The 2018 midterm elections!

[5mn_Major]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

Name it. Name the one big policy passed by Democrats in the last 38 years. I'd love to hear it.

It doesn't have to be one big policy. Obama and company pulled us out of the crisis. No one policy could have accomplished that.

The alternative would have been a GOP administration 'recovery' and Hoover showed us how that would have worked.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

It doesn't have to be one big policy. Obama and company pulled us out of the crisis. No one policy could have accomplished that.

The alternative would have been a GOP administration 'recovery' and Hoover showed us how that would have worked.

Fail.

Most of the policies put in place to protect us from another 2008 have been overturned by Republicans.

Try again.

 

[Rover]

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Name it. Name the one big policy passed by Democrats in the last 38 years. I'd love to hear it.

ACA, Dodd-Frank, Brady Bill, Motor-Voter Law, CHiP. All are still with us. I'm going to list how, and I challenge you to debunk them in reality and not using Scooby's crystal ball of future events.

1) Medicaid expansion has now reached 33 states. Kids can be covered by parents up to age 26. Ban on pre-existing conditions discrimination.
2) Higher capital and liquidity requirements for financial institutions is the law (don't F with me on this one because I'm on the industry). Margin requirements on derivatives (aka the AIG debacle). Regular stress testing for largest institutions.
3) Brady bill unchanged since law passed. Background check on firearm purchases covered by law still in effect.
4) By federal law states have to offer voter registration for new or renewed licenses or requests for public assistance
5) ChiP program covers approx. 10M kids whose parents made too much for Medicaid. At the time it was the largest expansion of federal health care since LBJ and was just reauthorized for the next 10 years by Congress and Chump.

Your serve, Scoobs.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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ACA, Dodd-Frank, Brady Bill, Motor-Voter Law, CHiP. All are still with us. I'm going to list how, and I challenge you to debunk them in reality and not using Scooby's crystal ball of future events.

1) Medicaid expansion has now reached 33 states. Kids can be covered by parents up to age 26. Ban on pre-existing conditions discrimination.
2) Higher capital and liquidity requirements for financial institutions is the law (don't F with me on this one because I'm on the industry). Margin requirements on derivatives (aka the AIG debacle). Regular stress testing for largest institutions.
3) Brady bill unchanged since law passed. Background check on firearm purchases covered by law still in effect.
4) By federal law states have to offer voter registration for new or renewed licenses or requests for public assistance
5) ChiP program covers approx. 10M kids whose parents made too much for Medicaid. At the time it was the largest expansion of federal health care since LBJ and was just reauthorized for the next 10 years by Congress and Chump.

Your serve, Scoobs.

1) I've already stated the changes to the Obamacare laws that have happened and our under litigation. Everything stated here is part of that law. Yeah, they haven't gotten rid of it yet but they certainly took over government because of it.
2) Sure. Some of Dodd-Frank hasn't been completely dismantled. But enough of it has that were headed for another bubble bursting in housing.
3) Background checks are a complete joke and do not work in their current state. Any idiot can get a gun without a background check.
4) Yet, Voter suppression has been the most successful political movement in the last decade around the voting booth.
5) Can't argue that one.

Pretty pathetic list compared to what the Republicans have accomplished since 1980. The trillions of dollars they've stolen from the Middle Class in that time crushes your entire listing.

 

[SJHovey]

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I think you made your point already. Are you now going to address the actual point of the piece...that Walker has tanked Wisconsin?

Or what Brownback has done to poor Kansas? Or how Doug Burgum has failed to extend oil to actually improve North Dakota?

Actually, my "point" to the extent there was one, was to see how many people I could trigger to defend an absurd statement, and how far I could get them to go to defend it. I would describe the results in this particular instance as modest, at best.

I really don't follow Wisconsin politics or it's economy at all. The same for Kansas, so I can't really speak to what is going on in either state (other than point out absurdities like blaming governors for the spread of animal diseases, for political purposes.)

