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The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

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Socially liberal...fiscally centrist. Problem with the national GOP is that they come into November positioning themselves as targeting fiscal issues (primarily modest government)...but come January its all social conservatism.

At the state level, our DFL (with limited GOP opposition) rocks.
 
5mn_Major said:
Socially liberal...fiscally centrist. Problem with the national GOP is that they come into November positioning themselves as targeting fiscal issues (primarily modest government)...but come January its all social conservatism.

At the state level, our DFL (with limited GOP opposition) rocks.
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Which absolutely blows my mind that the GOP have blown it for two consecutve trips in the power chair. IMO it's time for a leadership change/revolt among the GOP in Congress.
 
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joecct said:
Which absolutely blows my mind that the GOP have blown it for two consecutve trips in the power chair. IMO it's time for a leadership change/revolt among the GOP in Congress.
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It was intentional. What Bilderberg wants, Bilderberg gets.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Why do so many hate Itch and Boner? Here's some insight. http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/revealed-inside-look-at-why-gop-wont-fight-obama/
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In all honesty, despite the source, that is a good article.

The underlying assumption is, however, bonkers. The radical fringe of the right, which is truly out there -- a fringe of a fringe -- wildly overestimates the popularity of its positions in the larger electorate. In an on-cycle election the biggest risk the Republicans face is appearing too extremist. The base is going to be motivated and turn out no matter what -- they have been primed by 20 years of anti-Hillary propaganda on every Echo Chamber media outlet. The GOP nominee will beat his chest about the existential threat of another Clinton presidency, and the Republican foot-soldiers will fall into line.

But meanwhile, the rest of the country doubts the GOP has the maturity to govern, and stunts like shutting down the government underline the narrative that the Republican Party has been taken over by wackos. Articles like this circulating among the far right give me hope that once again the GOP will overplay its hand.
 
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Kepler said:
In all honesty, despite the source, that is a good article.

The underlying assumption is, however, bonkers. The radical fringe of the right, which is truly out there -- a fringe of a fringe -- wildly overestimates the popularity of its positions in the larger electorate. In an on-cycle election the biggest risk the Republicans face is appearing too extremist. The base is going to be motivated and turn out no matter what -- they have been primed by 20 years of anti-Hillary propaganda on every Echo Chamber media outlet. The GOP nominee will beat his chest about the existential threat of another Clinton presidency, and the Republican foot-soldiers will fall into line.

But meanwhile, the rest of the country doubts the GOP has the maturity to govern, and stunts like shutting down the government underline the narrative that the Republican Party has been taken over by wackos. Articles like this circulating among the far right give me hope that once again the GOP will overplay its hand.
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You could say the same thing about Obummer, in that he is extremist left. In some cases, extremity is a good thing, because it gives you a motivated base from which to build. The GOP's issue in the last few elections has been that they've been pandering to the middle too much and trying to "look good" in order to keep their job that they end up looking like "flip floppers" and essentially abandoning their base. Although Trump's showing an extreme position, he's getting so much support because he is providing this base that the right so desperately needs. I still think Trump's a trojan horse because of his financial support for the Clintons, though.

What caused the Taxed Enough Already party to be successful? Basic principles that motivated the base to act. What caused the Taxed Enough Already party to not be successful? The GOP group trying to mould said established base of the party into their fascist image. Meanwhile, the Democrat party moulded themselves to follow the base established by the Marxists, showing an established basis and leadership, where the people obviously gravitated.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You could say the same thing about Obummer, in that he is extremist left.

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Meanwhile, the Democrat party moulded themselves to follow the base established by the Marxists, showing an established basis and leadership, where the people obviously gravitated.
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Are you currently under the care of a physician?
 
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Kepler said:
Are you currently under the care of a physician?
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No he just has no idea who Marx is or what he stood for ;)

On another note...tick tock tick tock on Jade Helm there Flaggy any updates?
 
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Ever notice how reading Flagg's stuff makes you feel rock-solid sane? Even if you probably aren't.
 
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joecct said:
Anyone think the 115th will be any better?
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I do. For one thing, I'm hopeful the Dems can take back the Senate, which would limit the amount of damage Cruz' Flying Circus can inflict. But I also think GOP Members won't get a pass from Republican voters on doing nothing but holding their breath til the country turns blue. Paradoxically, whereas Obama bent over backwards the first 2 years to be conciliatory he earned nothing but mindless opposition, Hillary won't be conciliatory at all but there will be demands for Republicans to cut deals from time to time.
 
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burd said:
Ever notice how reading Flagg's stuff makes you feel rock-solid sane? Even if you probably aren't.
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Actually, reading his conspiratorial crap justifies my opinion that I am the smartest guy in the room. :D
 
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burd said:
Ever notice how reading Flagg's stuff makes you feel rock-solid sane? Even if you probably aren't.
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It's kind of like hanging out with really fat friends to make you feel skinny.
 
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joecct said:
Anyone think the 115th will be any better?
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Not me, but when it comes to politics I have become the eternal pessimist. I believe it will continue to get worse and worse. At some point perhaps enough people will realize that most of what government accomplishes now is largely inertial and they are no longer coming together for the nation's well being, and truly vote for change. For the vast majority of the 535 people in the House and Senate, the overriding concern (well, after raising money) is to oppose the other side.

It starts with our own elected representatives, each and every one of us. Why does congress continually get rated lower than used car salesmen and Comcast as far as approval ratings, yet 90% or more are reelected every 2 years? You'd think when the approval rating hovers in the high single digits, we'd see more turnover. But what does everybody say? "Well congress sucks, but MY guy isn't that bad." I have news for you. Your guy IS that bad. Might be the worst one of them all in fact.

I highly recommend the book It's Even Worse Than It Looks, published by Basic Books and written by Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein. Released in 2012, I believe little has changed 3 years later. Of course many on the right condemned the book because it lays more of the blame on the current political mess we are in on the Republican party, so they claim it is flawed and unbalanced. That is an utter crap filled claim. I've read it twice and there is no bias, only an accurate telling of how we came to be in the current shape we are in politically. Our only hope, as the authors point out in their book, is for both houses of congress and the White House to be led by members of the same party (and for the senate at least 60 and preferably many more). Only then will they work together. And if in 4 years they can't get it done, get rid of them and switch sides.

Can anyone imagine what kind of a world we'd be living in if in the 1970s every Democrat would have accused Nixon of everything just short of treason for seeking common ground with China (remember we hated them so much then we still called them RED China) and the Soviet Union? And those two nations had the capability of posing an actual threat to our very existence! Yet our political gridlock today has left us in just such a state. Hell, our state, local and federal governments could not work together to provide for the people suffering in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and we knew exactly where and when it would hit days in advance. God help us if in the next year and a half if something truly horrible does happen, because we no longer have the political wherewithal to function.
 
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