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