I do still have some interest in North Dakota, as well as many family members still living there. By and large I don't think the citizens of that state are unhappy with their governor. North Dakota always has been and always will be a rural state largely dependent on agriculture. The oil money has always been a boom or bust proposition, even when I lived there 40 years ago, and most people understand that. The trick for the state is how to handle the boom and bust cycles while trying to establish the necessary infrastructure to address needs during the boom years.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I do still have some interest in North Dakota, as well as many family members still living there. By and large I don't think the citizens of that state are unhappy with their governor. North Dakota always has been and always will be a rural state largely dependent on agriculture. The oil money has always been a boom or bust proposition, even when I lived there 40 years ago, and most people understand that. The trick for the state is how to handle the boom and bust cycles while trying to establish the necessary infrastructure to address needs during the boom years.

So I'm not an expert on North Dakota politics/economics, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the results.

I do know that much of the money generated in North Dakota due to oil not taxed nor put to good use in North Dakota - but rather taken out of the state. I also know that tax cuts from the feds and the state have benefited the rich (of which ND has fewer than its fair share). I also know that corporate headquarters (of which ND also has fewer) are getting massive cuts. I know that the hard working citizens of North Dakota on the other hand are getting handed the bill...and a massive loan to boot. I also know that Trumps unprovoked tariffs on coal and steel are resulting in other countries putting enormous tariffs on ND's agricultural products (which as you said, are the basis of most ND's livelihoods).

Having said all that, I knew that your family, etc. would not be unhappy with the governor or the president regardless of how much damage they do. As I've said, tribal politics.

Suffice it to say the general outcomes for Wisconsin and Kansas have been debacles.

 

[jerphisch]

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Actually, my "point" to the extent there was one, was to see how many people I could trigger to defend an absurd statement, and how far I could get them to go to defend it. I would describe the results in this particular instance as modest, at best.

So, standard Trump supporter then. Don't care how much damage is being done, just want to own the libs at any cost. Go you!

 

[SJHovey]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

Having said all that, I knew that your family, etc. would not be unhappy with the governor or the president regardless of how much damage they do. As I've said, tribal politics.

I don't think you know anything about my family, their politics or for that matter, much at all about the State of North Dakota.

As I said in my post, I don't think most citizens in North Dakota are unhappy with their governor. Burgum is largely viewed as a North Dakota success story. Farm kid who went away to school, became a successful businessman which he was more than happy to organize in the State, cashed in with Microsoft and then turned to state politics. He is considered largely responsible for some nice growth in the Fargo-Moorhead area. And I think that citizens in the state are smart enough to realize that there are a lot of factors outside their control which will affect the agricultural and oil economies.

But, let's not pretend you understand my family, or for that matter, citizens in North Dakota, based upon what you've read on a message board.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

So, standard Trump supporter then. Don't care how much damage is being done, just want to own the libs at any cost. Go you!

No, I just find it amusing from a social experiment standpoint. Take the Wisconsin thing posted earlier.

It would have been real simple, completely honest and probably fair for someone to respond to my initial question about the tweet blaming Walker for CWD by acknowledging that yeah, that's kind of silly, but the statements about the harm he's caused to Wisconsin's economy are fair. That would have ended it. But I knew, and my faith was rewarded, that some posters here wouldn't do that. They'd see the attack on Walker as 100% justified and there is no length that they wouldn't go to defend the entirety of it to the end, regardless of how ridiculous a very small part of it was. But no point can be conceded in this war. I'm always curious how far people are willing to go to die on that hill. Nothing more.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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No, I just find it amusing from a social experiment standpoint. Take the Wisconsin thing posted earlier.

It would have been real simple, completely honest and probably fair for someone to respond to my initial question about the tweet blaming Walker for CWD by acknowledging that yeah, that's kind of silly, but the statements about the harm he's caused to Wisconsin's economy are fair. That would have ended it. But I knew, and my faith was rewarded, that some posters here wouldn't do that. They'd see the attack on Walker as 100% justified and there is no length that they wouldn't go to defend the entirety of it to the end, regardless of how ridiculous a very small part of it was. But no point can be conceded in this war. I'm always curious how far people are willing to go to die on that hill. Nothing more.

You know it's funny cause it all stems from our expectations of Government and what Government does. That number is a public policy number. And it's been going the wrong direction. If that were human ebola for example even you would hang it around the governments neck. But, if it's a few deer, no harm no foul apparently.

We have drastic negligence going on in our World around the care of our planet. And it's getting worse and worse every year. And, until people start doing something about it we aren't going to have a planet left. Greed is a great economic engine but without checks and balances it is also the most destructive force of mankind.

 

[Rover]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

First, Scooby says:

Name it. Name the one big policy passed by Democrats in the last 38 years. I'd love to hear it.

Then, he says...

Pretty pathetic list compared to what the Republicans have accomplished since 1980. The trillions of dollars they've stolen from the Middle Class in that time crushes your entire listing.

Sooo....we're shifting goalposts now?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

First, Scooby says:



Then, he says...



Sooo....we're shifting goalposts now?

I said BIG. They are dwarfed by Trickle Down Economics and the military industrial complex. It's not even close.

 

[Rover]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

I said BIG. They are dwarfed by Trickle Down Economics and the military industrial complex. It's not even close.

Allow me to speculate. You thought sure nobody could come up with an answer to your idiotic assertion. I blew it out of the water so now you're making absurd comparisons to C.Y.A. Is that about right?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

And hell, if want to say BIG for socialism policy, the Medicare Drug Policy passed and signed by the Bush Administration dwarfs your entire list of Democratic Party accomplishments.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

Allow me to speculate. You thought sure nobody could come up with an answer to your idiotic assertion. I blew it out of the water so now you're making absurd comparisons to C.Y.A. Is that about right?

No. I knew there were some out there. I also knew none of them were BIG.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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What have the romans ever done for us?

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

I don't think you know anything about my family, their politics or for that matter, much at all about the State of North Dakota.

As I said in my post, I don't think most citizens in North Dakota are unhappy with their governor. Burgum is largely viewed as a North Dakota success story. Farm kid who went away to school, became a successful businessman which he was more than happy to organize in the State, cashed in with Microsoft and then turned to state politics. He is considered largely responsible for some nice growth in the Fargo-Moorhead area. And I think that citizens in the state are smart enough to realize that there are a lot of factors outside their control which will affect the agricultural and oil economies.

But, let's not pretend you understand my family, or for that matter, citizens in North Dakota, based upon what you've read on a message board.

I know. Its why conservatives hate liberals. Not because I do or don't know your family. But because I do know the citizens of North Dakota.

Let's check that. North Dakota North Dakota state senate? A stunning 80%+ Republican. State house? At over 85% Republican...North Dakota has the most lopsided senate in the country - #1. Don't kid yourself, Burgum's top credential was the R after his name.

 

[jerphisch]

Re: The 2018 midterm elections!

Allow me to speculate. You thought sure nobody could come up with an answer to your idiotic assertion. I blew it out of the water so now you're making absurd comparisons to C.Y.A. Is that about right?

You're both right a little, but Scoobs is way righter. You went straight to the record of who has held the presidency for more years over the conveniently selected last 26 or 30 years whatever it is was to show that Ds are winning, yay! But Scoobs is correctly pointing out that over that time, there aren't many D policies that have been enacted and had any staying power. Sure, you pointed out a couple, but they don't represent what should be expected based on your analysis of who has owned the white house.

 

[trixR4kids]

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It would have been real simple, completely honest and probably fair for someone to respond to my initial question about the tweet blaming Walker for CWD by acknowledging that yeah,

JFC dude nobody claimed that he created CWD in a laboratory to unleash on the deer population of WI. We're saying that by not raising taxes for vital govt. functions like the DNR it's getting worse because every government agency has effectively been neutered by his administration. This isn't hard to understand.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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JFC dude nobody claimed that he created CWD in a laboratory to unleash on the deer population of WI. We're saying that by not raising taxes for vital govt. functions like the DNR it's getting worse because every government agency has effectively been neutered by his administration. This isn't hard to understand.

Of course it's hard to understand. Imagine being brainwashed for decades that the Government was stealing from you every time you paid taxes. Then imagine you sitting at home, and then driving to work every day and not seeing a single thing that your tax dollars do to make your life easier. You put the Interstate Freeway in. You put the stop sign there. You plowed the roads when it snowed. You paid for the school your kids attended. You paid for the vaccines all the other children at the school got to maintain the herd so your children didn't get Whooping Cough or the Measles. You developed those vaccines. The Government didn't do any of that.

Then you realize that Scott Walker is not responsible for anything related to CWD. It's some private guy somewhere. Some Democrat who isn't pulling his weight. You realize that and then you go to the Voting Booth and you pull every lever that says R next to it. You go home, have a beer, and you feel damm good.